Not saying I necessarily believe it but Shurburtt at TBS says his sources say the buyout is no issue for our administration and isn't holding us back from firing him. And it's paid out over the next 5 years or so.
What possible justification is there keeping Beamer at this point?
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Invalid argument. We are not shopping for the same caliber of coach that most of those programs are shopping.
He's on the awareness level of Michael Scott lol. It really comes out during losses.
The problem is not just that Beamer has made South Carolina a national laughingstock over our 2nd half meltdown. It's compounded by the fact that he is in his 5th season here.
And look where that has gotten yall
Clemsoning just became Carolinaing
By your 5th season, a program should be improving. I could see Shane getting relieved. He's had his chance.
Yep, Will and Sparky had more SEC wins than Shane in year 5 and got canned.
There's not one positive thing about the state of the program right now.
We need to dispel the myth that 5 years represents some sort of "revolving door".
When this discussion came up around the Muschamp firing, the average tenure was around 4 years. (To be honest, i couldn't find the stat with a 30 second search this time)
Keeping a coach for 5 years in actually above average.
You can’t fire him unless you fire our new idiot AD that gave him an extension with a raise and increased buyout less than 10 months ago.
We are bad because we are stupid. Our administration keeps making bonehead decisions and the fans just say that is Carolina Football.
We are bad because we are stupid. Our administration keeps making bonehead decisions and the fans just say that is Carolina Football.
I'm not advocating one way or the other - I almost don't care (which may be a bad sign) - but when people talk about the cost of a buyout, they often overlook the costs of keeping a coach. If we're having this same conversation a year from now, we will have paid him another $8.15m and will still owe him a bouyout of what, $22.5m? I don't know all the details of the contract, so that number may be incorrect, but my point is there will still be a substantial buyout.
What will the off-season financials look like for the program if Beamer is retained? Is it going to be easy to convince boosters to give big to NIL collectives? With the stadium construction project kicking off, how sure are we that all of those relocated long-time season ticket holders are going to re-up for another season in worse seats? What are the pre-orders for those premium seats going to look like?
The new AD just took over in December. Buyout was still Tanner’s & BoT.
Second paragraph 100%
What is the enthusiasm going to be going into next season with Beamer back as coach? In case anyone hasn't looked, we don't get any favors on the schedule. I watched the least amount of our football this year than I ever have (since games have been widely available). I will have even less interest next year.
Which is the reality: In year 5 of a coach making big $$, he misses out on bowl eligibility (.500) by a few plays.
Just seems the more $$ you make, the greater the expectations should be.
And in year 5, the HC goes 1-7 in the SEC. How do you dig your way out of that?
Beamer went 9-3 last year; he has shown that he can do the job. He is a strong recruiter- bringing in several 5 star recruits from out of state markets.He is a great leader/motivator/role model for young people.
He likely will have two starting NFL quarterbacks
(Rattler & Sellers) - something Spurrier never
achieved-at Carolina.
And then there is the $32 million buyout.
So fire Beamer, pay buyout, and what -repeat
the cycle every 4-5 years and build up increasing
buyout debt over the years. That's an insane policy-bordering on obscene. Carolina does not have billionaires to fund this this kind of nonsense.
In the new SEC with the wealthy powerhouses Texas,Oklahoma - Carolina will always be behind the curve in the amount of money available.
How about we keep Beamer, and tweak the current model:
Let Donati put some 'skin' in the game:
If he is as good as some say he is- then
let him help Beamer fix the 'problem':
Start with the offensive coordinator position;
He and Beamer should sit down and find a good
one.
Longer term Donati needs to look at revising
the current system - paying more of the money
upfront in salaries and bonuses -putting more money into player salaries, assistant coaches and less into the head coach position- possibly
eliminating buyouts.
He likely will have two starting NFL quarterbacks
(Rattler & Sellers) - something Spurrier never
achieved-at Carolina.
And then there is the $32 million buyout.
So fire Beamer, pay buyout, and what -repeat
the cycle every 4-5 years and build up increasing
buyout debt over the years. That's an insane policy-bordering on obscene. Carolina does not have billionaires to fund this this kind of nonsense.
In the new SEC with the wealthy powerhouses Texas,Oklahoma - Carolina will always be behind the curve in the amount of money available.
