What's our attendance next weekend Saturday vs. Auburn?

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Goat Holder

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Exactly RocketDawg. Your attendance numbers are not accurate until the entire grandstand is full in the 1st inning.

These guys think I want to report actual attendance. I don't. All i care about is having an electric atmosphere. Engie has gone full-on retard.
 

engie

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give up. You obviously are lacking in the reading comprehension on this. Carry on.

Last years actual attendance reported: 3725, 6424, 9233 (good job on counting, Goat)

You just lack the ability to frame it correctly the first time -- or the second time -- or the third time -- if you have a valid argument at all. You said "our fans don't show up anymore" -- I showed you they did -- You said "only for big games" -- I showed you that SBW is ALWAYS a "big game". Now I'm supposed to be the one that lacks critical reasoning skills? Laughable.

Be sure to go back and show me ANY actual attendances from this year at Dudy Noble. I've said it MULTIPLE times in this thread already -- IT IS NO LONGER COUNTED AND SHOWN IN BOX SCORES AS OF THIS YEAR. And I'm the one that lacks reading comprehension?

We're ranked in (likely) the top 12, with an RPI in the top 8, an 8-7 SEC record with a chance to get 3 this weekend and(almost) lock up a regional host site, with a stretch run that sets up great for us. But, hey, let's compare to SBW last year -- when we were 5-10 in the SEC fresh off being swept by South Carolina and coming off a midweek Governor's Trophy loss -- not receiving votes in ANY top 25 poll -- and @ RPI #44(prior to the OM loss) and a very real threat to miss the tournament altogether for the 3rd time in 4 years...

Good to know that you predict ACTUAL attendance to drop 1233 from last year -- despite all these factors working in our favor in comparison. Your initial prediction was absolutely logical**
 
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Goat Holder

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Nobody cares what is reporting. We're not comparing. This entire thread was based on how many people will be at the damn game, you know, to support the baseball team. I know, I started the mother ******. Not sure why you're trying to make it into something it's not. Actually, I am. You just want to argue like a woman.
 

Steakonastick

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What helps give us a home field advantage? Sure those empty paid seats looks good on paper. But in person it looks half ***. Those maroon empty seats sure do make tons of noise.

Who ever started counted paid attendance is an idiot. I consider attendance as butts in the stadium.

What's amazing if we were ranked top 15 in football or basketball the game would be sold out with scalpers everywhere. Attendance will be about 10500.
 

engie

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You started it -- and everyone went full retard on negative predictions. I'm not sorry for calling that out...

Weather permitting, there will be over 10k actual attendance at that game on Saturday -- and it will be a top 10 crowd alltime in what actually goes down on paper(paid attendance).
 
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engie

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Who ever started counted paid attendance is an idiot. I consider attendance as butts in the stadium.

So, the entire college baseball, football, and basketball world(we were the last holdouts) are idiots? Got it.

I get the point of preferring more people ACTUALLY be at a game vs the number of people that PAID for a game. Absolutely.

I just don't see why everyone is so set on beating the dead horse about it? Those maroon seats are going to stay empty because the stadium was built on a ridiculous, unsustainable model. The people upset about these seats always being empty are the same ones that seem to fly into an outrage when it's mentioned that the best way to move forward @ DNF is to level the grandstand structure and start over from scratch. That's the only way I can see that we ever get out from under those maroon empty seats -- and there will be more and more of them every year, as those 1985 donations get further and further into the rearview.

Dudy Noble's capacity is basically TOO BIG -- that's why you don't have scalpers -- there is never any fear of a true sellout.
 

Goat Holder

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Weather permitting, there will be over 10k actual attendance at that game on Saturday -- and it will be a top 10 crowd alltime in what actually goes down on paper(paid attendance).

That would have been a decent reply to the original post, had you not already spewed pages of menstrual discharge to get to it.
 

HiLo.sixpack

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According to Cohen, the most important attendance stat is this Thursday night's televised game, and maybe Friday's too. He had a special plea for fans to show up especially behind the plate. Said something about this was good for recruiting. Somebody was thinking when behind-theplate seating was designed to be relatively low. When filled up it makes for a good atmosphere rather than the green monsters that Ole Miss, UT, UGA and others have.
 

