Seriously, what else do you want? Sure, it's frustrating at times and disappointing at times, but honestly, what else do you want? Name a team that we're 100% confident we'll beat? Are you kidding me? So you only cheer at games where there's a 100% chance we're going to win? That makes perfect sense. It's hard to get really excited about these teams? We're 17 and freaking 4 and ranked 18th in the country!!! What more do you want?
When did the Hump turn into a nursing home?
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<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">If you don't think the last several years have been embarrassing and disappointing you haven’t been watching or you enjoy seeing a train wreck. Surely I don't need to list them all to make my point.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Have they played well this year? <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span>Yes, but my point is everyone has been conditioned to expect the worst because of the last several years.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></font></p>
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<span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">This isn’t football. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span>The SEC is not king.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>A mediocre conference record hasn’t cut it the last few years and won’t this year either.</span></p>
Get over yourselves and cheer on your team. It wouldn't matter if they had limited students to two sections of the rafters while I was there. Myself and a couple thousand others would still have been there 2 hours early and on our feet the whole game. Anything else is inexcusable. Get over yourselves and high five a stranger sometime.
You missed MY point that the fact the SEC is a very respectable league (whether ESPN wants to admit it or not), and you are worried about an epic meltdown, yet we are winning, ranked, and doing what we need to do to win very tough, close games, so that means you aren't gonna stand up and cheer for your team?? LSU isn't a pushover team... neither is anyone else left on our schedule, that should give you all the more reason to stand up and cheer your team on instead of sitting there and waiting for us to melt down. If you are gonna complain about last year's **** while we have the best team playing in recent memory, have lost 4 games, and have been ranked in the top 20 in the country since November, stay your *** at home and don't bother going to games.
You Sir are a freaking idiot. We had two bad years not "several". There are about 250 schools in the country that would love to be in our shoes right now. I suggest you give your tickets away and become a Duke fan if your standards are that high.GoodBourbon said:
Sad, lame, spoiled, offensive, and there are many others that apply. If the student body can't get excited and get behind a nationally ranked team that has lost just once & won 10 straight at home this season then they are truly hopeless. I just pray your attitude is in the minority. I mean lookit...how is winning basketball games not fun? No matter how it is accomplished?!?! I cannot believe you actually put us down because you think there is nobody on our schedule that is a sure win. Are you kidding me?!?!
I kind of lost interest last year when I didn't want our players to succeed anymore. It's hard to route for selfish, jackass players to succeed when most other teams we play are playing team basketball. When we have idiots fighting in the stands and players quitting on the team, you just stop yearning for them to win.<div>
</div><div>I want to care about MSU basketball, but I just don't care as much and I can't change that. I don't really want Sidney to succeed because I don't want anyone like him to have success.</div><div>
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</div><div>But, watching Rodney Hood and Arnett Moultrie is starting to make me perk up a bit. </div>
</div><div>I want to care about MSU basketball, but I just don't care as much and I can't change that. I don't really want Sidney to succeed because I don't want anyone like him to have success.</div><div>
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</div><div>But, watching Rodney Hood and Arnett Moultrie is starting to make me perk up a bit. </div>
I have from the beginning wanted to see him succeed. It is a damn shame that he went so long in life being that great atbasketballsolely on God given size and talent.Ithasbeen pretty clear that he had never been properly shown how to train or work hard to be a better basketball player.So when he had some adversity getting eligible to play and then packed on a ridiculous amount of weight, it compounded this issue.
Seeing signs of him turning it around, even though they have been slow to show up, makes me happy to know that all of that talent may not be wasted in the long run. Sure, I'd like to see him drop 25 lbs over a month of hard core training. Sure, I'd like for him to be in tip top condition right now. Sure, it would make me happy if he had the wind and work ethic to play better defense instead of having some really lazy plays happen. But not disregarding the fact that he has never worked for anything on the court up until two years agois the only way that I can live with where he is in his development. This doesn't mean I feel sorry for him in any way. I don't.
I hated the fight issue with him and was ready for him to be off the team but it didn't happen. So, if the coach will keep him around then I want him to develop into a great basketball player, period.
Seeing signs of him turning it around, even though they have been slow to show up, makes me happy to know that all of that talent may not be wasted in the long run. Sure, I'd like to see him drop 25 lbs over a month of hard core training. Sure, I'd like for him to be in tip top condition right now. Sure, it would make me happy if he had the wind and work ethic to play better defense instead of having some really lazy plays happen. But not disregarding the fact that he has never worked for anything on the court up until two years agois the only way that I can live with where he is in his development. This doesn't mean I feel sorry for him in any way. I don't.
