A beat writer that is scorned. Veazey ripped Nutt a new one yesterday on twitter questioning why there is so much depth problems for a coach going into his 4th year.
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A beat writer that is scorned. Veazey ripped Nutt a new one yesterday on twitter questioning why there is so much depth problems for a coach going into his 4th year.
If he had stucked with Stanley last year, he would be in much better shape going into this season. I said it before and I will say it again now, Nutt is a suck hole coach. Arkansas knew it butthe Mississippi Bearswere blinded. Hell they are still blinded. He might be a great motivator, great speaker but he is not a X and O guy. For someone who played QB in the SWC you would think he would know how to developed QB's but he can't. He just cannot coach! He did not care one way or another about the Mississippi Bears. He was using them to get to another job. He saw they had a lot of talent and he could win and build his resume. Things just have not turned out the way he wanted. He signed all these great players to Ole Miss, but all he did was signed. They can't get in and when they do, they drop out for what ever reason. I did not like nutt when he was at Arkansas and I sure don't like him now, but I hope he stays at Mississippi for another five years or more. It is pretty sad when your QB corp out numbers your Wide Recieving Corp and running back Corp. Hell he might have more QB's then WR and RB combined.
dawgstudent said:
Easy answer for Nutt, our 2007 class is providing us with only two 5th year seniors, though we did get a 6th year out of the 2006 bunch (Lockett).
Nutt's 2008 class generally sucked. It wasn't that bad on numbers, but it definitely is low on productivity.
His 2009 class has been alright, but not great and definitely not good enough to make up for the failings of the 2007 and 2008 classes.
And of course, the issues from those 3 classes led to a class that was heavy Juco this past year. That's why you can't afford to have a handful of classes in a row that aren't up to par. If you have a poor one, you better follow it up with a good one or else you'll be forced to back fill a few years later.
You are correct though, getting on Veazey's bad side isn't a good idea. It's really never a good idea with a beat writer or columnist, because they always get the last word, but it's definitely not a good idea with a columnist or beat writer that's not afraid to say what he pleases.
You arent going to be able to use that one much longer. Bruiser, you can make all the excuses you want, but it is completely inexcusable that a head coach with as much experience as Nutthas put himself in a position where he has to start true freshmen out of necessity in his 4th year in Oxford. Mullen, who hadabsolutely no head coaching experience prior to arring in Starkville and who was not exactly left with a bunch ofAll Americans when he arrived, was able to redshirt 19 or 20 freshmen last year in year 2.RebelBruiser said:
Hell you don't know. If you go by rivals or scout you got a good chance of getting your *** bit. You get some guy from a three A school who is not highly recruited but has untapped talent and now gets great coaching, you get someone like Bret Favre. There are 100's of two and three star recruits who are getting over looked due to the size of school or lack of good high school coaching. I am convince that a good college coach can get a extra star or two out of guys. Some coaches can and some coaches can't. I put Mullen in the can do category and I put Nutt in the Cannot category. Hell, if Croom had stayed at Miss State Relf would have never become the player he is today. Croom is also in the cannot category of coaching.
chew1095 said:
What true freshman is starting out of necessity? CJ Johnson won't likely be starting if that's what you're suggesting, unless he's just that good. It certainly won't be out of necessity unless we have even more injuries at LB. We had 5 LBs the coaches felt pretty good about. Now we have 4. CJ will likely be in the rotation if he lives up to his billing, but I don't think he'll be starting out of necessity. He'll start if he's some sort of freak though.
I said Nutt's 2008 class and the average result of his 2009 class are a big part of our issues. That doesn't exactly excuse him, unless you're saying he isn't responsible for his first two classes. It doesn't help that he doesn't have many 5th years, but that's not nearly as big a part of his issues, and the 2007 class isn't the reason we had to sign 7-8 Jucos in the 2011 class.
Nutt redshirted a ton of his first few classes too. I don't understand what that has to do with anything. You're able to redshirt players if your upper classes (recruited by the previous staff in your example) still have good numbers. Nutt redshirted a lot of his 2008 and 2009 classes because we had strong senior classes those years. If Croom's recruiting had been that awful toward the end, Mullen wouldn't have been able to redshirt many players in his second year.
It was a sad day when Veazey left the MSU beat. He is a great journalist that understands new media. He will be doing bigger and better things a la Sekou Smith in a few years. Marcello sucks. His writing is atrocious and puts me to sleep.
