What we learned this weekend Circle of Trust edition

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What a crappy weekend by our baseball team. I'm just thankful that good ol' Team USA salvaged a couple of wins, although I wish we had beaten Mexico out of principle. They should thank us for starting R A Dickey. But this is a MSU baseball post...

The Bad:

Everyone on the team. Hitting, pitching, defense, coaching, baserunning- EVERYONE deserves blame in some form or fashion this weekend.

Pitching- We hit too many people, walked too many people, and couldn't get out of innings. Someone talked about how well Central Arkansas did as far as their approach- well, when you don't throw strikes and you get behind the hitter, it's a LOT easier to hit. Our starting pitchers have to go deeper. I'll give Jacob Lindgren a pass- and since I have seen some people ask, so far he looks OK as far as his knee, but he will have a MRI tomorrow. At least the x-ray is negative and from what I have heard, he feels fine. Brandon Woodruff is overthrowing right now- and I don't understand what we are trying to do with him. He got behind and I think he is trying to catch up too quick. He needs to understand that he was hurt, and he is not going to be able to throw 96 right out of the gate right now- he needs to give himself time and understand that control is more valuable than velocity- although yeah, who wouldn't want to throw 110? But you have to understand where you are in his case, and right now he needs to be more Greg Maddux and less Sandy Koufax. We need to tell Woodruff- we're going to start you against LSU, and we want you to go three innings and then turn it over to the bullpen. We just want nine outs. Then build on that one inning at a time. Woodruff may be a five inning guy this year- while that's not optimal, it sure is better than what we are getting. I also think Slauter needs to catch him and not Ammirati. Woodruff's one good outing was with Slauter at catcher. The rest have been with Ammirati. The bullpen was bad this weekend as well- I think a lot of it was because we had to burn Myles Gentry in game one, which is no one's fault. In fact, Gentry was the bright spot of the pitching staff this weekend. In my opinion, not having Gentry might have cost us yesterday's game. Holder will be fine- he is a closer and when you put closers in non-save situations, sometimes they **** the bed. Will Cox needs to start over Evan Mitchell at this point- Cox has simply performed much better and he may be the answer if Woodruff can't figure things out. I think Evan would be MUCH better in one inning incriments than trying to ask him to start and get through five. He has yet to have a consistent start where his control is where it needs to be. I saw some people on twitter complaining about a 3-2 call that didn't go our way- well, I have this to say about that- when you have a wild pitcher, those calls are a lot less likely to go your way than someone that throws strikes. Girodo needs to pitch more, as does Bracewell.

Offense- We are better than we were last year, but our balance is out of whack right now- we need more power, and that is going to come in the form of Wes Rea. It would be really nice if Daryl Norris stepped up with a few bombs because that would make us so much more dangerous. I think we all see why you want to have your best all-around hitter hitting third- without protection, teams have attacked CT Bradford, and it has made him less effective and put him in a slump. Detz has performed well, but with him not being a long ball threat, teams didn't have to quite as careful with CT. I thought we kind of got away from the pressure baseball that we play- and a lot of that was because we were behind, but we have to find a way to get back to that. That is our identity- creating pressure and doing what it takes to win and adding a little bit of power with that. That means stealing, putting runners in motion, leaning in to pitches, and yes, ****ing. By the way- if you saw the WBC game today, Team USA executed a **** early in the game and it helped them come back from a 2-0 lead and go on to beat Canada. And that was with a de facto All-Star team- sometimes you do things like that and good things happen. One thing that hurts us is Cohen's insistence on playing guys like Kyle Hann, Brett Pirtle, and Jacob Robson when he should be playing guys like Daryl Norris and Demarcus Henderson more. Subbing out Norris yesterday was a bad move and it shocked me when I saw it- especially since Norris was 2 for 3 at that point. We needed runs- not defenders in at that point. And no John- I don't think Pirtle is going to start hitting at some point unless it's a SWAC team. It sure would have been nice to have had Norris up there in the ninth yesterday instead of Matthew Britton.

