When does UNC's time come?

dynastydreamuk

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SMU, Syracuse, Louisville .... all serving their time.

When does UNC?

I'm sure UNC loves all the attention the louisville scandal is getting.
Louisville's scandal sounds worse because it deals with escort etc...

But on a cheating influence level, what UNC has gotten away with for 20 years or so is worse.
 

barnabus_c2001

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UNC needs to be punished now gone on long enough they have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar.If the sanctions dont come the ncaa might as well disband cause they will have no place to hide from now on.
 
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westerncat

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Have been wonder the same thing. This has been drug out for a long time. The longer it takes I think they get by with little to nothing done to UNC***. How long doe it take to come to a decision ?
 

dynastydreamuk

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Unc found minor crap to throw on top of it all over the summer just to delay the ncaa even longer. It was basically done because they thought a title in basketball was possible this year


That is so ridiculous if true. The system of cheating is absurd. About the the delay I remember reading something like that, They got a NOA so that means there has to be some sort of punishment right?
 

spotter34

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The NCAA is probably aggravated that UL publicly laid out their own sanctions since this will cause many to expect them to make their own penalties soon. Then that leaves UNC as the most visible investigation still going on. I think they would prefer to keep dragging their "heels" on UNC. I think they are now praying something else pops up with another school so they can focus on that.
 
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wildcat1515

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Have been wonder the same thing. This has been drug out for a long time. The longer it takes I think they get by with little to nothing done to UNC***. How long doe it take to come to a decision ?

Totally agrees, the longer it takes the more loopholes they will find and it won't affect the basketball program in hardly anyway. And Ole Roy will be saying "By Gum, I told you we did nothing wrong"
 

Graves51

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probably never, are you kidding, UNC and Duke are the prima donnas they are not going to be punished. Would have already happened if it was going to. Hope I am wrong.
 

hotelblue

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at some point some one will call out the fat *** baby blue elephant in the room of our college basketball season 15-16. the cheats suck.

i'm gonna ninja cut off the mullet family's hairdos.
 

katwest

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The NCAA is so mad at North Carolina, Louisville will get twice the punishment they would have gotten if Carolina had stayed clean.
 
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Was just listening to XM Radio's College Sports Nation and the 2 commentators were asking some of the same questions we have about WHEN will the NCAA act on the UNC situation?

It's the 1st time I've heard a national media source take the NCAA to task over UNC. They were amazed that no action has been taken when the things that went on there are definitely severe.

Hope this story gets more and more exposure as the UofL situation grows.
 

crazyy8s

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At this risk of sounding ridiculous, what NCAA rules did UNC violate? (Really, show me the rules, not just argue that what they did was atrocious and should be against NCAA rules). What UNC has done is awful, but I'm not so sure it is as clear-cut as we want it to be. Is there a rule against having ridiculously easy classes? Is there a rule against grading papers super easily. Is there a rule against suggesting certain classes to athletes? It seems to me that an accrediting board should be reviewing the atrocious academic standards more so than the NCAA. If the university nullifies the grades from those classes in order to protect the academic standing of the university, then the NCAA should absolutely come in and rule everybody ineligible whose eligibility was dependent upon those classes. In the mean time, it looks to me like the NCAA would have to act outside of their own rules (which they very well may do) in order to drop the hammer on them.
 
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J_Dee

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That is so ridiculous if true. The system of cheating is absurd. About the the delay I remember reading something like that, They got a NOA so that means there has to be some sort of punishment right?

"UNC Reports New NCAA Infractions, Likely Delaying Punishment Until After NCAA Tournament, Signing Day":

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/8/14/9154911/unc-academics-scandal-punishment-delay

That article links to another article, about the NOA. The conclusion, if you don't want to read it:

"Everyone directly involved with the UNC scandal has made little attempt to hide the fact that they'd welcome any avenue that would make this whole thing go away as quickly and quietly as possible. The quickly part may have gotten sidetracked, but the quiet end that we all should have seen coming now appears to be inevitable."
 

crazyy8s

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I understand why those rules sound like they should cover UNC's academic conduct, but I'm really not sure they do break those rules. Can you show me the language of the rules (I'm trying to find it myself) that demonstrates that having easy academic standards for certain classes with a lot of athletes in them is "lack of institutional control". Is it impermissible for an athlete (or even a ton of them for many years) to be enrolled in classes with incredibly low academic standards? I understand your anger with UNC, I'm just not fully convinced the NCAA really has as firm of a case as we want them to. Does the NCAA really have the authority to say that an accredited university's classes aren't hard enough to meet NCAA standards?
 
