What's the Point?

[lookoutforliam]

Loyola will now have been on the road for the quarters and semis, AS THE #1 SEED. I know nothing can be changed now, but perhaps the IHSA addresses this in the offseason? Of course, play the best to be the best, but what advantage is given to being a higher seed? Should be a great game next Saturday.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Loyola will now have been on the road for the quarters and semis, AS THE #1 SEED. I know nothing can be changed now, but perhaps the IHSA addresses this in the offseason? Of course, play the best to be the best, but what advantage is given to being a higher seed? Should be a great game next Saturday.

ESL has to travel back to Chicago area as a #2 seed. I think the rule should be alter to give a team at least one home game only. If you win as a lower seed in round one you deserve a home game for round two.. After that higher seed is at home.

 

[SilverHelmets]

ESL has to travel back to Chicago area as a #2 seed. I think the rule should be alter to give a team at least one home game only. If you win as a lower seed in round one you deserve a home game for round two.. After that higher seed is at home.

Yeah but what happens when two lower seeds win in round one? When does the lower of the two get to host? It is a dumb system. The higher seed should always host.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Yeah but what happens when two lower seeds win in round one? When does the lower of the two get to host? It is a dumb system. The higher seed should always host.

If the two lower seeds win in round one and the lower seed win in round two, they should get a home game for the qtrs. After that one game, higher seeds are at home. This will guarantee the higher seeds with semifinal home games. With this rule, there is no scenario where the higher seed in on the road for the semis.

 

[SilverHelmets]

In theory, you could have all the lower seeds win in evert round and the #1 seed could be on the road for every round after week 1. Or if the seeds hold they play every game at home. IHSA leaves it up to dumb luck

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

i'll disagree with everyone....the better ranked team should always have home field advantage.

It's just a dumb, over legislated, rule.

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

maybe they should be happy.In the past 3 seasons (13,14 and 15) in the 8A semi finals,the home team is 2-4.

 

[pjjp]

ESL has to travel back to Chicago area as a #2 seed. I think the rule should be alter to give a team at least one home game only. If you win as a lower seed in round one you deserve a home game for round two.. After that higher seed is at home.

How about giving the higher seed the option in round 1 to go on the road, thus giving them a greater chance of hosting playoff games in the later rounds?

The system is what it is. It's unfortunate when high seeds like LA and ESL have to travel two weeks in a row for the quarters and semis. IMO, it's a bigger deal to LA, since Duchon is such a home field advantage. Benet will do well to come within 4 TD's of the Flyers at Benedictine.

 

[mc140]

Same people who complain about how flawed the seeding is want those same higher seeds to always have home field. Interesting.

 

[jwarigaku]

JC,

In Illinois everything must be done in the interest of "fairness" not what is earned...I agree higher seed gets the game period. When you arrive at quarters, semis, and finals all should be neutral fields. You gonna make it up to PA for a game? This week is round 2.

i'll disagree with everyone....the better ranked team should always have home field advantage.

It's just a dumb, over legislated, rule.

 

[morrisfan]

I believe they made the rule originally to help keep fields from getting destroyed after playing 3 or 4 straight home games. Obviously with the amount of turf fields available now, that idea may not work for the future. I personally like how lower seeded teams get an opportunity to host playoff games though.

 

[ClownBaby]

If you are the better team why do you care where the game is played? In my experience the best part of the playoffs was going on the road to new place and eliminating the home team.

 

[lookoutforliam]

If you are the better team why do you care where the game is played? In my experience the best part of the playoffs was going on the road to new place and eliminating the home team.

Then why seed in the first place? It's out of the control of the players, so I'm sure they don't mind. But that wasn't the question. If you have a higher seed, it should represent some sort of advantage.

 

[ClownBaby]

Then why seed in the first place? It's out of the control of the players, so I'm sure they don't mind. But that wasn't the question. If you have a higher seed, it should represent some sort of advantage.

I agree they shouldn't seed they should just put the 32 teams in 8A in a hat and pull them out write them on a bracket and have them play. The cream will rise and the rest will fall plus people on this board will have nothing to complain about since it will be completely random.

 

[jwarigaku]

Why should they get to host? They didn't earn it...why do we keep instilling this type of mediocrity? Especially in the competitive sport of football...if you want things to be fair and polite go to the state debating playoffs or Cheerleading danceoffs(whatever they're called) Football is a game of "technological struggle, not a pastoral game" (see link to George Carlin's the difference between Football and Baseball linked below)

I believe they made the rule originally to help keep fields from getting destroyed after playing 3 or 4 straight home games. Obviously with the amount of turf fields available now, that idea may not work for the future. I personally like how lower seeded teams get an opportunity to host playoff games though.