Did it suck when he uncovered the Pony and used Facebook? Yes. But that was his job. Good to see that he is doing his job in Oxford as well.
Did it suck when he uncovered the Pony and used Facebook? Yes. But that was his job. Good to see that he is doing his job in Oxford as well.
"And we’re at a point with our program where it’s hard for us to say ‘next’. We knew these next couple of years, starting with last year, when you lose that many seniors, the ‘Dexters’ group, it’s a building process. And you want to get to where you can always say ‘next’ and we’re not quite there yet. That’s why we’ll have to depend on some freshmen coming in that will have to play. You’d love to redshirt them but they’re going to have to play.”RebelBruiser said:
And if redshirting is not relevant for a discussion of depth issues, why did you start out your apologetic response stating that something to the effect that you only had 2 redshirt seniors from 2007?
chew1095 said:
Redshirting is relevant, but you only get to redshirt people if you have depth in your upper classes. We redshirted a lot under Nutt in the first couple years because we had some upper class depth. You did the same under Mullen. If he continues to have good depth in the upper classes, he'll continue to redshirt.
We're in a position of bringing in Jucos this year and using a good number of freshmen for depth because of our 2008 (bad) and 2009 (average) classes and in some part because of the lack of 5th years from the 07 class.
If the classes we have continue on this path, we'll be in position to redshirt a lot more people in 2012 and 2013 than this year. We just don't have depth in our upper classes this year. We should have more in 2012 and 2013, and we likely won't need nearly as much Juco help in either of those incoming classes.
if Croom were still here. Relf would be just as lost now as a QB as he was as a RFr. Don't know of any combination of coaches that could bungle the development of a QB like Sly and Woody. If you had a QB with the mind of Peyton Manning and the physical tools of Cam Newton I think those 2 might still screw him up.
He made some mistakes early (and wasn't all that good early) that pissed a lot of people off and they never got over it. But he worked his *** off and learned and by about 6 months to a year in, he was doing a great job. His blogs were always interesting and informative.
He's not looking to find sunshine to pump. He's looking for a story to tell. If a team or program has good stories, he'll tell them. That's why so many people still think Sekou was such a great beat writer for MSU: because we had a very successful football program at that time and there was lots of "good" to write about. Veazey didn't go looking for dirt on MSU. But when there was obvious dirt on the team or a coach or the program, he reported it. That's what a journalist does. I didn't like all I read from him, but not because it was from him. It was because I wish those things hadn't happened at all<div>
</div><div>I still find ithumorous that when KV got assigned to the Rebel beat many thought he had "made his way home" and would be a great sunshine pumper for Nutt and company. But he's still done his job and kept plugging along. I agree with you 615, I don't expect KV to be at the CL long term. Because I expect him to get a "better" position before too long.
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chew1095 said:
Possibly, but the ultimate problem you had with Jackie is that you let him stick around a year too long AND you followed up his forced resignation with a PR hire that compounded the problem.
I think the biggest transition Nutt is having to make is the media transition. In Arkansas, if you don't like the way a reporter is reporting on your program, or even if you don't like the hat they wore to your press conference, they get fired. Just ask Bobby Petrino.
In Mississippi, reporters have more freedom, because there are two schools in this state (USM doesn't count Rick Cleveland), and therefore there isn't a ground swell pushing for only fluff pieces for the respective school.
In Arkansas, if Veazey had reported what he did and Nutt/Boone had responded as they did, Veazey would've been reprimanded and told to toe the line by his boss, if he didn't get fired over it.
Fortunately in Mississippi, we don't have that, because it tends to make your fans that much more psychotic and out of touch with reality (Arkansas).
maroonmania said:
Don't you think part of that is the system? Ryan Mallet would not look good in Mullen's system, and Chris Relf would not look good in Bobby Petrino's system, but given the right style of QB, both Mullen and Petrino can make a QB look good.
it makes some sense, I'm still struggling to think of a QB that would work well in Croom/McCorvey's system. Maybe I'm trying to figure out what their system was in the first place since after three years we supposedly (according to Sly) only had about 50% of the playbook installed.
but with respect to Sly and Woody its just a matter that they were totally incompetent in teaching and developing the QB position specifically and the passing game in general. When you finish 5 straight years out of the NCAA Div 1 top 100 in total offense (there's only around 119 teams) then its just pure incompetence, not the fact that your personnel don't fit your system perfectly.
