What is the most important position to recruit?

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

1999 was also the year Matt Wyatt had to keep coming in the game to bail out the Great Wayne Madkin so we could win

This is how you know you are wrong. You start ad hominem arguments. Yes we had good defenses. Yes Wyatt bailed Madkin out once or twice (which has no bearing on Madkin's stats as our all-time passing leader). Bottom line: The three best QB's we've had have produced our three best years. There's no debating it. QB is more important for winning than anything else.

PS - Lo and behold, we're 5-0 this year with a QB who's on pace to set school records. Go figure!

 

[johnson86-1]

Using Madkin in support of your argument is a fail.

That anyone would argue that Quarterback is not THE preeminent need on every football team is beyond idiocy. Just look at our own 17ing history...

What are MSU's best seasons winning percentage-wise?
1999 (10-2)
1980 (9-3)
1974 (9-3)

Who was our Quarterback?
1999: Wayne Madkin, the school's All-Time leader in passing yardage
1980: John Bond, regarded by many as our best QB ever
1974: Rocky Felker, also considered one of our best quarterbacks ever.

Do you think that's a 17ing coincidence? Case 17ing closed.

I love Madkin, but he's an example that argues against your position, as he's a great example of a mediocre qb being compensated for by strengths at other positions.

But again, if you're comparing a qb to a single O-linemane or D-lineman, it's a no-brainer that a qb is more important. But if you're talking about an entire position group, it becomes a close call.

 

[Coach34]

This is how you know you are wrong. You start ad hominem arguments. Yes we had good defenses. Yes Wyatt bailed Madkin out once or twice (which has no bearing on Madkin's stats as our all-time passing leader). Bottom line: The three best QB's we've had have produced our three best years. There's no debating it. QB is more important for winning than anything else.

PS - Lo and behold, we're 5-0 this year with a QB who's on pace to set school records. Go figure!

Amazingly those years we also had the school's best defenses. And I'd put Don Smith ahead of John Bond. We won in 99 and 80 because of D-E-F-E-N-S-E.

Madkin has the career numbers because he started for 4 years- he only has the 8th best season in school history.

1. Dave Marlar 1978- 6-5 record
2. Don Smith- 1985- 5-6
3. Derrick Taite 1995-3-8
4. Kevin Fant- 2003- 2-10
5. Todd Jordan 1993- 4-5-2

The 5 best seasons in our history for QB's- only 1 winning record- BOOM mf'er BOOM

We're also 5-0 because we are 11th in the country in scoring D-E-F-E-N-S-E...amazing how defense always seem to be right there with every season you mention.

 

[MSUDawg4Life]

SMH

It's amazing how people can watch a sport all of their lives and not understand it. Know absolutely nothing about it.

 

[gravedigger]

Chicken 17 ing dinner

 

[johnson86-1]

This is how you know you are wrong. You start ad hominem arguments. Yes we had good defenses. Yes Wyatt bailed Madkin out once or twice (which has no bearing on Madkin's stats as our all-time passing leader). Bottom line: The three best QB's we've had have produced our three best years. There's no debating it. QB is more important for winning than anything else.

PS - Lo and behold, we're 5-0 this year with a QB who's on pace to set school records. Go figure!

We have a bad history at qb, but not so bad that Madkin is our third best qb.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Amazingly those years we also had the school's best defenses. And I'd put Don Smith ahead of John Bond. We won in 99 and 80 because of D-E-F-E-N-S-E.

Madkin has the career numbers because he started for 4 years- he only has the 8th best season in school history.

1. Dave Marlar 1978- 6-5 record
2. Don Smith- 1985- 5-6
3. Derrick Taite 1995-3-8
4. Kevin Fant- 2003- 2-10
5. Todd Jordan 1993- 4-5-2

The 5 best seasons in our history for QB's- only 1 winning record- BOOM mf'er BOOM

We're also 5-0 because we are 11th in the country in scoring D-E-F-E-N-S-E...amazing how defense always seem to be right there with every season you mention.

This is laughable, as are all your arguments. You're the Joe 17ing Biden of this board. Boom m'fer Boom? Really? Check with your husband before you post again. He can fill you in on how men talk.

You are the only MSU fan (I use that term liberally because you're really just a fan of your own 17ing voice) who thinks those are the five best QBs we've had. Literally the only 17ing one. In some order it would have to be: Bond, Madkin, Felker, Smith, and MAYBE Fant or Robinson.