I hated the fight issue with him and was ready for him to be off the team but it didn't happen. So, if the coach will keep him around then I want him to develop into a great basketball player, period.
17 the two little crews on the bottom of thebstudentbsections. They are embarrassing. 17 the candy man and his old friends. Go get real ticket and be a grown up. I don't understand why they think they can take the best seats of the student section. And before anyone says "Get there early and beat them to the seats"' it's impossible because they have normal tickets and get there first before students get in.
I, obviously, want to see us win. But, I don't want a person to get rich and win championships just because of his "god-given" talent.<div>
</div><div>I have never disliked a player so much from a team that I route for. I think he is turning it around a bit, but I still can't swallow the idea of a guy being on a team only because of talent. I have it on good authority that the coaches kept him on last year after the fight only because he was too talented to cut (and this seems pretty obvious). People like him are just bad for our society.</div>
</div><div>I have never disliked a player so much from a team that I route for. I think he is turning it around a bit, but I still can't swallow the idea of a guy being on a team only because of talent. I have it on good authority that the coaches kept him on last year after the fight only because he was too talented to cut (and this seems pretty obvious). People like him are just bad for our society.</div>
You and some others here are complaining about the "blue hairs" in the Hump. I'm 60 so I guess you would probably put me in that group, too. As the saying goes here, "You are and idiot." <div>msugolf said:
</div><div>You don't like it because some older people are sitting in the better seats. Fortunately for you, there is a solution for that. The Hump is re-seated each year. I sit in pretty good seats (Section 106 near the floor) because I give a lot of money to the Bulldog Club - not as much as some people, but as much as I can afford. If you want to sit in the seats that I have, all you have to do is to contribute more than me and then you'll have the privilege of choosing them before I do.</div><div>
</div><div>As for yelling, our group and the people around us (many of which have grey hair) yell - a lot. We cheer with the cheers that develop in the crowd and those that are started by the band. I come home hoarse after nearly every game - win or lose - from yelling. I thought I yelled a lot but there is a woman that sits directly behind me that yells at the officials on just about every play. Yelling has not been a problem, at least in our section.</div><div>
</div><div>If you are a young, physically-fit person, you have no problem standing for long periods of time and you should be thankful that you have that ability. Many older people (not me specifically) cannot. For you to berate them while not understanding their physical problems is short-sighted and ignorant. Grow up and try to be a little more understanding. If you have children at home, do you allow them to constantly stand between you and the tv, obstructing your vision, while you are trying to watch a game or do you stand up so you can see over them? That's what I thought. The same principle applies here.</div><div>
</div><div>I hope you go to as many football, basketball, and baseball games as I do. We buy season tickets every year and, even though we have to drive 45 miles one-way to get to Starkville, our attendance percentage is probably somewhere around 98% of home games. We support MSU, not only by yelling for our teams but monetarily as I hope you do.</div><div>
</div><div>Quit being a jackwagon and try to understand that the world does not live by your standards. Support MSU to the best of your ability and try to appreciate others, regardless of age, physical condition, or financial ability, who do so to the best of their ability.</div><div>
</div><div>Go Dawgs!!!</div>
If the people who want to stand and shout are constantly told to "sit down in front" by the peoplecan't stand up for long periods of time, does this not logically imply that those who are angry about people standing in front of them and yelling are indeed not undertanding that the world does not live by their standards?
I totally understand where you are coming from and I am not bashing your post at all. Just making a point. I know that people should respect the needs of others who aren't physically able. I also know that when going to a sporting event at a university that it should be expected to have people standing and shouting. So the question becomes "which party takes precedent?" The southern gentlemen in me says those who aren't able. The sports fanatic in me says they should expect to not be able to see to a certain degree. It's a tough question.
There a several reasons why our basketball crowds have SUCKED the last couple of years.For starters, the Hump has never been the same since they moved the student section from courtside and all the way up to the top of those sections. I understand why they did it, for money, but it took the air right out of the students. Back then, you were right on the court and could yell the absolute worst things at opposing players - and that was awesome because it pissed them off so bad that they got flustered. You felt like you were in the action at all times. When they split the students in two, everything went down hill and it hasn't been the same since, even if they have reunited the section again.
The Rowdies - plain and simple. They make our school look like inbreds on TV. Most of them don't have a damn CLUE about basketball, and as MSU124 said, you simply CANNOT get those seats before them because they use that 17'ing Candy Man to save them before anyone gets in. How old is that guy and why the 17 is he allowed to sit there?
