What Stansbury needs/has to do..................

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

1. Send Kodi home and tell him that his college career is over. Make an example of him for Sidney to see.
2. Tell Ravern that if he so much as opens his mouth or loafs on defense one more time then his is over too.
3. Tell Sidney that his teammate was right for jumping his *** and this is the fork in the road for him. He can go out like Kodi just didor he can go out like Erick Dampier. It is all up to him. It is still a bit early to be kicking him off just yet. Rhodes was suspended several times before getting his crap together too.
4. Pray that Bost has matured and can get this team on the same page.
5. Stansbury needs to get his *** off that bench and coach every game like it is Kentucky. If he can't do that then he can't ask it of his players.

At this point for Stansbury, I don't think the winning or losing is quite as important as HOW we win or lose. I would rather watch Luczak, Beckham, Steele, Price, and Bolen bust their *** for the remainder of the season than see a bunch of lazy malcontents out there losing games they should win.

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

1. Send Kodi home and tell him that his college career is over. Make an example of him for Sidney to see.
2. Tell Ravern that if he so much as opens his mouth or loafs on defense one more time then his is over too.
3. Tell Sidney that his teammate was right for jumping his *** and this is the fork in the road for him. He can go out like Kodi just didor he can go out like Erick Dampier. It is all up to him. It is still a bit early to be kicking him off just yet. Rhodes was suspended several times before getting his crap together too.
4. Pray that Bost has matured and can get this team on the same page.
5. Stansbury needs to get his *** off that bench and coach every game like it is Kentucky. If he can't do that then he can't ask it of his players.

At this point for Stansbury, I don't think the winning or losing is quite as important as HOW we win or lose. I would rather watch Luczak, Beckham, Steele, Price, and Bolen bust their *** for the remainder of the season than see a bunch of lazy malcontents out there losing games they should win.

patdog · Dec 22, 2010

Hanmudog said:
I would rather watch Luczak, Beckham, Steele, Price, and Bolen bust their *** for the remainder of the season than see a bunch of lazy malcontents out there losing games they should win.

Seriously, nobody wants it to come to that point, but if that's what it takes for Stans to get control of this team, then long-term that's whathe needs to do. This season is shot to hell already anyway. But if Stans brings in the new recruits into the current atmosphere on this team, he's probably going to lose them too just like he has this team.

Shmuley · Dec 22, 2010

Verne Lundquist to remove cam newton's genitalia from his mouth. He's been sucking the dick of that year's hottest football star every year for 15 years. He can't help himself. He knows no other way. It's impossible for him to change.

Bury is a recruiter. It's what he does best. He fills up a roster with some athletes (not basketball players, mind you. Athletes) and RPI guys. He gets some guys that he probably shouldn't. He likes to recruit. He likes the chase, the hunt. He's very competitive on the recruiting trail. He's pretty damn good at it.

But he's not a coach. He doesn't have a f'n clue how to create a team out of the athletes and RPIs he recruits. He isn't really interested in coaching, even though he takes a stab at it and makes a show of it. He wants to recruit. He'd rather recruit. So, when the inevitable internal shitstorm hits the fan because no one is tending to the "team," he says F it and heads off recruiting.

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

I was just naming random end of the bench players. Benock can stay.

I agree with you though. We have got to change the entire atmosphere around the program. If it means getting rid of some of the best players then so be it. We are not going to win with them anyway. Fortunately, Ravern and Kodi are seniors but Sidney needs to see a show of discipline if he plans on coming back next year. Bost too for that matter.

DowntownDawg · Dec 22, 2010

<blockquote style="text-decoration: line-through;">1. Send Kodi home and tell him that his college career is over. Make an example of him for Sidney to see.
2. Tell Ravern that if he so much as opens his mouth or loafs on defense one more time then his is over too.
3.
Tell Sidney that his teammate was right for jumping his *** and this is
the fork in the road for him. He can go out like Kodi just didor he
can go out like Erick Dampier. It is all up to him. It is still a bit
early to be kicking him off just yet. Rhodes was suspended several
times before getting his crap together too.
4. Pray that Bost has matured and can get this team on the same page.
5.
Stansbury needs to get his *** off that bench and coach every game like
it is Kentucky. If he can't do that then he can't ask it of his
players.

