When will coaches stop icing kickers?
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I think it has more of the timing to do with icing the kicker...
If you're going to ice him, make sure he doesn't get to kick the "practice" field goal.
Let them line up, get into position... but before the linemen squat down to get ready, call the timeout.
If you're going to ice him, make sure he doesn't get to kick the "practice" field goal.
Let them line up, get into position... but before the linemen squat down to get ready, call the timeout.
Yea, but what Quaors and Hump are saying is that statistically, it actually puts you at a disadvantage to call a timeout to try to "ice" a kicker. Check out this quote from the WSJ:
"Since 2000, NFL kickers made 77.3% of field goals in the final two minutes or overtime when no timeout was called before the kick. But when a timeout was called, kickers made 79.7% of these field goals, no matter the distance."
Here's the whole article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704129204575506112194098670.html
And numbers that go back further back this up, too. Icing the kicker, statistically, does not work. Period.
"Since 2000, NFL kickers made 77.3% of field goals in the final two minutes or overtime when no timeout was called before the kick. But when a timeout was called, kickers made 79.7% of these field goals, no matter the distance."
Here's the whole article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704129204575506112194098670.html
And numbers that go back further back this up, too. Icing the kicker, statistically, does not work. Period.
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It's one of those things where every fan is mad that the coach didn't ice the kicker if he didn't or they're mad he iced the kicker like today.
Not exactly
I'd say that fans are significantly more mad in a situation like today than any other possibility. Plus, like it's been said already, it's statistically a dumb move.
I'd say that fans are significantly more mad in a situation like today than any other possibility. Plus, like it's been said already, it's statistically a dumb move.
didn't Dan fake the "ice move" a year or two ago?
That's the move to make - pull the ref over there, tell him "I'm not really going to call a timeout" and have that kicker wondering the whole time if his kick is for real or not. The point is to distract, make the kicker think about what he's doing rather than the automatic response, and that's the best way to do it.
That's the move to make - pull the ref over there, tell him "I'm not really going to call a timeout" and have that kicker wondering the whole time if his kick is for real or not. The point is to distract, make the kicker think about what he's doing rather than the automatic response, and that's the best way to do it.
No...
That 2% is just coincidence, no matter what the article says. All this stat shows is that icing the kicker doesn't make a difference. You're not doing yourself a favor by icing, but you're not doing yourself one by not icing either.
That 2% is just coincidence, no matter what the article says. All this stat shows is that icing the kicker doesn't make a difference. You're not doing yourself a favor by icing, but you're not doing yourself one by not icing either.
Obviously it's not statistically significant that the icing makes it more likely to make. It IS statistically significant that the icing doesn't accomplish its goal of preventing the make.
You can find stats for & against. Just depends on who is doing the research and what they want the outcome to be.
Here's one from ESPN that basically says you're better off not icing on a kick during the final 10 seconds.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/34217/icing-the-kicker-remains-ineffective-practice
But this one here from ESPN shows stats that icing has actually been effective in overtime games.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/52330/nfl-fans-asked-stats-info-answered-2
My opinion is you have to take it on a case-by-case circumstance. If a team is rusing to get the crew on the field for a last second FG or you're dealing with a veteran kicker - I say no timeout. If it's a young kicker and they've already had time to prepare (the offense was running a few plays to center up the ball & run down clock) I'd take a chance & ice him.
Here's one from ESPN that basically says you're better off not icing on a kick during the final 10 seconds.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/34217/icing-the-kicker-remains-ineffective-practice
But this one here from ESPN shows stats that icing has actually been effective in overtime games.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/52330/nfl-fans-asked-stats-info-answered-2
My opinion is you have to take it on a case-by-case circumstance. If a team is rusing to get the crew on the field for a last second FG or you're dealing with a veteran kicker - I say no timeout. If it's a young kicker and they've already had time to prepare (the offense was running a few plays to center up the ball & run down clock) I'd take a chance & ice him.
I saw it work once, but it was raining for most of the game and the rain let up when it came time for the kick. The coach called TO and the downpour started back up. The kicker missed his kick.