I told a buddy last night that I thought I was watching a funeral - it was that pathetic. All excuses aside, though, something has to change. When Arkansas, Vandy, and OLE MISS are all twice (at least) as loud as the Hump you know there is a problem.
And screw anybody and everybody that pays for tickets and doesn't show up - you are only hurting the school.</p>
The Rowdies - plain and simple. They make our school look like inbreds on TV. Most of them don't have a damn CLUE about basketball, and as MSU124 said, you simply CANNOT get those seats before them because they use that 17'ing Candy Man to save them before anyone gets in. How old is that guy and why the 17 is he allowed to sit there?
I told a buddy last night that I thought I was watching a funeral - it was that pathetic. All excuses aside, though, something has to change. When Arkansas, Vandy, and OLE MISS are all twice (at least) as loud as the Hump you know there is a problem.
And screw anybody and everybody that pays for tickets and doesn't show up - you are only hurting the school.</p>
What happens when the best of one person's ability conflicts with the best of another?
As a student who couldn't really stand for an entire game I can empathize with not being physically able to do what most people would do. It's worse in football, when the students like to stand on the bleachers in front of them, taking your seat and hovering crown and coke over your head until they decide to sit down. It's also annoying when someone suggests you're less of a fan or less engaged in the game for not being able to do what they're doing or what they expect you to do. Most of the time I just sucked it up and took a break without watching, but that's easier to do when your ticket is free.
The bottom line is that this conflict will always happen at the Hump, and there's really not much that a seating arrangement can do about it. You can't really control who buys tickets where and what their preferred method of cheering will be. The AD has to control what they can when it comes to manufacturing the game experience. It seems like the negative mojo coming from the hype guy, commercials, PA announcer, student groups, etc. should be much more of a priority than trying to settle this type of thing.
As a student who couldn't really stand for an entire game I can empathize with not being physically able to do what most people would do. It's worse in football, when the students like to stand on the bleachers in front of them, taking your seat and hovering crown and coke over your head until they decide to sit down. It's also annoying when someone suggests you're less of a fan or less engaged in the game for not being able to do what they're doing or what they expect you to do. Most of the time I just sucked it up and took a break without watching, but that's easier to do when your ticket is free.
The bottom line is that this conflict will always happen at the Hump, and there's really not much that a seating arrangement can do about it. You can't really control who buys tickets where and what their preferred method of cheering will be. The AD has to control what they can when it comes to manufacturing the game experience. It seems like the negative mojo coming from the hype guy, commercials, PA announcer, student groups, etc. should be much more of a priority than trying to settle this type of thing.
Lower corner or baseline perhaps. You want to be in the lower level but can't stand for extended periods? Sit in the limited standing section. Everywhere else - no complaining about the standers.
Oh, and charge more the "benefit" of not having to stand.
Oh, and charge more the "benefit" of not having to stand.
Are you saying you would rather seeMSU losein a championship game because of your spite for Sidney? I am trying to wrap my brain around this.saltslugs said:
On a separate note (not aimed at you saltslugs)most ofthese "blue hairs"are more diehard Bulldogs than some on this board will ever be. Their generosity and support are what enabled us to build something like thenew practice facility and the upgrades to the Hump. They are the ones that are there for thoseOOC games that no one else can be bothered to show up for even $5 tickets. If you don't like it then give money to the Bulldog Club, buy tickets, and get your *** to the Hump and scream your head offotherwise quit yourwhining.
I hate it when then young Beatnick Faced whipper snappers get on my grass.
And it seems like every dog in the neighborhood craps in my front yard.
And they (whipper snappers) call the sherrif every time I shoot one of those damn dogs.
Hea!
I never thought about bringing my Kimber 1911 45 to the basketball games. That'ed make them kids sit down and shut up.
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And it seems like every dog in the neighborhood craps in my front yard.
And they (whipper snappers) call the sherrif every time I shoot one of those damn dogs.
Hea!
I never thought about bringing my Kimber 1911 45 to the basketball games. That'ed make them kids sit down and shut up.