Defense/baserunning- CT's error- and Norris's lack of ability to catch his throw REALLY hurt bad. Flair's error was a killer too. Frazier getting thrown out at second in the 10th inning was something that CAN NOT happen. I'm not sure whether it was Frazier or the first base coaches fault, but someone was trying to do too much there.

Now- I'm calling this the Circle of Trust edition- I know you're all wondering where that came from- and what I mean is, players that we can trust to perform. If I was Cohen- these are the players who would start right now. The others, my faith is fleeting.

Fri- Lindgren
Sat- Woodruff- I'm throwing his *** to the wolves, and if he doesn't perform I'm bringing in Will Cox.
Sun- Graveman

Tues- Pollorena

Bullpen- Holder, Girodo, Bracewell, Gentry, Cox, Ross Mitchell, John Marc Shelly, Pollorena if applicable.

1. Frazier SS
2. CT CF
3. Renfroe RF
4. Rea 1B
5. Detz 2B (Guess what Detz would be working on during spring break?)
6. Norris 3B
7. Porter/Flair DH
8. Slauter C
9. Henderson LF

Bench- Porter/Flair (Pinch hit aces), Derrick Armstrong (Ace Pinch runner), Sam Frost (Yep- Defensive replacement/pinch hit/pinch runner)

I've seen some people talk about how the lineup isn't "settled"- it's going to change throughout the year based on how people are performing. If someone is going to get "their feelings hurt" because they are hitting ninth, they shouldn't be on our team. And I would tell them this- it's only going to get worse in pro baseball because minor league teams experiment with lineups a lot of times to see how a player reacts. If you go up to your minor league manager and complain about hitting ninth, that's a good way to find yourself leading off in some obscure Independent League. This is also another reason why I like my personal lineup philosophy- instead of the guys in the bottom of the order being "leftovers"- you give them a defined, meaningful and important role. That helps with bruised egos a little bit. It also helps put people on base for guys like Frazier who is a darn good hitter as well.

The good news is we have spring break going on, which means that our guys don't have to go to class (my Dad didn't go to class when it WASN'T spring break. He helped feed the needy with the fish he caught illegally in traps though.) What is does mean is instead of illegal fishing on the Tombigbee and checking out tail, our guys are going to be working their *** off trying to get this **** fixed. Well, OK, they're going to check out tail no matter what. They get to take a nice vacation to Pearl on Tuesday, and that would be a great time to start another winning streak.
 

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Great post, Todd. I hope you're right about Detz at 2B...we badly need him AND Porter in the lineup to add more pop. I like that lineup a lot.

I was thinking bring Woodruff in as long relief, but after reading that you bring up a good point about letting him start and only pitch 3 innings. I doubt Cohen will do that, but it would probably do a lot more from a confidence standpoint than my plan.

Evan Mitchell frustrates me because I truly think if he took a little off his pitches to get that extra control, he could be our Ace....his stuff is that good. Unfortunately he overthrows too much, and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon.
 

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I know I was one of the ones who mentioned approach, but right out of the gate, it was obvious to me. UCA was not going to swing the bat unless they knew a pitch was a strike. When they did swing the bat, it was highly effective. They worked counts better than any team I've seen in a long time. How many times did we put a guy on base on a 3-2 count (either by a walk, a HBP, or freakin' Allday or Merietta making good contact) AFTER our pitchers got up early in the count? It happened way too much. They made us work deep into counts, then they made us pay when we gave them hittable pitches. Gotta give them credit.