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crazyy8s

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If what UNC has done is not an NCAA violation, then there is no need for an NCAA anymore.

I understand that feeling. The reality is sometimes/organizations exploit loopholes. I'd argue that a more logical solution would be to close up loopholes that have been exploited so that they don't happen in the future. I don't agree with punishing institutions for violating rules that aren't even on the books.

If UNC can successfully argue that these benefits were something afforded to all students, not specifically athletes, it's not impermissible benefits. If they are not impermissible benefits, then it's extremely difficult to argue they didn't have a system in place to ensure there weren't impermissible benefits ("lack of institutional control"). I'm not saying UNC has found a loophole. I'm not saying that they aren't impermissible benefits. It they are impermissible benefits, then lack of institutional control seems to be an easy conclusion. I really am just trying to balance out the thoughts that this is a slam dunk, no-brainer for the NCAA. It looks like a duck. It walks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. It just seems like at times we have an extremely narrow interpretation of a duck.
 

crazyy8s

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Ok. Somebody named "uncfan in ky" just liked one of my posts, so I need to stop arguing that side.

UNC has acted like scum throughout all of this. From all reasonable conclusions, they sacrificed the integrity of their academic institution (something they are all too proud to brag about) for athletic success. If their conduct does happen to fit into some sort of loophole, it is in no way because they are clean, just that they were dirty in the right ways so nobody could make it stick. If UNC gets the death penalty, I wouldn't feel like they were wronged in any way shape or form. I'm just afraid UNC may have done just enough to make it hard on the NCAA.
 

MdWIldcat55

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I understand why those rules sound like they should cover UNC's academic conduct, but I'm really not sure they do break those rules. Can you show me the language of the rules (I'm trying to find it myself) that demonstrates that having easy academic standards for certain classes with a lot of athletes in them is "lack of institutional control". Is it impermissible for an athlete (or even a ton of them for many years) to be enrolled in classes with incredibly low academic standards? I understand your anger with UNC, I'm just not fully convinced the NCAA really has as firm of a case as we want them to. Does the NCAA really have the authority to say that an accredited university's classes aren't hard enough to meet NCAA standards?
UNC-Cheats has already been charged with lack of institutional control. It was in the allegations handed down by the NCAA. And you are confusing easy classes with classes that were fraudulent. Read the Wainstein report for a start if you really confused about this.
 

Stenchymouse

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Fraudulent classes ARE impermissible benefits!

Anyone arguing that UNC didn't break "NCAA" rules should look no further than Penn St...

What "NCAA" rules did THEY violate?

The NCAA does what it wants, to who it wants, when it wants.

They are a rogue institution.
 

dynastydreamuk

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UNC-Cheats has already been charged with lack of institutional control. It was in the allegations handed down by the NCAA. And you are confusing easy classes with classes that were fraudulent. Read the Wainstein report for a start if you really confused about this.


Thank you... they were not just easy classes...the report showed that..they were fake fraudulent classes correct

My troll radar was dinging with crazy8s
 

dynastydreamuk

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Fraudulent classes ARE impermissible benefits!

Anyone arguing that UNC didn't break "NCAA" rules should look no further than Penn St...

What "NCAA" rules did THEY violate?

The NCAA does what it wants, to who it wants, when it wants.

They are a rogue institution.


good post.

I dislike UNC, and I think they should pay just like every other school that has got caught has had to pay the price.

Even if they go unpunished, there are many other college basketball fans like me that will bring up the mass years of cheating anytime college basketball and cheating is a topic. This will not go away for them or espn. ( I very much so believe ESPN is in cahoots with their UNC alumni ceo to keep it quiet)
 

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At this risk of sounding ridiculous, what NCAA rules did UNC violate? (Really, show me the rules, not just argue that what they did was atrocious and should be against NCAA rules). What UNC has done is awful, but I'm not so sure it is as clear-cut as we want it to be. Is there a rule against having ridiculously easy classes? Is there a rule against grading papers super easily. Is there a rule against suggesting certain classes to athletes? It seems to me that an accrediting board should be reviewing the atrocious academic standards more so than the NCAA. If the university nullifies the grades from those classes in order to protect the academic standing of the university, then the NCAA should absolutely come in and rule everybody ineligible whose eligibility was dependent upon those classes. In the mean time, it looks to me like the NCAA would have to act outside of their own rules (which they very well may do) in order to drop the hammer on them.
- They were not "easy" classes, they were fake classes. For example, classes listed as "Lecture" classes but which actually never met. That is against the rules.
- Grading papers super easily for athletes, but not for all other students, is an impermissible benefit.
- Numerous papers were graded by a staff member. Not a professor, not a TA, not anyone in any way a part of the faculty. That is against the rules.
- There is a difference between suggesting classes and steering student- athletes into fake classes.
- UNC cheated and gained an unfair athletic advantage through their cheating. And they did it for over 20 years. And they did it with the complicity of myriad coaches, athletics department employees, faculty and staff. And they lied about it. And they tried to cover it up. The NCAA has smashed programs for far less, and they'd better do it here too.
 
