When do we go with Surace?

satnom

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AK playing solid and should start every game until end of season. That being said, if RU is eliminated from a bowl and game is not competitive in the 4th qtr, AJ should get reps to see whether he’s the guy going into next season or whether RU needs to go starting qb portal hunting.

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I think it’s a fair question the OP has asked, but I think that if the biggest issue is the red zone performance, any quarterback we put there unless it’s somebody mobile and we plan to use their mobility is going to wind up with the same results. It isn’t like Athan can’t make all of a necessary throws in the red zone and it isn’t like we don’t have receivers who are capable of making difficult catches.

From my perspective, if you’re really not going to try all that hard to score in the red zone in a traditional offense, just do what Syracuse did to us years ago and come out in a triple option and get a couple of touchdowns lol.

Fair question? What’s fair about it? It’s not AK’s fault we’re losing. The D is bad. Legendarily so. It’s like a mirror of last year’s basketball team.
 

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I think a few series here and there make perfect sense but that is very different than yanking AK and giving Surace the reigns going forward because the season appears lost.
 

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Fair question? What’s fair about it? It’s not AK’s fault we’re losing. The D is bad. Legendarily so. It’s like a mirror of last year’s basketball team.

Completely agree with this. AK is averaging an additional 100 yards per game (2025 - 322, 2024 - 201 ) in Big 10 play over last year. Plus his completion percentage is 8 points higher, 61,3% versus 52.9%.
 
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Completely agree with this. AK is averaging an additional 100 yards per game (2025 - 322, 2024 - 201 ) in Big 10 play over last year. Plus his completion percentage is 8 points higher, 61,3% versus 52.9%.
What if we had given Surace a possession to manage in each Big Ten games and his completion percentage was 70% in Big Ten play.. what would everyone be saying now?

Sure, AK is much improved.. really since November of last year. Which got us an bowl game and extra practice.. for those players that were here. But we really do not know what Surace could bring.

And yet, we like what AK has given us. As other point out, the D is the reason for losses. And we find fault with some playcalling.. but there is also flaws in AK's game. Flaws that, perhaps, Surace can solve. And then, you'd have to imagine the coaches that see these two every day would make the right decision. They know a lot more about it. And yet again, we have seen cases where injuries cause personel changes at all levels of football and we see the guy from the bench outplay the guy who had been the starter.. with all kinds of experience on professional coaching staffs.

So, yeah, give Surace the first possession in the second half. That's what we should do.
 
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Absolutely not. Just an asinine thing to do. Are you trying to win the game or not?
Why is it assinine? Before you use a word like assinine, how about remembering how our second half first series have gone? Not well, will be the answer you find. So, why not? In recent games the D have knocked down more and more of AK's passes.. why not switch it up, make it harder to read teh QB (because it is a different QB). "Assinine".. really now. In his limited play this year AJ is 4/7 57% with 2 TDs playing with 2nd team players.
 
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They don’t get that one series isn’t enough as QBs need to get into a rhythm.
And yet we expect teh first series of the game to go well, don't we? And they have. Probably because it is a well-practiced script.

Getting the backup more experience is a good thing to do. There's lot of reasons to do it... and to claim doing it is akin to "not trying to win the game" is ridiculous.
 

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Why is it assinine? Before you use a word like assinine, how about remembering how our second half first series have gone? Not well, will be the answer you find. So, why not? In recent games the D have knocked down more and more of AK's passes.. why not switch it up, make it harder to read teh QB (because it is a different QB). "Assinine".. really now. In his limited play this year AJ is 4/7 57% with 2 TDs playing with 2nd team players.

Against 2nd team defenses
 

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What if we had given Surace a possession to manage in each Big Ten games and his completion percentage was 70% in Big Ten play.. what would everyone be saying now?

Sure, AK is much improved.. really since November of last year. Which got us an bowl game and extra practice.. for those players that were here. But we really do not know what Surace could bring.