I also didn't like our approach today at the plate... we attempted to swing at pitches way too early in the count and UCA does not have pushover starters. We were going to have to get into their bullpen today if we were going to win. I have also been wanting to see a difference in the way we worked counts, but instead, we were looking to apply early pressure on the pitcher and it resulted in several things...
1. A few scattered base hits
2. 3 consecutive double plays in 3 consecutive innings, negating any scattered base hit
3. a pitcher who only threw 60 pitches through 6 full innings (pitched a complete game,too)
4. Their pitcher also having at least 2 innings with 10 or fewer pitches
5. zero production when we needed it
6. We saw 0 pitches from their bullpen today

UCA also exploited us by jumping on us early in the count. Give their pitchers credit, they threw strikes early and often all day, but we've got to do a better job putting pressure on him to execute strikes. Spoil his decent pitches, take balls (don't turn them into strikes by fouling them off), make him work deep into counts, and find a way to get on base. Cohen has been preaching those philosophies since day 1 and UCA took him to school yesterday and today.
 
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Will James

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Not a bad write up. Couple of points we both know we disagree on so I won't get into the details with you. We're both logical enough to understand each others point and why we believe that.

Glad to see someone else understand the Detz to 2nd idea.
 

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Couple of points we both know we disagree on so I won't get into the details with you. We're both logical enough to understand each others point and why we believe that.

Why even bring this up? Do you absolutely have to chime in every time someone says something that doesn't line up with what you think?
 

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Glad to see someone else understand the Detz to 2nd idea.

Everybody understands it and everybody wants it. We've all been saying for weeks that we hope Detz plays 2nd when Rea returns....Just didn't know if Cohen would do it. Hopefully he does.
 

Will James

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Great post, Todd. I hope you're right about Detz at 2B...we badly need him AND Porter in the lineup to add more pop.

Mike Tolbert. Detz to 2nd was asinine when I said it but now since Todd agrees well OK. Same with Porter. Defend your own opinions don't bum off others.
 

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Mike Tolbert. Detz to 2nd was asinine when I said it but now since Todd agrees well OK. Same with Porter. Defend your own opinions don't bum off others.

You're horrible. Where did I ever say Detz was a bad move? You embarrass yourself daily. I've been saying for weeks Detz to second was the best move. In the other thread I called you out bc I was "assuming" Detz wouldn't play second against LSU since we haven't seen him there so far. Not a bad assumption to make, and it still may not happen. Learn how to read. Everybody hates you, and everybody knows that I have been saying Detz to second for weeks. Look it up.

I wonder how many would vote to permanently ban you if it were put to a vote. Another great thread that you have ruined.
 

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Defense/baserunning- CT's error- and Norris's lack of ability to catch his throw REALLY hurt bad. Flair's error was a killer too. Frazier getting thrown out at second in the 10th inning was something that CAN NOT happen. I'm not sure whether it was Frazier or the first base coaches fault, but someone was trying to do too much there.

It's impossible for us to KNOW.... but I really think we send some guys on some low percentage steals, etc. I didn't see that one as I was in a wedding, so I can't know. It's just a theme I've noticed.

Didn't really understand Pirtle still in the game late today. Down 4-2 in 5th or 6th, I'm not as worried about defense at that point.

And yes- I'd like to see us go back to more ****ing. It's part of our game, and it opens us up. And no, I'm not saying abandon the hit- I'm saying increase the ****s.

But- good team this weekend, I'll take the ego bruise. Good luck to UCA- liked the SS.
 

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And yes- I'd like to see us go back to more ****ing. It's part of our game, and it opens us up. And no, I'm not saying abandon the hit- I'm saying increase the ****s

Did you watch the game Saturday? Does the 2nd and 3rd inning not ring a bell? Exactly when would you have ****ed when we didn't this weekend? Ive been waiting for a chuckle ever since Cads last post.
 

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And yes- I'd like to see us go back to more ****ing. It's part of our game, and it opens us up. And no, I'm not saying abandon the hit- I'm saying increase the ****s.

But- good team this weekend, I'll take the ego bruise. Good luck to UCA- liked the SS.