At this point for Stansbury, I don't think the winning
or losing is quite as important as HOW we win or lose. I would rather
watch Luczak, Beckham, Steele, Price, and Bolen bust their *** for the
remainder of the season than see a bunch of lazy malcontents out there
losing games they should win.[/quote]Resign immediately. We've got a process of cleaning this thing that will involve attrition and struggling on the court. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

Resigning is not going to fix all that is wrong. Keeping a bunch of malcontents while getting rid of the coach in midseason is not sending a very good message to incoming recruits. That would be like telling them that it is OK to act an *** at MSU and thatwe will fire the coach if he makes you practice too much.
I would be OK will Stansbury resigning at the end of the season AFTER cleaning house so the next coach has a clean slate to work with.

fishwater99 · Dec 22, 2010

1. Tell Stans he can resign now and or at the end of the season, it's his choice.
2. Hire someone who can actually coach a basketball team and control their players.
3. Make sure that our 3 Big Time recruits come to STATE next year.

I know this is killing you that your mentor, Stans, is finally falling flat on his face. Wait until after the beatdown we receive today form WSU.

DowntownDawg · Dec 22, 2010

....because Stansbury, after more than a decade of the SOS, is certainly not at all capable of fixing anything. I honestly don't know if a midseason coaching change is the right move, but if he gets another year, we are absolutely wasting our time and don't care about basketball.

Coach34 · Dec 22, 2010

The Recruiter is not going to be fired this season. Thats a fact. He has too much casino credit from his 20 years on campus. The Ol Boy network is going to give him another year to get it straight. Come March, we will have only 2 NCAA's in the last 6 years- that would be enough for me, especially with the turmoil associated with the program. And I'm sure many, many others too.

What I fear and it makes me wake up screaming at night is he completely botches this season- then makes a damn NIT Final Four next year- and Strick and The Boys say he deserves 2013 to see if he can get them back in the Tourney- keeping our program in Purgatory for another 3-4 years

We, as fans, need to make our opinion known just like we did with Crooms. If they continue to flop- stop going to games. Thats gets the administrations attention more than anything.

We also need Cohen to turn things around a good bit, and then Mullen to pull another NYD bowl. Success in the other sports will help turn up the heat as well.

8dog · Dec 22, 2010

and unless we totally shafted him on the buyout (which is doubtful if the Clemson thing was legit), we cannot afford to buy him out right now while also looking for millions for Mullen and Co. and facilities improvements.

Rick is here to stay for a while I would imagine.

Coach34 · Dec 22, 2010

excitement for a new coach to turn things around will bring in more money. I'd expect some dropoff in funds after this season ends, and should 2012 not end with some real excitement- even more then.

Wonder how much the buyout would be with 2 years left on the contract?

thunderclap · Dec 22, 2010

this team has no leaders, has no chemistry and no chance of developing any, and a head coach who apparently has little or no respect of this crew of wusses.

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

fishwater99 said:
1. Tell Stans he can resign now and or at the end of the season, it's his choice.
2. Hire someone who can actually coach a basketball team and control their players.
3. Make sure that our 3 Big Time recruits come to STATE next year.

I know this is killing you that your mentor, Stans, is finally falling flat on his face. Wait until after the beatdown we receive today form WSU.

And I am sure you are enjoying the hell out of the collapse of MSU basketball under Stansbury. I swear I think some of you were rooting for the guy to fail with the way you seem to be enjoying this. I could give a **** who is our coach as long as we win and win with some diginity.
It would be the height of stupidity to tell a coach that he will be fired at the end of the year ten games into the season and then allow him to keep coaching. That lame duck **** only works in Congress. Stricklin should tell him that he needs to get things under control or some changes could be made at the end of the year but not before.

maroonmania · Dec 22, 2010

he's not all that interested in his staff's ability to coach either. If he was he would be a little more discriminating about who he hires and would actually look for something on their resume that showed they were competent to actually coach at this level.