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Do you call everyone you disagree with an idiot. All this guy issaying is that our fanbase is used to underachieving every single year. We do that. Every 17inyear. He's not saying that that is his excuse for notcheering. He is saying that's the reason you have seena drop in the general interest in basketball at MSU. And he's right. You sir are the idiot, because you don't read well.Hanmudog said:
Probably. I don't ***** because our team sucks though. Our team definitely doesn't suck. I ***** because we suck atfull court offense. I ***** because Sidney is out of shape. I ***** because no one listens to our coach in timeouts(getting better). I ***** because we start the stansbury stall too early and let the other team stay in the game. All valid complaints.Hanmudog said:
... or it is uncomfortable for them to do so. These people are in the extreme minority. My problem is with all the others who simply don't want to stand, who don't want to yell, and make it awkward for those of us who try our damnedest to make it loud.
I guess, I'm not one of those people that blindly supports all things Mississippi State. If you're a bad person, I hope you don't succeed. I'm not sure that Sidney is a pass person, but I certainly would lean in that direction.<div>
</div><div>Of course I want us to win championships. But, it's a littlesoberingto route for jackassery.</div>
</div><div>Of course I want us to win championships. But, it's a littlesoberingto route for jackassery.</div>
when i came to state in 1988, the first game i attended was heavy on the blue.
20+ years later, i understand why that is. hell, we will all be there one day. i wish it was like the duke crazies, but really... there aren't that many like that in any fan base.
as a student, we tried to change those things, the quiet hump... with everyone sitting on their hands. i don't know that i care who is at the game as long as they make some noise. frankly, i'm jealous of those that can be there game in and game out... those are the supporters that i wish i could be.
20+ years later, i understand why that is. hell, we will all be there one day. i wish it was like the duke crazies, but really... there aren't that many like that in any fan base.
as a student, we tried to change those things, the quiet hump... with everyone sitting on their hands. i don't know that i care who is at the game as long as they make some noise. frankly, i'm jealous of those that can be there game in and game out... those are the supporters that i wish i could be.
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">I never once said we shouldn’t cheer or only cheer if we might win.
The original question was, why is the enthusiasm down at the hump. I don’t think reseating has a damn thing to do with it. The same people are in the Hump. Are we supposed to believe that seating used to be optimized for maximum effectiveness and now everyone is just confused as to how they should cheer?
Fact - People cheer more when they are excited
Perception - People do not cheer like they used to in the Hump.
Conclusion - People are not as excited about MSU basketball as in years past.
How is this possible when we have a top 20 team? I don't really know that's why I made an observation.
I think it is because most fans have become accustomed to the frustrations that have plagued MSU basketball for the last few years and this tempers enthusiasm.</font></p>
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The original question was, why is the enthusiasm down at the hump. I don’t think reseating has a damn thing to do with it. The same people are in the Hump. Are we supposed to believe that seating used to be optimized for maximum effectiveness and now everyone is just confused as to how they should cheer?
Fact - People cheer more when they are excited
Perception - People do not cheer like they used to in the Hump.
Conclusion - People are not as excited about MSU basketball as in years past.
How is this possible when we have a top 20 team? I don't really know that's why I made an observation.
I think it is because most fans have become accustomed to the frustrations that have plagued MSU basketball for the last few years and this tempers enthusiasm.</font></p>
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In case any of you haven't noticed... we live in the south. This means that we care more about FOOTBALL. Whether you like it or not, the students want to watch football. Basketball is just a sport to fill up the time until football comes around again. And if you have a problem with the way the fans act during the game... BUY A 17ing tickets and come yourself. Don't just 17ing sit at home and watch it on TV and then criticize the students.
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Either the old-school center court opposite the bench, behind the media tables, or find a way to line the first ten rows with students all the way around the Hump.