Yea, I think there are definitely times when a pitcher is in a rhythm you can drop a **** to either try for a hit, or to sacrifice, and just break his rhythm. But there weren't many instances this weekend where we missed out on good sac situations...although we could have tried to **** for a hit a few times just to try and create something today.

I'm not too worried about the weekend. If we get swept by LSU I will start to worry, but I think we will take 2 from that series.
 

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No, I didn't. I said before I was in a wedding Saturday.

I watched the game today, and yes, there were plenty of opportunities to drop a ****. I'm not saying it was going to win us the game, I just like to see things mixed up some. No, I'm not going to be able to recount any specific spots for you, I'm tired.
 

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I hope detz plays second but I do not see it. Wish we could have seen him at second and Norris at first. Norris is proably our second best defensive first basemen and you keep his bat in the lineup.
 

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I was hoping...

This weekend would be more of a dress rehearsal for SEC than what it has been - play everyone. Cohen took that way over the top on Saturday. It's like he panics if we don't get an early lead and tries to single-handily manage us to a win.

- Jim Ellis interviewed Detz before the Friday game. He talked about how Cohen had called him into his office a couple weeks before the first game and asked him to start working at 1st and 3rd. To me, that ended any question of Detz ever playing there. But, obviously, that was before Detz was hitting > .400, and the fantastic 4.....slightly less. I can't help but picture one bad mistake by Detz at second at a key moment and then everyone going, "Ahhhhh, there it is."

- I guess we are going to live or die by the match-up, offensively and defensively. Most of the time, I can go along with it. After all, those specific stats aren't provided to us. BUT, there comes a time, offensively, when you have to stick with the hot hand. I was quite shocked as well when Cohen took out Norris. I don't care what the stat sheet says, moves like that can damage the morale of a team pretty quickly, if it continue to happen. Players start wondering what in the hell they have to do to get to stay in the game.
 

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What makes us think that Detz can play second? I'm not saying he can or can't, but am just wondering if he's played it at all for us this year or if he has any history of playing it in the past. You don't see a lot of first basemen moved to second base, but I do understand that maybe he's playing out of position at first.
 

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What makes us think that Detz can play second? I'm not saying he can or can't, but am just wondering if he's played it at all for us this year or if he has any history of playing it in the past. You don't see a lot of first basemen moved to second base, but I do understand that maybe he's playing out of position at first.

Before this season, or in other words up to this point in his career, he's been primarily a second baseman. His fielding percentage last year at JUCO was in the .970s. Frazier was in the .950s last season for a reference. He can play 2B.
 

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My line-up and rotation:

vs RHP:

1. Frasier SS
2. Detz 3B
3. Renfroe RF
4. Rea 1B
5. Porter DH
6. Slaughter C
7. Henderson LF
8. Frost 2B
9. CT Bradford CF

vs LHP:

1. Frasier SS
2. Henderson LF
3. Renfroe RF
4. Rea 1B
5 Norris DH
6. Detz 3B
7. Slaughter C
8. Britton 2B
9. CT Bradford CF

Rotation:

Fri- Lindgren
Sat- Will Cox/RossMitchell tandem (want 3-4 innings out of each)
Sunday- Graveman/Woody tandem (want 3-4 innings out of each)

The tandem starters will give other line-ups problems and should be tougher because of their contrasting styles on the mound. As deep as we are in the pen- we need to use that depth and forget about wanting Saturday-Sunday guys going 6-7 innings. Use our depth as an advantage

Notes:

1. Detz cant be any worse than Norris at 3B-put him there and let him play it
2. Pirtle and Hann cant hit water if they fell out of a 17'ing boat. They are now to be known as Punch (Pirtle) and Judy (Hann). We know what Frost and Britton can do- and both can hit at least .200
3. Make CT your 2nd lead-off hitter in the 9-hole
4. Having Frasier and Detz setting the table for you at the top vs RHP's should help create runs
5. Platoon Norris and Porter at DH- it also gives us some flexibilty in games after a pitching change
 

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I could live with that. I think you make a good point on the tandem starters. My only disagreement would be with Detz. In my opinion, if we can put him at 3B then we should be able to put him at 2B. I see 2B as a bigger weakness particularly at the plate. I completely agree about Britton and Frost being the only 2 options at 2B, if it can't be Detz.