I also remember how that turned out.
Mullen didn't ***** or moan not one time, at least publicly, about the lack of talent Croom left and won 9 games in his second year.
Mullen didn't ***** or moan not one time, at least publicly, about the lack of talent Croom left and won 9 games in his second year.
On a serious not when Croom got here,how could he not have brought down the confidence of the kids that were already on the team. He pretty much said my team sucks the way itis. It is going to take a long time to get where we need to be. On the other hand Mullen never looked back and stayed focused on the future. I really do not know if I have ever heard him mention Croom's name.
better than Marcello, who I find very lazy.
Does Veazey eventually piss off enough people at Ole Miss that he completely loses access to all the coaches? At that point what does the Clarion Ledger do with him? He is not much good to them if all he can do is report on games he watches like every other fan.
I would think that Veazey could easily move to a bigger and better job with a better news outlet, he is a talented journalist and is not lazy, which I think is half of it.
Does Veazey eventually piss off enough people at Ole Miss that he completely loses access to all the coaches? At that point what does the Clarion Ledger do with him? He is not much good to them if all he can do is report on games he watches like every other fan.
I would think that Veazey could easily move to a bigger and better job with a better news outlet, he is a talented journalist and is not lazy, which I think is half of it.
of all the (experienced) coaches in the conference, he is the last one I'd want to coach for Bammer...<div>
</div><div>He's quite simply horrible... He's no more than an extra cheerleader.</div>
</div><div>He's quite simply horrible... He's no more than an extra cheerleader.</div>
Well, VZ has made it no secret that he eventually wants to move into more mainstream or political journalism while staying in state. So I would imagine you'll see him doing that later down the road.
with some SEC teams besides OM & MSU:
Are you aware Gene Chizik is going to be starting true freshmen @ Auburn this fall out of necessity?
I am not taking up for Nutt. I am just pointing out that there is more than one SEC coach who is willing to sacrifice the long term health of his football program for some short term glory.
Are you aware Gene Chizik is going to be starting true freshmen @ Auburn this fall out of necessity?
I am not taking up for Nutt. I am just pointing out that there is more than one SEC coach who is willing to sacrifice the long term health of his football program for some short term glory.
What Glory did the Masoli experiment bring? Stanley could have lead y'all to the same results and you would at least have a QB with one year under his belt.
Nutt's speech he game this year about him taking Ole Miss to the first back-to-back New Year's Day bowl's in 50years was very very Croomesque. I kept thinking that this guy is telling every UM alum to their face that he's better than Ole Miss and they should feel lucky just to have him. Serious shades of Croom.
Nutt's speech he game this year about him taking Ole Miss to the first back-to-back New Year's Day bowl's in 50years was very very Croomesque. I kept thinking that this guy is telling every UM alum to their face that he's better than Ole Miss and they should feel lucky just to have him. Serious shades of Croom.
Auburn has won a BCS national championship. Like it or not, they are now in the same sentence and conversation as LSU, Bama, Florida etc. Neither MSU nor Ole Missare in that same discussion. Ole Miss starting true freshmen out of necessity because Nutts program has been a revolving damn door is quite different than Czick starting true freshmen out of necessity coming on the heels of a national championship season.RonnyAtmosphere said:
...it's amazing how messageboard experts trot out the most ignorant arguments possible, then defend them to the death.
The same Auburn coach who paid almost a half a million dollars for a QB is now seeing his program decimated due to graduation & early departure. This same coach therefore will be forced to play true freshmen going into the 2011 season. Which means no Auburn fan is going to give a **** about a NC after Auburn loses this fall to the likes of Kentucky & Ole Miss.
Of course, it comes as no surprise that sixpackspeak.com would be the one place you would find people defending a scumbag like Gene Chizik.
The same Auburn coach who paid almost a half a million dollars for a QB is now seeing his program decimated due to graduation & early departure. This same coach therefore will be forced to play true freshmen going into the 2011 season. Which means no Auburn fan is going to give a **** about a NC after Auburn loses this fall to the likes of Kentucky & Ole Miss.
Of course, it comes as no surprise that sixpackspeak.com would be the one place you would find people defending a scumbag like Gene Chizik.