Goat Holder

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The real reason that Goat threw in the little "actual fans" caveat is because he's scared that OM is going to outdraw us on the big weekend -- so he chose a trivial number that can't be proven one way or the other.

They already out-draw us regularly, paid and actual. Have been for years.
 

Steakonastick

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Paid attendance started getting used by schools to make themselves feel better. Like saying your packing 12 inches then when the pants drop you are working with a 7.

Even if we had a smaller park we would be 5th in the sec in attendance. If we are gonna pride ourselves on baseball attendance it's time we step up.
 

engie

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Paid attendance started getting used by schools to make themselves feel better. Like saying your packing 12 inches then when the pants drop you are working with a 7.

Even if we had a smaller park we would be 5th in the sec in attendance. If we are gonna pride ourselves on baseball attendance it's time we step up.

We are behind 3 schools with large metropolitan areas -- Baton Rouge, Columbia, and Fayetteville and near more schools with the same in Austin, College Station, etc. Chances aren't that good that we can't outdraw them in actual attendance even in our best years due to the lull we will always have in the midweeks.

You say "it's time we step up", but how would you have us do that? Easily over 50% of our season ticket holders live a long way from Starkville and can't make midweeks, etc... The same is true for Ole Miss -- hence why it is actually preferable for both of us to list paid attendance. That isn't changing anytime soon.

Fact is -- we sell out our chairback season tickets and everyone that actually has rigs in the outfield buys them as well. NO ONE cancels their skyboxes, there is a long waiting list, etc...This virtually caps our season ticket sales though -- and limits "on paper" attendance. No one is buying season tickets to sit in those damn bleachers -- and no one that doesn't at least have some vested interest in a rig is buying them in the outfield.

The only way we ever get actual attendance numbers back/better is to continually be competitive, which IMO we will be under Cohen, and to find a way to have more chairbacks and thus more season ticket sales...and/or to get out from under the lifetime seating contracts. Those chairbacks are always going to be partially empty as long as we're handcuffed by those contracts...
 

KurtRambis4

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got to hand it to you. You're a hard headed SOB. You keep putting words into my mouth that I've never once said. The thread asked a simple (for some) question. I answered that it would be around 8 (actual, inferred for the smarter kids). I have no doubt we will report more. I then added that we don't show up like we used to (Hell your own stats, which youve labored over all day, show this). Again, a person that uses any reason can take from this that I inferred the overall attendance (game in game out). You then threw in a pic of us at the SEC tourney final last year. Wow. You got me there. I then throw in actual attendance, which goes with my initial statement, and you cry that we don't use actual attendance. Grear. Yet another Newtonian thought. I don't give a flying monkey 17 if we use Derek Dunn advanced advanced algebra. My point stands w my initial assertion. I think we'll have around 8k there. Big 17ing deal. Does that mean we have ****** attendance? No. Does it mean its currently at the level (again game by game Einstein) we expect? No. Does it mean we can't get there? No. It 17ing means I think we'll have 8k there and that I think our attendance has slipped over the years (novel idea, I know). Look I know you're an engineer and uses to be a juco all-American, but none of that impresses me or carries any weight in disproving my statement.
 

RocketDawg

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We are behind 3 schools with large metropolitan areas -- Baton Rouge, Columbia, and Fayetteville

I don't agree with your view on what constitutes attendance, but you do make a good point that the three schools have much larger population bases from which to draw.

However ... a technicality. Baton Rouge has 802,484; Fayetteville has 463,204; and Columbia has 767,598. None of those is a "large" metropolitan area. The census bureau defines a large metro as one with more than 1,000,000 souls. Nothing in Mississippi is that large, and certainly nothing around Starkville.
 

RocketDawg

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Yeah, I know that's how MSU counts "attendance", and according to others, that's how all other schools do it to.

