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When will Mullen beat a Top 20 team? Is 2013 the year?

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fishwater99

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He is 0-15 vs the Top 20 and 5-21 vs Teams with 8 wins or more..
Can Mullen finally get the first Big upset we are all looking for?
It's a plus that he does seem to beat the really bad teams(remember The Maine).
I don't see how we win more than 6 or 7 games this upcoming season.
I fully expect OSU to beat us to start the season..
I see 6-6 and a Bowl game, I guess I should be happy we are a Baseball School again...

#hailstate
 
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So you're saying we beat LSU. Bama ain't happening unless the first 2 strings miss the game with the flu.
 
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MedDawg

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Misleading...

fishwater99 said:
He is 0-15 vs the Top 20 and 5-21 vs Teams with 8 wins or more..
Can Mullen finally get the first Big upset we are all looking for?
It's a plus that he does seem to beat the really bad teams(remember The Maine).
I don't see how we win more than 6 or 7 games this upcoming season.
I fully expect OSU to beat us to start the season..
I see 6-6 and a Bowl game, I guess I should be happy we are a Baseball School again...

#hailstate
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Who counts just the Top 20 and not Top 25, and "8 wins or more" is also misleading. Only 1 loss to a 7-win team, 3 losses to 8 win teams (all four were away SEC games) and only 1 loss to a 9 win team. That's 5 losses, and 3 of those 5 were in his Mullen's first season. You almost can't count Mullen's first season, his first ever as a head coach.

The rest of the losses were to teams with 10 or more wins. In 2010, all four losses were to Top 12 teams. In 2011, we lost to 11-win Arkansas, NC Bama, 13-win LSU, 10-win UGA and 11-win South Carolina. Last year we lost to NC Bama, 11-win A&M, 10-win LSU, and 10-win Northwestern (plus OM).

It's not really fair to judge Mullen against 10 and 11-win teams. Or at least spell that record out and not lump them in with "losses to teams with "8 or more wins". He's had far more games against teams with 10 or more than games against 8 or 9 win teams.

It IS fair to expect a decent win percentage against 'middlin' SEC teams (3-5 SEC wins). Problem is, especially in the past 3 years, we just haven't had many games against 'middlin' SEC teams. The sample size is just too small. Lost to 2011 Auburn and 2012 Ole Miss (both away), beat 2010 Florida and Georgia.

We need to be a little patient--it's still too early to proclaim Mullen a success or a failure. He's only been a head coach 4 seasons. His first 4-year record in the toughest conference compares well to some very succesful coaches' first 4-years (Saban, Miles) in weaker conferences.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Curious,

but of that 0-15 vs top 20, how many of those opponents were in the top 10 at the time? Likewise with the "vs 8 win teams" stat.
 
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MSUDC11

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I think we have a chance against LSU. Unless Ole Miss surprises, that's gonna be our only Top 20 home opponent that we can realistically beat.

A lot of tough games away from Davis Wade. Including most of our 50/50 games.
 
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RocketDawg

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You are absolutely correct. The SEC-W is the toughest division I can imagine anyone playing in in football. Mullen has a much, much, much longer row to hoe than Cohen, and it's primarily because SEC schools care so much more about football than they do baseball and basketball (UK notwithstanding).

I think Mullen's doing pretty well. It'll take a lot more money infused into the program for top-notch assistants before we're going to do a lot better as the division stands now. But I sure would like to beat Alabama on a regular basis.
 
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fishwater99

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I count Top 20 wins and he doesn't have any.
Don't you think it's time for one?

He is 2-16 vs Top 25 teams.
2009 (win over #25 Ole Miss)
2009 (loss to #25 G. Tech)
2010 (win over #22 UF)
 
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Crazy Dawg

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Get ready for a LONG season. It could get ugly..... Then again we could play for a NC. Who am I to predict? But just be prepared for a possible long season. Bama LSU A&M and let's face it OM isn't gonna be bad. There's 4 real possibilities of a loss. Not to mention OSU. They put up lots of points and tons of yards.
 
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KurtRambis4

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I could be wrong

but out of those 16, 12 were top 10 teams so your bs is a little misleading. Of course if you expected us to beat top 10 teams in the first two years with regularity, then carry on.
 
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patdog

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Really don't understand why fishwater keeps trolling with this slanted misleading ********. He's a good guy and he is NOT an idiot. Despite what people may think when he posts this same thing over and over and over. Can't figure out what his anti-Mullen agenda is or why he has it.
 
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SkullCandy.sixpack

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Problem is we won't play a top 20 team that isn't also in the top 10. We can't beat them (top 10) and there is no way to judge us after the top 10. Only OSU and possibly the bears would be top 20 but not top 10. We could be damn good and lose 6 games.
 
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To do that, we would have to win one of the following: Bama, LSU, @Texas A & M, @South Carolina. I would think we'd be a double digit underdogs in all of those games.

5Dimes released some SEC win totals today, they had us at 5.5. If you would like some easy money, they had Ole Miss at 8.5. I really don't see that.
 
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HD6

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It's the 34 method. Embrace an unpopular position. If it happens, instant internet celebrity and following. If it doesn't, wait longer.
 
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RocketDawg said:
You are absolutely correct. The SEC-W is the toughest division I can imagine anyone playing in in football. Mullen has a much, much, much longer row to hoe than Cohen, and it's primarily because SEC schools care so much more about football than they do baseball and basketball (UK notwithstanding).

I think Mullen's doing pretty well. It'll take a lot more money infused into the program for top-notch assistants before we're going to do a lot better as the division stands now. But I sure would like to beat Alabama on a regular basis.
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You and everybody else in the country. Define regular basis. Once a decade?
 