I could also be on board with CT in the 9 hole...especially if he doesn't pick it up at the plate. We could swap Henderson and CT in the 2 and 9 depending on a RHP or LHP.

We have got to find a way to have Rea, Detz, Porter, and Norris in the batting lineup in my opinion. We have too big of a need for pop in the lineup to risk keeping one of those guys out...regardless of RHP or LHP.

ETA: I bet your wannabe son will not like you having Renfroe in the 3 hole.
 
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drt7891

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2. Pirtle and Hann cant hit water if they fell out of a 17'ing boat. They are now to be known as Punch (Pirtle) and Judy (Hann). We know what Frost and Britton can do- and both can hit at least .200

That's really funny... and exactly right. Britton got us to the SECTCG last year.. Pirtle struck out looking with RISP this weekend.
 

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What a crappy weekend by our baseball team. I'm just thankful that good ol' Team USA salvaged a couple of wins, although I wish we had beaten Mexico out of principle. They should thank us for starting R A Dickey. But this is a MSU baseball post...

The Bad:

Everyone on the team. Hitting, pitching, defense, coaching, baserunning- EVERYONE deserves blame in some form or fashion this weekend.

Pitching- We hit too many people, walked too many people, and couldn't get out of innings. Someone talked about how well Central Arkansas did as far as their approach- well, when you don't throw strikes and you get behind the hitter, it's a LOT easier to hit. Our starting pitchers have to go deeper. I'll give Jacob Lindgren a pass- and since I have seen some people ask, so far he looks OK as far as his knee, but he will have a MRI tomorrow. At least the x-ray is negative and from what I have heard, he feels fine. Brandon Woodruff is overthrowing right now- and I don't understand what we are trying to do with him. He got behind and I think he is trying to catch up too quick. He needs to understand that he was hurt, and he is not going to be able to throw 96 right out of the gate right now- he needs to give himself time and understand that control is more valuable than velocity- although yeah, who wouldn't want to throw 110? But you have to understand where you are in his case, and right now he needs to be more Greg Maddux and less Sandy Koufax. We need to tell Woodruff- we're going to start you against LSU, and we want you to go three innings and then turn it over to the bullpen. We just want nine outs. Then build on that one inning at a time. Woodruff may be a five inning guy this year- while that's not optimal, it sure is better than what we are getting. I also think Slauter needs to catch him and not Ammirati. Woodruff's one good outing was with Slauter at catcher. The rest have been with Ammirati. The bullpen was bad this weekend as well- I think a lot of it was because we had to burn Myles Gentry in game one, which is no one's fault. In fact, Gentry was the bright spot of the pitching staff this weekend. In my opinion, not having Gentry might have cost us yesterday's game. Holder will be fine- he is a closer and when you put closers in non-save situations, sometimes they **** the bed. Will Cox needs to start over Evan Mitchell at this point- Cox has simply performed much better and he may be the answer if Woodruff can't figure things out. I think Evan would be MUCH better in one inning incriments than trying to ask him to start and get through five. He has yet to have a consistent start where his control is where it needs to be. I saw some people on twitter complaining about a 3-2 call that didn't go our way- well, I have this to say about that- when you have a wild pitcher, those calls are a lot less likely to go your way than someone that throws strikes. Girodo needs to pitch more, as does Bracewell.