My point was what the actual definition is, not the "feel good" number of false "attendance". I suppose we have to keep up with the Jonses, but it doesn't really make sense for anyone to do that. And we try to teach our kids honesty ....
 

engie

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got to hand it to you. You're a hard headed SOB. You keep putting words into my mouth that I've never once said. The thread asked a simple (for some) question. I answered that it would be around 8 (actual, inferred for the smarter kids). I have no doubt we will report more. I then added that we don't show up like we used to (Hell your own stats, which youve labored over all day, show this). Again, a person that uses any reason can take from this that I inferred the overall attendance (game in game out). You then threw in a pic of us at the SEC tourney final last year. Wow. You got me there. I then throw in actual attendance, which goes with my initial statement, and you cry that we don't use actual attendance. Grear. Yet another Newtonian thought. I don't give a flying monkey 17 if we use Derek Dunn advanced advanced algebra. My point stands w my initial assertion. I think we'll have around 8k there. Big 17ing deal. Does that mean we have ****** attendance? No. Does it mean its currently at the level (again game by game Einstein) we expect? No. Does it mean we can't get there? No. It 17ing means I think we'll have 8k there and that I think our attendance has slipped over the years (novel idea, I know). Look I know you're an engineer and uses to be a juco all-American, but none of that impresses me or carries any weight in disproving my statement.

Talk about twisting the facts... First of all -- link me to "my stats showing that we don't show up like we used to" because you just made that **** up. STATS don't say that at all.

Let me run you through this one more time. You said "8k, our fans don't show up anymore". I showed you that our fans show up in DROVES for big games with the MOST RECENT big game as the example. Instead of admitting that maybe you overstated that ******** the first time, you tried to tell me that regional/SEC tournament games don't count under the guise of "of course we show up for those" -- I showed you that SBW games are JUST AS BIG for BOTH ACTUAL AND PAID attendance EVERY DAMN YEAR. Now you are just pissed off and crawfishing.

You definitely lost me and everyone else with a shred of common sense when you said that you think only 8k show up with us as a likely regional host and potential national seed. You then later posted that 9300 ACTUAL showed up last year when we were 5-10 and on the fringe of making the tournament. It's hilarious that you can't see the negative ignorance of your own position on this.

Traditional Saturday attendance for SBW(Cohen tenure):
2012 - 9233 ACTUAL
2011 - 10332 ACTUAL
2010 - 11089 ACTUAL
2009 - 10210 ACTUAL

If 8k or fewer ACTUALLY show up on Saturday and it isn't raining it's *** off -- I'll never post on SPS again. I'm that positive it was a RIDICULOUS number in attempt to be sixpack cool. Are you that confident in your assessment? Yeahhhh, I didn't 17ing think so...
 

engie

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Yeah, I know that's how MSU counts "attendance", and according to others, that's how all other schools do it to.

My point was what the actual definition is, not the "feel good" number of false "attendance". I suppose we have to keep up with the Jonses, but it doesn't really make sense for anyone to do that. And we try to teach our kids honesty ....

So baseball attendance is about teaching kids, what, exactly?

I fail to see the dishonesty or misleading in posting attendance CLEARLY marked as PAID attendance.
 

Todd4State

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Ding, ding, ding

We are behind 3 schools with large metropolitan areas -- Baton Rouge, Columbia, and Fayetteville and near more schools with the same in Austin, College Station, etc. Chances aren't that good that we can't outdraw them in actual attendance even in our best years due to the lull we will always have in the midweeks.

You say "it's time we step up", but how would you have us do that? Easily over 50% of our season ticket holders live a long way from Starkville and can't make midweeks, etc... The same is true for Ole Miss -- hence why it is actually preferable for both of us to list paid attendance. That isn't changing anytime soon.

Fact is -- we sell out our chairback season tickets and everyone that actually has rigs in the outfield buys them as well. NO ONE cancels their skyboxes, there is a long waiting list, etc...This virtually caps our season ticket sales though -- and limits "on paper" attendance. No one is buying season tickets to sit in those damn bleachers -- and no one that doesn't at least have some vested interest in a rig is buying them in the outfield.

The only way we ever get actual attendance numbers back/better is to continually be competitive, which IMO we will be under Cohen, and to find a way to have more chairbacks and thus more season ticket sales...and/or to get out from under the lifetime seating contracts. Those chairbacks are always going to be partially empty as long as we're handcuffed by those contracts...