How about we keep Beamer, and tweak the current model:
Let Donati put some 'skin' in the game:
If he is as good as some say he is- then
let him help Beamer fix the 'problem':
Start with the offensive coordinator position;
He and Beamer should sit down and find a good
one.
Longer term Donati needs to look at revising
the current system - paying more of the money
upfront in salaries and bonuses -putting more money into player salaries, assistant coaches and less into the head coach position- possibly
eliminating buyouts.
What you need to do and I trust Donati is doing is, measuring Beamer against his peers.
Josh Heupel was hired the same year that Beamer was. Heupel's records are:
7-6
11-2
9-4
10-3
7-3
Eli Drinkwitz from Year 4 at his time in Missouri to current:
11-2
10-3
7-3 thus far
Lane Kiffin from Year 4 at his time at Ole Miss to current:
11-2
10-3
10-1 thus far
Shane Beamer, hired the same year as Heupel:
7-6
8-5
5-7
9-4 (year 4)
3-7 thus far
Beamer's 5th year SEC record is the worst in 10 years. He is not keeping up with his peers. His peers by their 4th years not only had their programs in a respectable place, BUT THEY KEPT IT GOING.
Someone named Joseph Griffin, who owns "The Carolina View" thinks Beamer will get one more year. Griffin says Beamer must make the playoffs next year "or bust"'.
I really, really don't believe Carolina will make the playoffs next year. Thus, going by Griffin's measuring stick, Beamer will be fired after next season. My view is that, comparing Beamer to his peers, he is not Head Coach material. Thus, he will be fired next year. But, I have the same perspective as the late Secretary Of State Henry Kissinger had, who once said:
"Whatever must happen ultimately should happen immediately".
Consequently, I think Beamer should be fired in 2 weeks. But, I don't always get what I want.
Josh Heupel was hired the same year that Beamer was. Heupel's records are:
7-6
11-2
9-4
10-3
7-3
Eli Drinkwitz from Year 4 at his time in Missouri to current:
11-2
10-3
7-3 thus far
Lane Kiffin from Year 4 at his time at Ole Miss to current:
11-2
10-3
10-1 thus far
Shane Beamer, hired the same year as Heupel:
7-6
8-5
5-7
9-4 (year 4)
3-7 thus far
Beamer's 5th year SEC record is the worst in 10 years. He is not keeping up with his peers. His peers by their 4th years not only had their programs in a respectable place, BUT THEY KEPT IT GOING.
Someone named Joseph Griffin, who owns "The Carolina View" thinks Beamer will get one more year. Griffin says Beamer must make the playoffs next year "or bust"'.
I really, really don't believe Carolina will make the playoffs next year. Thus, going by Griffin's measuring stick, Beamer will be fired after next season. My view is that, comparing Beamer to his peers, he is not Head Coach material. Thus, he will be fired next year. But, I have the same perspective as the late Secretary Of State Henry Kissinger had, who once said:
"Whatever must happen ultimately should happen immediately".
Consequently, I think Beamer should be fired in 2 weeks. But, I don't always get what I want.
The justification is that firing him right now and hiring whoever we can find would be a move out of desperation. The logical thing is to keep him and see how the players react in the offseason. If the players are all still with him then so am I. If a solid or home-run hire shows interest or becomes available then a move can be made from a position of strength. There is probably nothing to be gained from firing him right now and hiring Joe blow.
Beamer does not have the coaching skills to correct flaws on any team. If he did, someone would have made him an OC or DC in his career. Thus, he has to depend on the people he hires as staff. Beamer has repeatedly demonstrated poor judgment in coaching hires. The bottom line is that Beamer is over his head. Keeping him on is simply another wasted year.
lol I get it but at least continuing forward with Beamer provides stability for now. There are no great options out there. There are too many good players on the roster and commitments that are still really damn good.
Beamer has got to know it's over. Maybe pay him $8 mil for one year as an "analyst" or something while we move on.
Not that much. I think the buyout goes down each January.
But to your point, we are keeping a lameduck coach just to give him 1 more year. If we see a mass exodus through the portal he will have no chance and we will be having this discussion this time next year. It is almost unfair to Beamer.
If there’s a mass exodus in the portal then fire him then.