Offense- We are better than we were last year, but our balance is out of whack right now- we need more power, and that is going to come in the form of Wes Rea. It would be really nice if Daryl Norris stepped up with a few bombs because that would make us so much more dangerous. I think we all see why you want to have your best all-around hitter hitting third- without protection, teams have attacked CT Bradford, and it has made him less effective and put him in a slump. Detz has performed well, but with him not being a long ball threat, teams didn't have to quite as careful with CT. I thought we kind of got away from the pressure baseball that we play- and a lot of that was because we were behind, but we have to find a way to get back to that. That is our identity- creating pressure and doing what it takes to win and adding a little bit of power with that. That means stealing, putting runners in motion, leaning in to pitches, and yes, ****ing. By the way- if you saw the WBC game today, Team USA executed a **** early in the game and it helped them come back from a 2-0 lead and go on to beat Canada. And that was with a de facto All-Star team- sometimes you do things like that and good things happen. One thing that hurts us is Cohen's insistence on playing guys like Kyle Hann, Brett Pirtle, and Jacob Robson when he should be playing guys like Daryl Norris and Demarcus Henderson more. Subbing out Norris yesterday was a bad move and it shocked me when I saw it- especially since Norris was 2 for 3 at that point. We needed runs- not defenders in at that point. And no John- I don't think Pirtle is going to start hitting at some point unless it's a SWAC team. It sure would have been nice to have had Norris up there in the ninth yesterday instead of Matthew Britton.

Defense/baserunning- CT's error- and Norris's lack of ability to catch his throw REALLY hurt bad. Flair's error was a killer too. Frazier getting thrown out at second in the 10th inning was something that CAN NOT happen. I'm not sure whether it was Frazier or the first base coaches fault, but someone was trying to do too much there.

Now- I'm calling this the Circle of Trust edition- I know you're all wondering where that came from- and what I mean is, players that we can trust to perform. If I was Cohen- these are the players who would start right now. The others, my faith is fleeting.

Fri- Lindgren
Sat- Woodruff- I'm throwing his *** to the wolves, and if he doesn't perform I'm bringing in Will Cox.
Sun- Graveman

Tues- Pollorena

Bullpen- Holder, Girodo, Bracewell, Gentry, Cox, Ross Mitchell, John Marc Shelly, Pollorena if applicable.

1. Frazier SS
2. CT CF
3. Renfroe RF
4. Rea 1B
5. Detz 2B (Guess what Detz would be working on during spring break?)
6. Norris 3B
7. Porter/Flair DH
8. Slauter C
9. Henderson LF

Bench- Porter/Flair (Pinch hit aces), Derrick Armstrong (Ace Pinch runner), Sam Frost (Yep- Defensive replacement/pinch hit/pinch runner)

I've seen some people talk about how the lineup isn't "settled"- it's going to change throughout the year based on how people are performing. If someone is going to get "their feelings hurt" because they are hitting ninth, they shouldn't be on our team. And I would tell them this- it's only going to get worse in pro baseball because minor league teams experiment with lineups a lot of times to see how a player reacts. If you go up to your minor league manager and complain about hitting ninth, that's a good way to find yourself leading off in some obscure Independent League. This is also another reason why I like my personal lineup philosophy- instead of the guys in the bottom of the order being "leftovers"- you give them a defined, meaningful and important role. That helps with bruised egos a little bit. It also helps put people on base for guys like Frazier who is a darn good hitter as well.

The good news is we have spring break going on, which means that our guys don't have to go to class (my Dad didn't go to class when it WASN'T spring break. He helped feed the needy with the fish he caught illegally in traps though.) What is does mean is instead of illegal fishing on the Tombigbee and checking out tail, our guys are going to be working their *** off trying to get this **** fixed. Well, OK, they're going to check out tail no matter what. They get to take a nice vacation to Pearl on Tuesday, and that would be a great time to start another winning streak.