This is correct about the contracts. As an aside- Skip Bertman was the one who started doing paid attendance because that was at the time the only way LSU could "outdraw" us. Bianco, from Bertman's staff, took that idea with him to Oxford. So, this thread is really Skip Bertman's fault.

I have been to six games in Starkville thus far, and I can tell you going off of an eyeball's glance that attendance is subjectively better, or at the very least there is excitement there and maybe that makes it seem "bigger". What I can say is, the past few years I have been able to get a ticket in the grandstands walking up to the ticket office like an hour before the game. Now, I am always having to sit in the bleachers.

We're having fireworks on Thursday, giving out t-shirts, and I think we are doing a MUCH better job in between innings with things for the fans.

So, people are there- they're just not in the grandstand. I would say that it is about 30% full right now. The other "problem" we're having is we are undergoing a massive facilities rebuilding/building project- and it's football's turn right now. That means that Dudy-Noble is on the backburner right now other than some random up grades like the drainage system a couple of years ago. Once the football building is done, I think the focus will possibly start to shift back to baseball for a moment.

The thing about a new grandstand- we need new skyboxes and a new pressbox anyway. My hope is that we tear down the grandstand and build it pretty much like Trustmark Park- seats from foul pole to foul pole, seats closer to the field at a lower angle for better sight lines, and maybe a concourse that is open where people can walk and get food and not miss the game. Adding new skyboxes seems prudent because there is apparently a demand for it, and then a nice pressbox.
 

KurtRambis4

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Holy ****

Youre dense. MSU giving you an engineering degree confirms my belief that anyone can get one. Let me try and simplify this for you. Goats post said actual. I said I doubt we get much more than 8000. I inferred actual attendance, sincd thsts what the thread asked. You flew off the handle bc you say nobody goes by actual attendance. Great. Fan-17ing-tastic. I don't give a **** what they go by. I'm guessing how many will be there, actually (as the thread stated, powerful stuff I know). They can go by the wavelengths in nanometers for all I care. aGAIN (10th time), my statement pertained to how many people I think will be there, actually. If we get 10,000 (actually), exce-17ing-lent!!!11! It doesn't really disprove that our actuall attendance has dropped over the years, though. So go ahead and hit the reply and type that nobody goes by sctual blah blah blah and we had big crowds in the supers and sec tourney final blah blah blah. Just showing you're completely ignoring the threads question.
 

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Wait, so engie...

...seized upon some obscure/irrelevant point that was never made, railed against it at length, ruining the thread in the process, then declared himself the winner of the argument that he made up and called everyone else a dumbass? That's never happened before. **
 

KurtRambis4

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It took this

clown 12+ hours to make a legit reply. Jesus. You asked about a guess on actual and he flies off the handle and goes full retard about how actual isn't counted. Awesome. That wasnt the question Einstein...
 

engie

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8000 actual attendance!!1!1! 2k less than we've had for any SBW Saturday during the doldrums of the rebuild!!1!1! Our fans SUCK!!1!1!

Notice that you ignored the bet -- That's probably a good idea.
 
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engie

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clown 12+ hours to make a legit reply. Jesus. You asked about a guess on actual and he flies off the handle and goes full retard about how actual isn't counted. Awesome. That wasnt the question Einstein...

And how long has it taken you to crawfish 15 times? Not long -- because you haven't made a single good point yet.
 

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It is officially unofficial, the void of C34's know everything attitude has been filled. This thread is FUBAR.
 

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I'd like to make this point... All three areas (except Fayetteville... but only barely smaller) are larger than Mississippi's LARGEST metro area... Jackson... which is only around 500,000 people. MSU and OM do extremely well for themselves considering how many more people LSU, Arkansas, and USCe (include every SEC school) have to draw from. The tri-county area that includes the Golden Triangle I don't even think reaches 100,000, and OM is an hour from Memphis, Grenada, and Tupeolo. Both schools are in rural areas and consistently bring in top 10 crowds. That's downright amazing, if you ask me... nothing to be shy about at all.

And you are right about midweek crowds. Most folks are barely off work by the time the games start and it is hard, even for me, to make most midweek games because of time. I know I'm not the only one in that boat, either.
 
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