And yet, we like what AK has given us. As other point out, the D is the reason for losses. And we find fault with some playcalling.. but there is also flaws in AK's game. Flaws that, perhaps, Surace can solve. And then, you'd have to imagine the coaches that see these two every day would make the right decision. They know a lot more about it. And yet again, we have seen cases where injuries cause personel changes at all levels of football and we see the guy from the bench outplay the guy who had been the starter.. with all kinds of experience on professional coaching staffs.

So, yeah, give Surace the first possession in the second half. That's what we should do.
First possession of the second half is considered the most important possession of the game. So you’re going to give the most important possession to an inexperienced qb just to give him game time experience?
 
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First possession of the second half is considered the most important possession of the game. So you’re going to give the most important possession to an inexperienced qb just to give him game time experience?
we have been failing at it.. have you not noticed?

Here's the logic:

1st quarter start.. we are on fire with AK running a script with well-practiced plays.

3rd quarter: We do not re-run that opening script.. not that doing so would succeed, the D having time to adjust, having seen those plays. But what we call has been failing.

So, what if we have a new well-practiced script with Surace at QB. Suppose Surace is 90% of what AK is running such a well-practiced script. It will be much better than what we have been seeing.

If you want to blame the OC and tell teh OC to do a better job in teh 3rd quarter, fine.. but the idea of using Surace running a well-practiced script is far from "assinine".
 
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we have been failing at it.. have you not noticed?

Here's the logic:

1st quarter start.. we are on fire with AK running a script with well-practiced plays.

3rd quarter: We do not re-run that opening script.. noit that doing so would succeed the D having time to adjust having seen those plays. But we we call has been failing.

So, what if we have a new well-practiced script with Surace at QB. Suppose Surace is 90% of what AK is running such a well-practiced script. It will be much better than what we have been seeing.

If you want to blame the OC and tell teh OC to do a better job in teh 3rd quarter, fine.. but the idea of using Surace running a well-practiced script is far from "assinine".
Yep I’ve been watching. But I also know how important the middle 8 are. We are not failing because of AK. We are failing because of preparation and scheme. The other team makes adjustments and are prepared we are not.
Where did I say anything about asinine? But it’s pretty accurate.
 
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And was it the QBs fault?
the buck stops there, right? you tell me why we fail at it. I told you why I think having a well-practiced script that the D has not seen with a QB they have not seen would be good. Now you tell me why we have failed in the 3rd quarter.
 

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We should not stop with the QB: we should put the whole 2nd team offense in, they need practice reps also, right?
Only if they get a separate well practiced script. Spoken like someone that has never played a team sport. Much less a contact sport.
 
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Yep I’ve been watching. But I also know how important the middle 8 are. We are not failing because of AK. We are failing because of preparation and scheme. The other team makes adjustments and are prepared we are not.
Where did I say anything about asinine? But it’s pretty accurate.
And I offer a solution to preparation and scheme.

For this to not be a reasonable idea you'd have to assume our backup QB is crap. IThat is AK gets hurt and we have to go to him we are doomed. Is he crap?

Yeah.. you can say we need better preparation and scheme and halftime adjustments.. so what's your solution to that while keeping AK at QB at teh start of the 3rd quarter? Replace the OC.. have some backup OC plan the start of the 2nd half? Hell, I'd be happy with AK making the calls down on the field. That would be less predictable than what we have been doing.

I still like my Surace idea. Maybe there's a limit as to how many scripts AK and the offense can handle. Hmm.. maybe we can go to the two-minute drill script to start the second half. that would be unexpected by a D and well-practiced by our team and have AK at QB.

We have to try *something* different.
 

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And I offer a solution to preparation and scheme.

For this to not be a reasonable idea you'd have to assume our backup QB is crap. IThat is AK gets hurt and we have to go to him we are doomed. Is he crap?

Yeah.. you can say we need better preparation and scheme and halftime adjustments.. so what's your solution to that while keeping AK at QB at teh start of the 3rd quarter? Replace the OC.. have some backup OC plan the start of the 2nd half? Hell, I'd be happy with AK making the calls down on the field. That would be less predictable than what we have been doing.

I still like my Surace idea. Maybe there's a limit as to how many scripts AK and the offense can handle. Hmm.. maybe we can go to the two-minute drill script to start the second half. that would be unexpected by a D and well-practiced by our team and have AK at QB.

