Whelp, Deville Smith officially gone...
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Looks like we'll have 5 scholarship players return next year - 3 of them being Wendell Lewis, Shaun Smith, and Rocquez Johnson.
Going to be a long year next year - especially if we don't have Gray and Pollard
Going to be a long year next year - especially if we don't have Gray and Pollard
bad path. I think the next thing we hear is he is transferring to JSU which will be the worst thing in the world for him. He will be back with his group of guys and he will end up having a lot more dizzy spells. I wish nothing but the best for him but somebody better take him under their wing quickly so he doesn't waste his life away. I really likedhow he hustled and how he could get to the lane and either shoot or dish it. Sure he was out of control but with maturity and coaching, he could've been a very good exciting point guard for us. Let's all hope he grows up quick and doesn't do anything to hurt his future.
Oh, and now Josh Gray and P.J. Hardwick became musts for next season. The next coach better get here soon and lock Josh in a room and convince him to still come to MSU and start as a freshman!
Oh, and now Josh Gray and P.J. Hardwick became musts for next season. The next coach better get here soon and lock Josh in a room and convince him to still come to MSU and start as a freshman!
..Sherrill leaves = leaves a disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
Croom leaves = leaves a disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
Polk leaves = leaves disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
Stansbury leaves = leaves disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
The MSU A.D. should start inserting in the contracts of MSU coaches that if you are quit or fired, & you leave your program in shambles, then you will be faced with a stiff financial penalty.
Croom leaves = leaves a disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
Polk leaves = leaves disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
Stansbury leaves = leaves disaster behind = years of rebuilding ahead.
The MSU A.D. should start inserting in the contracts of MSU coaches that if you are quit or fired, & you leave your program in shambles, then you will be faced with a stiff financial penalty.
Do you think that's a coincidence? Every one of those situations happened because MSU fans are so damn scared of firing coaches. They'd rather hang on to them and allow them to run the programs into the ground than do the right thing and relieve them of their duties. If Bury had been let go 2 seasons ago or even last year after the Hawaii debacle , it wouldn't be this bad. But just like every situation you mentioned, we'd rather wait till the program hits rock bottom before finally there is no choice but to make a change.
This is one of the reasons college basketball is done as a main stream American sport, outside of three weeks March and April. You just don't see this type of stuff in college football. Even elite programs like Kentucky and Duke have to rebuild their team every year due to players going pro or transferring. College basketball must go to the same rules as college baseball, go pro out of high school or go to college for 3 years. Without this there just can never be enough continuity in the sport to gain national foothold. This sport is dead and lost.
The good news is that,due to this system, we may suck next year, but with the right coach and good recruiting we could be right back to winning the following year.
I mean does anybody really get, understand, or feel passionate about college basketball anymore? Football players are on campus for 4 or 5 years, unless they are elite. They have a chance to learn to love the school and, due to that, the school feels like they are representing them. The student body RELATES to the football players. Can any of our students relate to our basketball players? Do they represent us?
The good news is that,due to this system, we may suck next year, but with the right coach and good recruiting we could be right back to winning the following year.
I mean does anybody really get, understand, or feel passionate about college basketball anymore? Football players are on campus for 4 or 5 years, unless they are elite. They have a chance to learn to love the school and, due to that, the school feels like they are representing them. The student body RELATES to the football players. Can any of our students relate to our basketball players? Do they represent us?
...MSU fans seem to adopt MSU coaches as father figures.
Then when it's time to fire daddy for being a failure, everybody runs & hides under the bed.
Which is why this procedure has to be removed from the hands of MSU fans & placed in the hands of a hardass A.D. who approaches wins/losses with the cold detachment of a CEO looking at a corporate spread sheet.
Then when it's time to fire daddy for being a failure, everybody runs & hides under the bed.
Which is why this procedure has to be removed from the hands of MSU fans & placed in the hands of a hardass A.D. who approaches wins/losses with the cold detachment of a CEO looking at a corporate spread sheet.
When the 17 did that happen? I feel like Rip Van Winkle here.
Either ive been asleep for 20 years or your post is riddled with opinion posing as fact.
Either ive been asleep for 20 years or your post is riddled with opinion posing as fact.
Exactly. And now that it's been done now in each of the big 3 sports, maybe fans will finally wake up. At some point you have to look at stats and trends and realize it's not going to turn around for a coach. Or at least it's not going to turn around fast enough to justify hanging on to him for season after season hoping it does.
Damn, so much for our touted 2011 recruiting class....sign 5, 2 remain, only 1 being remotely close to a good ball player; this is Nutt-esque
choices in life. He had potential to be a very good playmaker for our basketball program and I hate to see any kid have to go thru what he has regardless if it was out of his control or something he did. Here's hoping he gets it all figured out and lives a long healthy life hopefully playing basketball somewhere
Yea thats right! You must have been asleep, because outside of the 3 weeks of the tournament nobody give a crap nationally about college basketball. The sport is in shambles, but few realize it because ESPN only covers Duke, UNC, KY, and Syracuse. The problems at the youth level in this sport are endless. The sport is nowhere near what it used to, and perception is reality. Sorry to burst your bubble
So yeah we have 6. Though almost like 5 and a half since Zeidaks will miss most of the nonconference.
..we think any coach that has had national success at MSU has worked some kind of miracle and therefore should be allowed to stick around as long as they want. This applies to Stansbury, Sherrill, and Polk. In all three cases, the coaches got lazy and disinterested and/or tried to take shortcuts that backfired. Had we done what we needed to do when we needed to do it, we would've been in much better shape. Polk built a great baseball program and then sat around typing letters to the NCAA while it withered and he basically cancelled out what he had built. Same for Sherrill. Same for Rick.
We have got to get out of the mindset hat coaches that have a run of success deserve a lifetime contract. Sometimes those last couple of years just kill a program.
We have got to get out of the mindset hat coaches that have a run of success deserve a lifetime contract. Sometimes those last couple of years just kill a program.
RonnyAtmosphere said:
I will give you Sherrill.
However ifwe fired Croom a season earlier then we would have fired him after winning the Liberty Bowl. Should we have fired Polk shortly after taking us to Omaha?
Stansbury did not really deserve to be fired after the 2010-2011 season because that was his first truly awful season in a long timeand he had a good team returning and a good recruiting class with Hood and Smith. Of course it all turned to **** and he deserved to be fired this year but much of what you are saying is in hindsight.
I got it, you think the only college sport anyone cares about is football?
You are dead wrong, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
You are dead wrong, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
..may be in hindsight, but the trend can't be denied.
That's my point.
As a rule of thumb, when a MSU coach of any sport is fired or "moves on," said coach leaves behind a disaster than requires a multi-year rebuilding project.
All of that is based on empirical evidence.
The only modern-era outliers I can think of is when, over 20 years ago, Rocky Felker left Sherrill a full cupboard & when McMahon left over a decade ago? (I would have to research what condition McMahon left the baseball program in, but am too lazy).
That's my point.
As a rule of thumb, when a MSU coach of any sport is fired or "moves on," said coach leaves behind a disaster than requires a multi-year rebuilding project.
All of that is based on empirical evidence.
The only modern-era outliers I can think of is when, over 20 years ago, Rocky Felker left Sherrill a full cupboard & when McMahon left over a decade ago? (I would have to research what condition McMahon left the baseball program in, but am too lazy).
i cringe at the thought of that sideways hat of his, but he left us in a disaster? are you serious? you know that the team he would have been coaching the next year was a few inches away from a bowl game right? it's not that he left us in shambles, it's that he was just a 17in terrible coach.
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