and pretty much agree with everything you said. I have a chronic back problem ... no details needed but basically it prevents me from walking very far and standing very long ... the intense pain is literally debilitating. It's quite an accomplishment to even get to the stadium or the Hump (haven't been there in a while, but you have to walk uphill regardless of where you park). It's really impossible for a 20 year old student to empathize with people who have developed a physical problem over the years ... I know I never thought about it when I was a student, and never really gave it a second thought when I walked to class or anywhere else. But now, I dread the thought of walking more than a block.<div>
</div><div>I don't have a problem with students or anyone else jumping up in excitement for a big play. I do it too ... albeit a little slower than I once did. At the football games, the students are separated and they appear to stand during the entire game. That's fine ... I think it looks kinda neat. The only problem there is if a student has some sort of malady that prevents him from standing, but I've found that students generally are pretty accommodating for fellow students with some sort of disability.</div><div>
</div><div>So I think it's great if a person jumps up and shouts, but don't stand up and block someone's view constantly. That's just not being courteous. Older folks can be pretty crass with their "down up front" shouts, but there's a happy medium.</div><div>
</div><div>At the Music City Bowl, after I struggled to get to the stadium (only the equivalent of two blocks away ... easy for a normal person to walk) I could barely move. I had to sit for a while on one of the large flower pots to let my back decompress so it would stop squeezing the sciatic nerve, and then proceed to my seat (all the way on the other end of the stadium). And lo and behold, there was a fairly large guy a couple of rows in front of us who stood the entire time, for no reason. He finally realized he was blocking peoples' view and then did the normal "sit and jump" up thing. He wasn't trying to be rude, but was just unaware. There was another one that really bothered me though ... the guy on my left was nice, we talked, etc. But he had a buddy several seats down on the same row, who apparently hadn't seen him in a while, who walked down, stood right in front of me ("in my space", so to speak) and stood there for 10 or 15 minutes just chatting with the guy and catching up on old times. Both were 30ish. What the guy did was extremely rude ... no excuse for it.</div><div>
</div><div>At football, we sit in club level. A woman in front of us really doesn't like cowbells, and goes through all sorts of antics and body language to express her dislike. What I would say to her is ... get over it. You're at an MSU game and we use cowbells. Either grin and bear it, or wear some earplugs.</div><div>
</div><div>This completes my random thoughts in the wee hours of the morning.</div><div>
</div><div>It's true that most of us older alumni pay more to the BDC ... and it's logical. We make more money, and we've been contributing a longer time. But that doesn't give us the right to be rude to other fans who are enjoying themselves and unthinkingly do things we don't like, such as blocking our view.</div>
</div><div>I don't have a problem with students or anyone else jumping up in excitement for a big play. I do it too ... albeit a little slower than I once did. At the football games, the students are separated and they appear to stand during the entire game. That's fine ... I think it looks kinda neat. The only problem there is if a student has some sort of malady that prevents him from standing, but I've found that students generally are pretty accommodating for fellow students with some sort of disability.</div><div>
</div><div>So I think it's great if a person jumps up and shouts, but don't stand up and block someone's view constantly. That's just not being courteous. Older folks can be pretty crass with their "down up front" shouts, but there's a happy medium.</div><div>
</div><div>At the Music City Bowl, after I struggled to get to the stadium (only the equivalent of two blocks away ... easy for a normal person to walk) I could barely move. I had to sit for a while on one of the large flower pots to let my back decompress so it would stop squeezing the sciatic nerve, and then proceed to my seat (all the way on the other end of the stadium). And lo and behold, there was a fairly large guy a couple of rows in front of us who stood the entire time, for no reason. He finally realized he was blocking peoples' view and then did the normal "sit and jump" up thing. He wasn't trying to be rude, but was just unaware. There was another one that really bothered me though ... the guy on my left was nice, we talked, etc. But he had a buddy several seats down on the same row, who apparently hadn't seen him in a while, who walked down, stood right in front of me ("in my space", so to speak) and stood there for 10 or 15 minutes just chatting with the guy and catching up on old times. Both were 30ish. What the guy did was extremely rude ... no excuse for it.</div><div>
</div><div>At football, we sit in club level. A woman in front of us really doesn't like cowbells, and goes through all sorts of antics and body language to express her dislike. What I would say to her is ... get over it. You're at an MSU game and we use cowbells. Either grin and bear it, or wear some earplugs.</div><div>
</div><div>This completes my random thoughts in the wee hours of the morning.</div><div>
</div><div>It's true that most of us older alumni pay more to the BDC ... and it's logical. We make more money, and we've been contributing a longer time. But that doesn't give us the right to be rude to other fans who are enjoying themselves and unthinkingly do things we don't like, such as blocking our view.</div>
their students were right next to our section, between us and the field. Their students tended to stand all the time, and furthermore would stand on the bleachers to get just a bit higher. Their campus police were constantly making them stand back down on the concrete, presumably to give us MSU fans a better view of the field. It didn't bother me when they stood there ... when something happened in the game I'd just stand up. The kids never harassed us or gave us a problem (except for the one drunk co-ed who wanted to sit in my lap ... but that definitely was not a problem 
). The only problem was that most of them seemed to be so drunk that it was actually dangerous for them to be standing at all, let alone on top of the bleachers. Surprisingly, most of them didn't really seem to care when they lost to us.
). The only problem was that most of them seemed to be so drunk that it was actually dangerous for them to be standing at all, let alone on top of the bleachers. Surprisingly, most of them didn't really seem to care when they lost to us.- Status