I'm guessing in your haphazard attempt to get statistical you just looked up the best passing yardage totals and didn't take TD/INT ratio into account, or rushing yards by the QB for that matter. Typical.

If I had the time or the 17ing inclination I could list site after site where experts (real ones, not jackoffs like you) say that QB is the most important position in ALL of 17ing SPORTS! But I'm sure the guy who swore Dak was going to overtake Russell by October knows more than 1,000's of professional football writers.

 

[Coach34]

No doubt- most of what you have said is extremely laughable

the NFL is all about the QB- not college football

College football is about the OL and the DL

Last season's NC game had the #! defense against the #2 defense in the country- offenses were ranked #31 and #86

2010 and Cam Newton was an exception- Cam Newton's come along once a generation

2009 had the #2 defense playing the #3 defense- offenses were #29 and #42

2008 Florida won it with the nation's #4 defense vs Oklahoma and their awesome offense- DL, the most important position in college football, controlled Oklahoma. Didnt Oklahoma have a bigtime QB that night??? Florida's DL > Sam Bradford and his record setting ***. #1 pick to the NFL and NFL Rookie of the Year- but he couldnt handle Florida's DL. The DL is what separates the SEC from everybody else. And it's what makes OL recruiting more important than your QB.

I could go on and and on- either you will get it or you wont.

 

[patdog]

the NFL is all about the QB- not college football

College football is about the OL and the DL

THIS. If this was the NFL, he's right. QB is the most important position. But college football is a completely different game. He's arguing apples to oranges. In college, the game is won on the lines.

 

[johnson86-1]

You're killing yourself here.

You are the only MSU fan (I use that term liberally because you're really just a fan of your own 17ing voice) who thinks those are the five best QBs we've had. Literally the only 17ing one. In some order it would have to be: Bond, Madkin, Felker, Smith, and MAYBE Fant or Robinson.

I'm guessing in your haphazard attempt to get statistical you just looked up the best passing yardage totals and didn't take TD/INT ratio into account, or rushing yards by the QB for that matter. Typical.

If Madkin is definitely on the list, then so is Wyatt. Hell, so is Relf and so is Russell (even if he never played another down). You're looking at win-loss record and backing into who you think was the best qb. The reality is the rest of the team plays a huge factor in the win loss record. I'm a fan of both, but where ever Madkin and Wyatt fall on the list of all-time qb's at MSU, you should stop compiling the list before you get there, because at that point, you can basically can just lump everybody not named mini-me in the group together.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Please just scroll up and re-read the OP.

Quarterback is a position. Left Tackle is a position. Strong Safety is a position. Defense is not a position. Defense is ELEVEN 17ing positions.

You are dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Coach34]

Please just scroll up and re-read the OP.

Quarterback is a position. Left Tackle is a position. Strong Safety is a position. Defense is not a position. Defense is ELEVEN 17ing positions.

You are dumber than a bag of hammers.

I can explain it to you, but I cant understand it for you

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Cam Newton and Auburn disagree.

QB Cam Newton was the reason Auburn won the national championship. Take him off that team, and you have to wonder if they'd be .500

 

[Big Sheep81]

"Left tackle"---signed Michael Oher

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[Coach34]

QB Cam Newton was the reason Auburn won the national championship. Take him off that team, and you have to wonder if they'd be .500

There arent 4-5 Cam Newton's there to recruit every season. He is a once every 20 years type of player. There are always exceptions to the rule. The best teams in college football have DE's and DT's that are 1st round draft picks

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

Jevan Snead would actually be signing that one**

bradleysowell

 

[HailState39110]

Defensive End

look at the past Top recruits in the country the past few years - Robert Nkemdiche, Jadaveon Clownney, Ronald Powell, etc. All play D-End. Gotta have a pass rush and these guys are getting shown more love than any other position IMO

 

[Todd4State]

This is a good discussion

But I think the thing that cookie is not getting here is that while yes, it's ideal to have a good QB, it's not totally necessary either. This question isn't what do you have to have to win- it's how would you build your team.

Yes, there are many examples of good teams having a good year with average or worse QB's- but I will say this- if LSU had, say Robert Griffin III at QB, they go from good to dominant. And probably win the NC last year. I just have this image of Jordan Jefferson throwing a shuffle pass to the Alabama LB running through my head while I'm typing this.

But if you have an average or worse QB, you better have a great o-line to cover them- having an average makes makes being stronger on the lines all that more important.

By the same token- those guys that cookie mentioned- if they had better o-lines and d-lines those Purdue's probably go from pretty good to National champ contenders.