Coach34 · Dec 22, 2010

" And I am sure you are enjoying the hell out of the collapse of MSU basketball under Stansbury. I swear I think some of you were rooting for the guy to fail with the way you seem to be enjoying this."

Hell, I heard HD6 was talking about me hating The Recruiter since 2004 last night on the Junction. Some of you are just ridiculous.

What you guys dont get is that all this is not unexpected by many of us. We have seen it coming for awhile. I indeed have been saying since 2004 he is not a very good coach- but having Roberts transfer in along with Bowers and crew masked it a little. Since those guys left, and he has had to do actual coaching- our program has not been very good. Since those guys left, we are 15-30 vs the RPI top 50 and 2-17 vs the RPI top 25. Either he is not a very good coach, or he really isnt that good of a recruiter- but the job is not getting done against good basketball teams.

We are 37-52 against the RPI top 100 the last 5 years- let that sink in- 37-52...why do we have 20 win seasons? We are 46-5 vs sub-150 teams...

When you expect something to happen, you dont get as depressed about it when it finally does happen.

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

Yeah, you are right,we should have fired Stansbury right after the 2004 season?!?!

Look Coach, most of your criticisms about Stansbury are perfectly valid. It is when you say assinine stuff like this that takes a sledgehammer to your credibility and makes you look like you have a personal grudge against the man. If you would stick to talking about Stansbury's coaching deficiencies and letting the inmates run the asylum rather than shitting on the things Mississippi State basketball has accomplished then maybe I would not hate your postswith the white hot passion of a thousand suns.

I have never had a big affinity for Stansbury as a person but I have always wanted to see MSU basketball succeed more than I wanted to see him fired. Iremember Richard Williams' early years at MSU. The 7-21 records. The Bob Boyd years. You will have to forgive me if I did not want to make a move to fire Stansbury while we were winning 22-24 games a year even if it was against weak competition.

Now the time has come to where the results justify firing himbarring a drastic turnaround. Whoever the next coach is I will support just like I did Stansbury because I love MSU basketball. It is the moment you have been waiting for. Congratulations.

Coach34 · Dec 22, 2010

not one time. Stop making **** up and throwing a little tantrum.

But you could see he wasnt a very good coach. But now that he has gotten to the point that his recruiting cant overcome his lack of coaching skills, it is time for a change.

And those of us wanting a change, want that because we believe it will lead to more wins for our program...going 45-6 against sub-150 RPI teams to mask our problems aint cutting it anymore

bendog · Dec 22, 2010

Coach34 said:
...but having Roberts transfer in along with Bowers and crew masked it a little. Since those guys left, and he has had to do actual coaching- our program has not been very good.

Damn right on that. The fact is that he has been living for several years off the success he had with that particular group. (Although he STILL did not do **** in the tourney when he had them.)

I think that line of credit is about tapped out. I'm not sure I wouldn't give him one more year after this one to get the new class in here, and tell him that he either puts a team on the floor that would make the NCAA's as an at-large team (unexpectedly winning the SECT doesn't count), or pack his bags.

fishwater99 · Dec 22, 2010

I love MSU basketball, but I loath our coach. Rick consistently gets good college players to come to S-Vegas, but that is it. Seriously,Coach and I could do a better job with the talent we have at STATE..This year and last, he has lost total control of the team, he has no idea how to install any disciple, besides a one game suspension.
Stans has no clue how to coach offensive team basketball.
In the past when we had good teams he has always had a "playmaker" to
run the show, which is not a bad thing in CBB. We have no offensive scheme,
except to stand around and shoot 3 pointers. In the past he has made up for
this inability with great team defense, rebounding, and hustling, this team
does none of those.

My Big problem is that Stans found this 4 guard gimmick and
decided to live and die by the 3 pointer, instead of actually instituting a
half court offense. We don’t have any plays on offense. The
“Motion” offense is just an excuse for Stans to cover up his lack of having a
half court offense. If we don't score in offensive transition we look
just like a church-league team standing around and jacking three's.