 

[jwarigaku]

Clown,

If you like that move to Indiana and play where everybody qualifies.

I agree they shouldn't seed they should just put the 32 teams in 8A in a hat and pull them out write them on a bracket and have them play. The cream will rise and the rest will fall plus people on this board will have nothing to complain about since it will be completely random.

 

[ClownBaby]

Clown,

If you like that move to Indiana and play where everybody qualifies.

The IHSA has a system that has been in place for 30 some years and no one has even attempted to change it so obviously outside of a few guys on a message board nobody cares. Home field advantage in high school is so overrated it's not like you are having to go into Ohio Stadium and having to play in front of 90,000 opposing fans.

 

[lookoutforliam]

The IHSA has a system that has been in place for 30 some years and no one has even attempted to change it so obviously outside of a few guys on a message board nobody cares. Home field advantage in high school is so overrated it's not like you are having to go into Ohio Stadium and having to play in front of 90,000 opposing fans.

I would differ on both fronts ( are you kidding me Cutler). A. Not just this board B. I would say home field advantage is huge, particularly at this level. I say that because I believe familiarity with settings is a big part of it. I think the home crowd ( perhaps depending on where) can be very big. I think pre-game routines make a big difference. Maybe I'm just replying to you being sarcastic. You really can't tell via message board!

 

[ClownBaby]

I would differ on both fronts ( are you kidding me Cutler). A. Not just this board B. I would say home field advantage is huge, particularly at this level. I say that because I believe familiarity with settings is a big part of it. I think the home crowd ( perhaps depending on where) can be very big. I think pre-game routines make a big difference. Maybe I'm just replying to you being sarcastic. You really can't tell via message board!

So your saying this the first road game Loyola has played all year? Did they not have a regular routine before road games? There is more pressure in the playoffs since you are playing for your life but it's just another game like any other. If your the better team and play your game mistake free you will win and if you don't you will lose. It doesn't matter where the game is played.

And my only sarcastic post was about pulling the teams out of a hat.....

 

[Normdog]

ESL had the first 2 rounds at home, and given what happened with the GBN game, they were probably pretty happy to have that second round game at home. Based on what happened at Willowbrook yesterday, being the road team was a real disadvantage for them.

Benet played first game at home then two on the road. playing 3 on the road in a row is not a great system either. there is no such thing as a perfect system.

If you want true 1-32 seeding for entire state, this is going to happen. if you want to eliminate all long consecutive travel weeks for everyone then go back to North/South which is a lousy system.

 

[Bowie50]

The IHSA has a system that has been in place for 30 some years and no one has even attempted to change it so obviously outside of a few guys on a message board nobody cares. Home field advantage in high school is so overrated it's not like you are having to go into Ohio Stadium and having to play in front of 90,000 opposing fans.

Loyola has not lost at home since semifinals against GBN in '12. It's an advantage.

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

Get the seeding system figured out then worry about who hosts....like GBW and Maine South are #20 and #26 seeds...lol....and you have to have same system in place for all classes.

For now it's the system they have in place and there must not be a whole lot of complaining from the member schools.Message board membership doesn't count.

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

Loyola has not lost at home since semifinals against GBN in '12. It's an advantage.

and they won last year on the road in the semis...

 

[Normdog]

Loyola has not lost at home since semifinals against GBN in '12. It's an advantage.

Seriously? that is the worst argument possible. Had nothing to do at all with the fact that they were dominant as a team. it must be because they played at home!

 

[ClownBaby]

Seriously? that is the worst argument possible. Had nothing to do at all with the fact that they were dominant as a team. it must be because they played at home!

That is pretty much the point I have been trying to make the whole time as to why home field advantage doesn't matter.

 

[jwarigaku]

Norm and Clown,

Please share with us your Infinent knowledge why the higher should not benefit from the comfort of home and the gate/consessions. They earned the right to stay home. There is no reason not to do true 1-32 and there is no reason other than the appearance of "fairness" for the higher seed not to have home field advantage of field, comfort and finance.

Seriously? that is the worst argument possible. Had nothing to do at all with the fact that they were dominant as a team. it must be because they played at home!

