What has more of effect on their respective programs?...

[dawgstudent]

For South Carolina: Losing to USM

or

For USM: Beating South Carolina

Discuss.

<span style="font-style: italic;">Topic stolen from Out of Bounds</span>

 

[dawgstudent]

For South Carolina: Losing to USM

or

For USM: Beating South Carolina

Discuss.

<span style="font-style: italic;">Topic stolen from Out of Bounds</span>

 

[thatsbaseball]

nm

 

[jackstefano]

not such a huge deal for SC overall. SC has no football tradition. A win for Southern would obviously be a big deal just by virtue of the fact that they would have beaten an SEC team.

 

[coursesuper]

with MSU, UM, Bammer, FSU and so on but for SC it would affect their program. I would be the beginning of the end for the ole ball coach which will be an effect on the program for sure. Loosing the opener against a team that got hammerd by MTSU to end last season will not sit well with the faithfull in Columbia.

 

[rebelrouseri]

at SC and the fans know it and expect improvement. If they don't win 8, there will probably be serious rumblings. Plus they have a tough schedule so dropping one to CUSA would really hurt (they draw AU, Bama, and Ark from the west...ouch).

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[Sutterkane]

Consecutive, national championship winning coaches, with a fanbase that turns out for every game so you know they've got money and support and they still can't get to Atlanta.

In the mid-2000s they should've made it there while Florida was busy with Zook and Fat Phil cared more about the number of donuts he had in the morning. Both of those teams were still good, but that was SC's shot.

 

[Dollabillz]

Big, loyal fanbase with money and support is a coach's dream. Not to mention recruiting proximity, in their own state and Georgia.

South Carolina has been too busy hiring bums and retreads that are past their prime. They need to go another direction. Holtz did OK but he was a tired old man. Spurrier is more worried about playing golf than coaching football.

 

[Sutterkane]

Haven't they said this about Spurrier's SC teams a couple times already?

I agree though this is arguably the best chance they've had ever.

UT is completely rebuilding, Vandy and UK are changing coaches, UGA appears ripe to be taken down and they usually play them well anyway, and Florida seems very human after last year taking a step back and Tebow now gone.

 

[Sutterkane]

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[maroonmania]

with a Mullen-type coach than they have been with a semi-retired Holtz and now a semi-retired Spurrier. I mean these guys just aren't (or weren't) the same coaches when SC got them that they had been 10 to 20 years earlier. It would almost be like if JWS just started coaching at MSU in 2000. He just wasn't quite the same coach anymore.

 

[Dollabillz]

Holtz and Spurrier were old and in fact WERE retreads. Didn't have the same fire they used to. Holtz's success was short lived, and Spurrier hasn't done anything the other two bums didn't do, and we KNOW he's a good coach. So yeah they both regressed.

Next.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Think about that. There is obviously a reason for that.

I think South Carolina/Clemson is a lot like Ole Miss/MSU. The jobs aren't easy, because the in-state talent isn't stacked, and you have to go out of state to supplement.

Clemson has had more success in part because they cheated their butts off under Danny Ford and partly because they now play in a weaker conference, but overall neither program is great or ever has been.

The recruiting proximity to Georgia is good to note, but it's still not a great job, never has been.

 

[rebelrouseri]

asdf

 

[LTblows]

that Clemson's current fan support, which is absolutely tremendous, still stems from the national title that they won thirty years ago. They have off campus tailgating spots here that people purchase for $30,000 and up. They have deeds and everything. It's wild.

 

[thatsbaseball]

more at Ole Miss or State in the last several years than he has at SoCar ? For some reason I just see SoCar with a very limited upside in football. Can`t put my finger on it though.

 

[patdog]

This is the best team Spurrier has had...at SC and the fans know it and expect improvement.

This is the same team Spurrier has always had at South Carolina. A 7-5 type team.

BTW, I approve of your signature picture.

 

[Dollabillz]

The reason Ole Miss and State suck is because they have small fanbases therefore less money. Not to mention they are the most unloyal fanbases in the country. The recruiting crap you spew is somewhat right, but it's not like we're not right in the middle of a pretty fertile recruiting area.

 

[bsp34]

definately SC losing....they have a lot of excitement about this season.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I originally posted that they had never had a 10 win season. Then I looked it up to find that they did have one. I thought they had never had one. They had one 10 win season.

And yes our small fanbases and alumni bases hurt us when it comes to budget for facilities and coaching salaries, but I think the recruiting base hurts us more. Mississippi produces less talent than Louisiana in terms of gross numbers, and we have two major programs in the state, not one, like Louisiana.

We have to go out of state for talent. The major programs in the SEC all have recruiting base in common.

Florida, Georgia, and LSU are in the most talent-rich states in the SEC. The exceptions are Alabama, Auburn, and UT. Alabama has recruited off tradition...and sometimes just with the deepest pockets. Auburn has been solid based on their ability to recruit Georgia as if it's in-state. And UT has had its success largely recruiting nationally off its tradition.

Kentucky and Arkansas are the two least talented states in the SEC. Mississippi and South Carolina aren't bad states for talent, but they neither is big enough for two programs, which each state has. And Vandy drags up the rear because they're an academic school in a talent-weak state. The other factors are important, but I think recruiting base is the biggest.

There is a reason Florida, FSU, and Miami all had lackluster programs that turned into national powers. It's because their state experienced a population boom and a talent boom.

 

[muscleshoalssound]

I originally posted that they had never had a 10 win season. Then I looked it up to find that they did have one. I thought they had never had one. They had one 10 win season.

And yes our small fanbases and alumni bases hurt us when it comes to budget for facilities and coaching salaries, but I think the recruiting base hurts us more. Mississippi produces less talent than Louisiana in terms of gross numbers, and we have two major programs in the state, not one, like Louisiana.

We have to go out of state for talent. The major programs in the SEC all have recruiting base in common.

Florida, Georgia, and <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">LSU</font> are in the most talent-rich states in the SEC. The exceptions are Alabama, Auburn, and UT. Alabama has recruited off tradition...and sometimes just with the deepest pockets. Auburn has been solid based on their ability to recruit Georgia as if it's in-state. And UT has had its success largely recruiting nationally off its tradition.

Kentucky and Arkansas are the two least talented states in the SEC. Mississippi and South Carolina aren't bad states for talent, but they neither is big enough for two programs, which each state has. And Vandy drags up the rear because they're an academic school in a talent-weak state. The other factors are important, but I think recruiting base is the biggest.

There is a reason Florida, FSU, and Miami all had lackluster programs that turned into national powers. It's because their state experienced a population boom and a talent boom.

I know what you mean, I'm just joking. I do agree with most of what you said.

 

[paindonthurt_]

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[Dollabillz]

Arkansas has to work harder to get players, and MSU/OM have to work harder to attract the ones they have around them. But if you're asking which job I'd prefer out of the Carolina ones and the Mississippi ones, it's Carolina because the recrootin' is about the same but they have bigger and better fanbases/money/etc.

If you're a coach, I guess it depends on what you're looking for. Petrino obviously is good enough to develop players, we have to take chances on a coach but he'll likely have better players to work with. And it's easier to woo the instate guys. So it's a trade-off. Florida has both, really not fair if you think about it. MSU wouldn't have gotten Fletcher Cox or Anthony Dixon if they'd grown up in Alabama. That's obvious.