This
is the SEC, we deserve a coach he can draw up and execute an offensive play.
How about an in-bounds play? Stans has horrible substitution patterns, why sub 4 or 5 at
a time line a hockey line? We are not Duke or UNC, our talent level drops off
substantially when we get to the 8th or 9th player in the
rotation. 

We always let the other team dictate the tempo of the game.
Why? 

Stans is a good recruiter and evaluator of talent, but he
is a horrible floor coach. He can not win the big game outside of the SEC.
Stans problem with the Sweet 16 is that he can not scout two teams on two days
notice and make a game-plan because he can not institute a half court offense.

DowntownDawg · Dec 22, 2010

....that 2005 team should've been much better than an 8 seed playing on Duke's home court. The 2006 team was young and bad, and I give him a pass for that. 2007 should've made the tournament and didn't. That was a talented team. 2008 should've been the year that we ran at the Sweet 16 with Rhodes, Jamont, a young but serviceable Varnado, and a decent supporting cast. That may have been his worst coaching job. Again, an 8 seed when we should've been at least a 5 or 6. 2009 should've been an at large team instead of a 13 seed automatic, and last year, we absolutely, positively, should've made the tournament as an at large team. This year's team is setting new standards for horrible basketball.

With that said, Coach is right. You could see this coming and many did. Nobody's saying he should've been fired before right now. The fact is, 2003-2005 has carried plenty of weight, and it should have. However, when you have people leaving your program ever year, you can't do anything. And that's what has happened. He has no control and hasn't for a long time. Had Ravern played against UK in the Hump last year, we might've been in the dance. But because he has no damn control over his program, his leading scorer is on the bench and we lose a game in OT. That event is just basketball as usual under Rick Stansbury, and it's been happening for years. Coach can get frustrated and be a jerk about it, but his analysis is exactly right.

Rick put the final nail in his coffin when he didn't hire a strong young assistant with some basketball knowledge when he finally had the opportunity this year. Think about that. He didn't even have to fire anybody. He was fortunate enough to have one of his guys leave on his own. And Rick goes out and gets an absolute yes man who excites nobody. That tells me that Rick sees nothing wrong with the direction of the program, believes he is doing a great job, and is absolutely out of touch with reality. He has gotten to a Ron Polk level of complacency and cockiness and the results are showing. Make no mistake. This season is over. The quicker he is gone, the better off we'll be. And having said all that, I actually like the guy. He is personable, loves MSU, and is a good family guy. So all of this is really sad. But it is time and anybody who has been paying attention could see that this was coming for a LONG time.

tenureplan · Dec 22, 2010

DowntownDawg said:
2008 should've been the year that we ran at the Sweet 16 with Rhodes, Jamont, a young but serviceable Varnado, and a decent supporting cast. That may have been his worst coaching job.

Because he did a pretty good coaching job in the tournament. We took the National runner ups to the wire. Nobody else even played them close.

DowntownDawg · Dec 22, 2010

....our team is actually better than the 8 seed that they unfortunately received because we 17ed around in the preseason. You can't give the guy any credit for playing Memphis close when we shouldn't have played them until a round or two later.

tenureplan · Dec 22, 2010

Both the Memphis and the Oregon games were well coached.

patdog · Dec 22, 2010

If he hadn't hurt his knee, no way we'd have been an 8 seed. And Coach34 would probably be bitching about how Stans has only taken us to one Sweet 16.

Coach34 · Dec 22, 2010

patdog said:
If he hadn't hurt his knee, no way we'd have been an 8 seed. And Coach34 would probably be bitching about how Stans has only taken us to one Sweet 16.

we would have lost the 2nd round game regardless of who we played...The Recruiter would have found a way to screw it up

Hanmudog · Dec 22, 2010

patdog said:
If he hadn't hurt his knee, no way we'd have been an 8 seed. And Coach34 would probably be bitching about how Stans has only taken us to one Sweet 16.

Thank you for the sanity.

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