We have to try *something* different.
The issue is we get away from successful plays and schemes too soon. **** if the opening script works call the same script again for all I care. We get away from success to soon. How many times last year did we follow up a Monangai run dominant scoring drive to come out with pass heavy next drive. Happened very frequently.

Barring injury or blowout the time to get Surace meaningful reps has past. He should have been given significant prep in the 3 earlier games. Even Ohio.
Do you know how much time it would take to prepare a script. Practice that script. And implement that script? That’s significant time taking away from regular game prep. We are talking a full day of practice with the 1’s. At this time of the season that is deadly.
 

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For this to not be a reasonable idea you'd have to assume our backup QB is crap. IThat is AK gets hurt and we have to go to him we are doomed. Is he crap?

I don't understand why you're not advocating for the whole 2nd team offense to be in. Are you saying they're crap? The backup left guard is an injury away from playing, are we doomed if we have to go to him?
 

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the buck stops there, right? you tell me why we fail at it. I told you why I think having a well-practiced script that the D has not seen with a QB they have not seen would be good. Now you tell me why we have failed in the 3rd quarter.
It has nothing to do with the QB or any player on the field. Kirk is calling the same plays the defense has adjusted to and they are easy to sniff out. It was very apparent against UW last week. He needs to call 1 or 2 things not on film yet and throw the defense off.

It’s why their effectiveness goes down dramatically after the scripted plays. He should be doing better given his experience and paycheck.
 
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I don't understand why you're not advocating for the whole 2nd team offense to be in. Are you saying they're crap? The backup left guard is an injury away from playing, are we doomed if we have to go to him?
I am not... that's why you don't understand it. AJ has to practice the 2nd half script with teh 1st team O. We do not need screwups because QB changed.

Ohhh.. I see the rhetoric angle now.. no, that doesn't work... your rhetoric. You have done better than that.

Well, I have said my piece. Explained it. That's good enough for me.
 

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It has nothing to do with the QB or any player on the field. Kirk is calling the same plays the defense has adjusted to and they are easy to sniff out. It was very apparent against UW last week. He needs to call 1 or 2 things not on film yet and throw the defense off.

It’s why their effectiveness goes down dramatically after the scripted plays. He should be doing better given his experience and paycheck.
You mean like wheel routes to the running back or passes to the tight end up the seam?
 
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Haven’t really seen the TEs downfield much at all.

Was Raymond’s TD catch a wheel route? Didn’t really see what type of route he ran.

Yes Raymond’s was a wheel route

Raymond had 20 yard catch vs Minnesota and we never tried it again

Having 2 nfl WR can help open up the entire field , Athan is having a great year , I just wish he was just a tad bit more mobile.

He could devastate defense by scrambling for a few more 3rd and 7’s. Yes it’s nit picky but I would like to be more then just 3-3 , defense has been bad , saying that one more score gets us 2 more W’s
 

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I think it’s a fair question the OP has asked, but I think that if the biggest issue is the red zone performance, any quarterback we put there unless it’s somebody mobile and we plan to use their mobility is going to wind up with the same results. It isn’t like Athan can’t make all of a necessary throws in the red zone and it isn’t like we don’t have receivers who are capable of making difficult catches.

From my perspective, if you’re really not going to try all that hard to score in the red zone in a traditional offense, just do what Syracuse did to us years ago and come out in a triple option and get a couple of touchdowns lol.
The fact that RU has 2 big WRs who can't be covered unless they're interfered with and the OC is calling runs up the middle is a large part of the problem.
 

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The D is a disaster of epic proportion and there has to be accountability for that across the board. No team gets to the QB and then lets him scramble away and make a play more than use. If that were a stat, we’d have to be breaking the NCAA record for it. Or close to it. Pacheco That’s not coaching, scheme, talent specifically - I don’t know what it is. It just stinks.
One big change UCLA made by the interim coach is he fired the defensive coordinator 2 games ago and brought in the DC from Fresno and overnight revamped the D and had 2 big wins