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patdog

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I do to. But with 3 straight bowl games and the program in better overall shape than it's probably ever been in my lifetime, I'm not going to ***** about it every time I post about Mullen. As others have pointed out, it doesn't help that we play 4 top-10 teams every year. And there's really no difference between beating the #20 team and the 3 #21-#25 wins he's had.
 
thatsbaseball

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You obviously think you know something that nobody else on the planet knows. Exactly what has Mullen done to correct the team`s and his personal meltdown at the end of last year. I think we`ll be closer to 4-8 than 8-4.
 
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KurtRambis4

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You're perpetual asinine posts

on this subject are ridiculous and are misleading, to say the least.

In 2009, we played five games against top 25 teams and went 1-4. However, of those five games, three were against top 10 teams (at that time).

In 2010, we played five games against top 25 teams and went 1-4. However, of those five games, three were against top 15 teams (at that time).

In 2011, we played four games against top 25 teams and went 0-4. However, three of those games were against top 10 teams (and the other against top 15 team).

In 2012, we played four games against top 25 teams and went 0-4. However, two of those games were against top 10 teams.

So, aGAIN, your BS posts that are misleading, at best, are a bunch of crap. You make it sound as if we are 2-16 against all of these teams that are hanging by a thread to stay in the top 25. In reality, in those eighteen games, eight are against top 10 teams where we are 0-8, five are against teams ranked 10-15 where we are 0-5, and five are against teams ranked 16-25 where we are 2-3. So it isn't as bad as it seems, unless you were expecting us to dominate top 15 teams in years one and two.
 
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tb2

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Didn't he say that was posted on a gambling site?

57stratdawg said:
I bet you $500 that doesn't happen.
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If so, why don't you bet them $500?

For the record, i am not arguing either way, but just wondering why you would challenge someone to a bet when you can get said bet at a betting site.
 
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Optimus Prime 4

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5.5 is a great bet. I took the under on us last year. I consider it paying to make a bowl game. If we made one, who cares about the money. If we don't, hey, free money!

I wouldn't touch us at 8.5. We should be a better team but could have a worse record.
 
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DerHntr

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When will the top teams in the SEC west only be ranked between 11 and 20?**

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TheOMlawdog

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How much credit should be given to the AD's office?

The last three years MSU's OOC schedule has been exactly what it should have been the last 10 years. Starting every year off at 4-0 has been such a huge advantage for Mullen over his predecessors and why the OSU game is probably a mistake. Now I would think scheduling a solid OOC game once every 4-5 years should be encouraged, but Im not sure its a good idea.
 
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Sutterkane

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I'll say it; but A&M will not be as good this year. Manziel is quickly becoming more of a distraction than an attraction. He's also missing 2 of the best tackles in college football.
 
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chew1095

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Please explain how this happens. I sure as hell dont see it. Hell, I am not even sure I see 8 wins if we DO beat OSU.
 
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chew1095

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Not to mention win AT Auburn and AT Ark and hopefully not **** in the bed again against our rival. I am still haunted by images of that ole boy from Raleigh torching our secondary time and time and time and time again last year.

I am with a few other posters in this thread. There was/is A LOT that Dan needs to clean up. I am not convinced he has done so nor am I convinced we have the "horses". I'd be ecstatic with 6-6 and a BBVA Compass Bowl Game berth.

I'll expect a couple more wins with the schedule flips back in 2014. I'd rather play LSU and Bama on the road. They're both losses. Might as well get a more "winnable" game at home.
 
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DiamondheadDawg

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Going through the schedule next season:

Losses:
OSU
Auburn
LSU
Bama
A&M
Scarolina

Wins:
Alcorn State
Troy
Bowling Green
Kentucky
Arkansas

Toss up:
TSUN.

Either 5-7 or 6-6
 
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Godfrey

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I feel like that South Carolina game is a good shot for State. They will have been on the road the previous two weeks playing conference games, and will likely overlook MSU. If they beat UGA they'll almost certainly be undefeated, too.
 
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fishwater99

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I am just stating the facts. Has Mullen actually digressed in his years 3 & 4 and will that will continue in 2013?
He is running out of Crooms recruits and if we don't do better there, then I think we may have seen our best year under Mullen in 2010(9-4).

Just did the research to back up my post..

2009
#7 LSU Loss 30-26
#25 G. Tech Loss 42-31
#1 UF Loss 29-19
#2 Bama Loss 31-3
#25 Ole Miss Win 41-24

2010
#21 Auburn Loss 17-14
#15 LSU Loss 29-7
#22 UF Win 10-7
#12 Bama Loss 30-10
#13 Arky Loss 38-31 2OT

2011
#3 LSU Loss 19-6
#15 SC Loss 14-12
#3 Bama Loss 24-7
#6 Arky Loss 44-17

2012
#1 Bama Loss 38-7
#16 A&M Loss 38-13
#7 LSU Loss 37-17
#20 NWestern Loss 34-20

2-16 vs the Top 25, with the 2 wins coming in his first two years.
Overall Record Under Mullen
1st year 5-7
2nd year 9-4
3rd year 7-6
4th year 8-5 (Lose 5 out of last 6)
5th year ??

I just haven't seen why everyone thinks Mullen is better than sliced bread. Is he a good coach, yes he is.
Am I glad we have him in S-Vegas? Yes I am.
But is he a great coach, worthy of all this praise he gets on SPS, I just don't see it.
He talks a lost of smack, but isn't backing it up on the field.
He let Bucky take him the the woodshed last November, that killed his "we will never lose to TSUN" ********.
Mullen has the best QB we have ever had at State and we are running the wrong offense for him, Why?
He fails to make adjustments during games, and I am still not convinced we have a good fit at Defensive coordinator.
I hope he proves me wrong this year, but I just don't see it.
 
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