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

The way the IHSA seeds is not a true seed and I believe they realize that.So in the first round the "higher seeds" host.So if you advance in subsequent rounds you have the team that has hosted fewer times hosting....but your higher seed will benefit you if things are equal.
We all know that GBW is not a #20 seed so is it fair that GBW doesn't get the advantage of "comfort and finance" with only having 1 game to this point to Loyola's 2 home games....despite the fact that both are playing in the semi's?
GBW racked up far more costs this post season with travel costs,why shouldn't they be entitled to recoup some?Not just GBW but any of the schools playing next weekend.

 

[SweetWalter34]

That is pretty much the point I have been trying to make the whole time as to why home field advantage doesn't matter.

"home field advantage doesn't matter."
You might be mistaken.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Wow, I thought folks were going to enjoy Saturday.

I guess that I should just keep my mouth shut considering this will be the 5th straight semifinal home game for GW. Freaky streak of getting all the right bounces.

I do think an adaptation that allows higher seed teams to choose to be on the road for Round 1 would solve most of the issue.

 

[SilverHelmets]

Wow, I thought folks were going to enjoy Saturday.

I guess that I should just keep my mouth shut considering this will be the 5th straight semifinal home game for GW. Freaky streak of getting all the right bounces.

I do think an adaptation that allows higher seed teams to choose to be on the road for Round 1 would solve most of the issue.

Aren't they 0-2 at Duchon and 2-0 at Glenbard South?

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

Wow, I thought folks were going to enjoy Saturday.

I guess that I should just keep my mouth shut considering this will be the 5th straight semifinal home game for GW. Freaky streak of getting all the right bounces.

I do think an adaptation that allows higher seed teams to choose to be on the road for Round 1 would solve most of the issue.

Go ahead and enjoy it.It should be a great game.It will always be something that people want to complain about....seeding,hosting.We have even seen complaints that a team shouldn't host because of field conditions or even the amount of visitor seating a school has...it will never end.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Aren't they 0-2 at Duchon and 2-0 at Glenbard South?

Yes, I have made that point in another thread. This will be their fifth straight "home" semifinal, which speaks to the seed/home field issue.

 

[UJC44]

Not sure why Loyola is complaining. They have kids on that team from just about every city in Northern IL so basically every game is a home game

 

[ignazio]

I think it's more an issue of "legitimate seeding" than it is for the rule in place.

That said, I'm looking forward for LA's first visit to Duchon. In fact, in honor of playing at that field, we'll be suiting up Lucas to play qb for us.

 

[jwarigaku]

And this is the problem in America today "entitled" No one is entitled to anything unless they earned it. Man up and stop acting like a child that feels entitled to everything.

The way the IHSA seeds is not a true seed and I believe they realize that.So in the first round the "higher seeds" host.So if you advance in subsequent rounds you have the team that has hosted fewer times hosting....but your higher seed will benefit you if things are equal.
We all know that GBW is not a #20 seed so is it fair that GBW doesn't get the advantage of "comfort and finance" with only having 1 game to this point to Loyola's 2 home games....despite the fact that both are playing in the semi's?
GBW racked up far more costs this post season with travel costs,why shouldn't they be entitled to recoup some?Not just GBW but any of the schools playing next weekend.

 

[lookoutforliam]

Not sure why Loyola is complaining. They have kids on that team from just about every city in Northern IL so basically every game is a home game

Am I missing something? When did Loyola complain? This threads gotten out of hand from the original question. It will be a great game I'm sure.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Same people who complain about how flawed the seeding is want those same higher seeds to always have home field.

And who would that be?

My complaint isn't about seeding. It's about a flawed classification system. There's a difference.

 

[flyers99]

How about giving the higher seed the option in round 1 to go on the road, thus giving them a greater chance of hosting playoff games in the later rounds?

The system is what it is. It's unfortunate when high seeds like LA and ESL have to travel two weeks in a row for the quarters and semis. IMO, it's a bigger deal to LA, since Duchon is such a home field advantage. Benet will do well to come within 4 TD's of the Flyers at Benedictine.

Dang!! You think it will be that big of a margin of victory for East Side against

 

[pjjp]

Dang!! You think it will be that big of a margin of victory for East Side against

As a program, Benet typically struggles with speed. IMO, this is a bad matchup for Benet.

 

[4Anorth(not4aFan)]

And this is the problem in America today "entitled" No one is entitled to anything unless they earned it. Man up and stop acting like a child that feels entitled to everything.

Never said anyone was entitled to anything and your playing in the same sandbox with this child...
In the IHSA football championship series is it not spelled out on how seeding works and how host teams are determined?Yes....no...?

It's not like they just made these rules up or anything.Talk about me manning up...Grow a set and quit complaining about rules that are and have been in place.