Will just make one comment on the bases loaded walk by Mitchell that gave CA the 1-0 lead on Saturday. In general I agree that an erratic pitcher won't get a lot of borderline calls from an ump but Short was terrible on Saturday and I watched the entire game on Hail State TV and the 2-2 breaking ball taken by the CA batter was NOT borderline. It was caught right at the knees which means it was even higher than that when crossing the plate and was right over the middle of the plate. So that one was just a blown call by the ump who just froze I guess because we should have been out of the inning with no damage done no question. That blown strike call along with the terrible throwing error by Bradford that cost us another run the next inning was the difference in the Saturday game. Without those things we almost assuredly win in the normal 9 innings. Sunday's game it looked to me like our team was just totally out to lunch and CA had that game in hand pretty much from the point they broke the 2-2 tie.
 

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Mike Tolbert. Detz to 2nd was asinine when I said it but now since Todd agrees well OK. Same with Porter. Defend your own opinions don't bum off others.

Why do I get the feeling you are posting this from the Student Union while eating a fully loaded baked potato with a little chili on your face.
 

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What makes us think that Detz can play second? I'm not saying he can or can't, but am just wondering if he's played it at all for us this year or if he has any history of playing it in the past. You don't see a lot of first basemen moved to second base, but I do understand that maybe he's playing out of position at first.

Detz is a middle infielder by trade, and to add what Will James said- he won a gold glove in his JUCO league as a middle infielder. He also played summer league baseball with Adam Frazier at second base.
 

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This weekend would be more of a dress rehearsal for SEC than what it has been - play everyone.

I very much agree with this. Its time to get out of the little league mentality that everyone has to play an inning or whatever and get our best 9 guys for the situation on the field and keep them there. Players get better with repetitive game play and not by being pulled in and out of ballgames. When there are legitimate reasons to do so fine but Cohen was substituting position players and pitchers so much and so fast Saturday it was giving me a headache. And it was a total bonehead move to pinch run for Detz in the 9th when there was no need for it and then end up being forced to play Flair at first which helped to cost us the game when he didn't catch Britton's throw. Should have already been time to settle things down a little bit. I was also ticked when Norris was swinging a hot bat and he got pinch hit for just because they brought in a right hander. We've got to get guys settled into their positions for the SEC and we need Norris's bat because even if he doesn't hit HRs he at least has gap power. And Detz, in my mind, should DH as a LH hitter when Rea comes back over Porter if there is not a spot for him in the field. Porter has just not done much lately. He did get a key bloop hit in the game Saturday but it was a case of more being lucky than good. And I still don't have a clue about who should really play 2nd. If Detz really can't do it to me its probably a toss up between Pirtle and Frost. I still don't like Frost at 3rd because we lose Norris' bat and I've yet to be convinced Frost can make all the throws from 3rd.
 

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That is interesting. I'd just like to see us settle on a lineup and quit tinkering so much.
 

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Not necessarily. You need more range at 2nd and you need to be able to turn the double play. There is probably a reason Cohen hasn't given him a shot at 2nd and isn't even mentioning 2nd as a possibility when (if?) Rea comes back. I'm guessing it's at least 1 of those 2 things. Overall, I really like Coach34's lineups. As much hell as Frost has caught in the last 2 years, I'm actually OK with him at 2nd. From what I've seen, he's a good defensive 2B.
 

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There's a fine line

Between having a set lineup and tinkering. Every year Cohen has been here, he has tinkered with the lineup pre-SEC and then things got more settled once SEC play started. That's part of the reason why I want there to be a one weekend 3-5 game exhibition schedule vs. someone like Delta State because I think it would help with the quality of pre-SEC play a little bit. However, I think you want to have at least four bench guys (in a perfect world) that can be serviceable players and fill roles just because guys are going to slump, need a day off, etc. You need two catchers, a pinch hitter, a pinch runner, and a utility guy- and one of those hopefully is someone that can be a corner infield/outfield guy, one a CF/OF type like Derrick Armstrong, and one a guy that can play at least three infield positions competently.

So, to me a set lineup isn't that big of a deal as much as getting the best lineup out there for that particular game and situation.

Those bench positions are very important in my opinion because you need guys that can give you some flexibility for certain situations that may arise.