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Don't hold your breath for Ooompa Loompa to act.

 

crazyy8s

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I've read articles about the NOA. In fact, I've read the NOA. There is a ton of information, including content from numerous emails where athletes are specifically discussed. There are records of accommodations being made to allow athletes to get better grades. What UNC was doing was academically awful, and certainly has the appearance of being geared towards benefitting athletes the most. The NCAA has accused them of that (thus the Notice Of Accusations). Remember, accusations are not convictions. UNC officials have had and will have an opportunity to defend themselves. I'm just telling you, the whole argument is based on proving that the benefits were impermissible benefits (benefits not available to other students), and that's not as easy to prove when half the students in these "fraud" classes were not athletes. Do we know for sure that these classes didn't offer similar kinds of accommodations to traditional students who need to raise their grades? If similar accommodations were made for non-athletes, this might become an issue of a bad academic institution that needs to be punished by academic authorities, not an athletic issue that needs to be punished by an athletic authority. UNC has a defense in this case. I hope it's not good enough of one, but the NCAA actually has a decision to make, and there are solid points on both sides.

As far as the NCAA's handling of Penn State, I think the NCAA way overstepped their bounds. That's the kind of power I don't want the NCAA to have. With that said, I fully agree with the court systems prosecuting those involved to the fullest extent of the law. They deserve prison, not a football team on probation. I want an NCAA that enforces the rules on the books as violations can be adequately proven (no more no less).

P.S. - I know I'm being divisive here. I've been wrongfully accused of being a fan of other schools a few times in my short time on this board (since Friday). I just try to think through all sides of things instead of immediately taking the fan-boy conclusion. That leads me to play the devils advocate sometimes since most people articulate only one side of the argument on these threads.
 

LadyCaytIL

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Maybe because you are a fan of another team? You not being able to help yourself in defending your favorite school is what doomed you so get another account and troll smarter next time
 
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awf

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At this risk of sounding ridiculous, what NCAA rules did UNC violate? (Really, show me the rules, not just argue that what they did was atrocious and should be against NCAA rules). What UNC has done is awful, but I'm not so sure it is as clear-cut as we want it to be. Is there a rule against having ridiculously easy classes? Is there a rule against grading papers super easily. Is there a rule against suggesting certain classes to athletes? It seems to me that an accrediting board should be reviewing the atrocious academic standards more so than the NCAA. If the university nullifies the grades from those classes in order to protect the academic standing of the university, then the NCAA should absolutely come in and rule everybody ineligible whose eligibility was dependent upon those classes. In the mean time, it looks to me like the NCAA would have to act outside of their own rules (which they very well may do) in order to drop the hammer on them.

It has been proven that they were "given good grades in fake classes". They used these "fake" grades to stay eligible. It wasn't "easy classes" as you state. In most cases there were no classes!
 

crazyy8s

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Maybe because you are a fan of another team? You not being able to help yourself in defending your favorite school is what doomed you so get another account and troll smarter next time

You are welcome to draw that conclusion, but feel free to read my other comments and/or continue to follow my comments going forward if you'd like to form a more well-rounded opinion.
 

preacherfan

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I understand why those rules sound like they should cover UNC's academic conduct, but I'm really not sure they do break those rules. Can you show me the language of the rules (I'm trying to find it myself) that demonstrates that having easy academic standards for certain classes with a lot of athletes in them is "lack of institutional control". Is it impermissible for an athlete (or even a ton of them for many years) to be enrolled in classes with incredibly low academic standards? I understand your anger with UNC, I'm just not fully convinced the NCAA really has as firm of a case as we want them to. Does the NCAA really have the authority to say that an accredited university's classes aren't hard enough to meet NCAA standards?

Good grief! Seriously, Can you be any more obvious? They are FRAUDULENT classes designed to keep athletes eligible. Do you understand that?
 
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LadyCaytIL

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You are welcome to draw that conclusion, but feel free to read my other comments and/or continue to follow my comments going forward if you'd like to form a more well-rounded opinion.

And like anything round , it would just circle back to where we started with you being a UNC fan
 
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