Where are you with Lebby if we finish 4-8?

L4Dawg

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It's a moot point. He will be back now. We have improved a LOT. The problem is the base was just so low.
 

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What have I been wrong about?

Change your tampon, dude.
You said repeatedly that “you know” we would be terrible this season. Not that you think, that “you know” when I asked, what it is that you knew you didn’t answer - because you don’t know sht. You just enjoy being negative.

then you went on a crusade about how Arizona State isn’t good and they’d get beat by Baylor, because there’s no possible way MSU could be a decent team. Wrong again
 
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Drebin

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You said repeatedly that “you know” we would be terrible this season. Not that you think, that “you know” when I asked, what it is that you knew you didn’t answer - because you don’t know sht. You just enjoy being negative.

then you went on a crusade about how Arizona State isn’t good and they’d get beat by Baylor, because there’s no possible way MSU could be a decent team. Wrong again
Do you watch any of these games or do you just read box scores?

Keep this same energy when we're 4-8.

Again, change your tampon.
 

PBRME

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Before the season 4-8 is better than expected. Still wouldn’t be happy but would be ok with it. Now losing 8 straight would be a big let down.
 
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Drebin

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Whitsons best offer out of high school was coastal carolina

he wasn’t highly sought after in the portal

but you’re right, after 1.5 games you clearly know more than every other coach in college football.
You're too hung up on the fact that he was at Coastal Carolina.

I guess Jerry Rice was shlt too, since he came out of Miss Valley and had no offers out of high school?
 

Walkthedawg

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For context, here's the Warren Nolan prediction FWIW.

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College Football News has a more acceptable prediction

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Caveats

1. I don't want to be 4-8 and hope he finds at least one more win.
2. While all 4-8 records are the same in the history books, they don't all feel equal in the moment. Eight blowouts would be bad but I suspect many of us would be numb after a while. Two blowouts, two games where we keep it semi-respectable, and four games that are close losses is maybe more painful but at least shows signs of progress.

So the question...if we finish 4-8, are you in or out on Lebby? Chances are he's back regardless, but would your enthusiasm for next season be impacted? How much difference would even 5-7 make for you?
I mean.. we almost have to get one of Arkansas, Florida, Missouri, and UM. At least. Arkansas and Florida is in complete shambles now.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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Florida is better than our fans think. Their D is legit. They have plenty of talent all over the field.

Our best chance is to beat Ark on the road. Would love to have them at home this year.
 
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Do you watch any of these games or do you just read box scores?

Keep this same energy when we're 4-8.

Again, change your tampon.
Haha you are so sad. It’s crazy we have “fans” on here praying we go 4-8 so they can be “right”.
 

Drebin

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Haha you are so sad. It’s crazy we have “fans” on here praying we go 4-8 so they can be “right”.
Weak sauce from a weak person. Nobody's praying we go 4-8. I go to all home games, many road games, and give at least 5x what you do to MSU, the BC, and the SEF. I'm not a "fan." I've got more Mississippi State DNA in my little finger than you do in your entire body. So, you can take this weak **** over to the other boards where you'll get some positive affirmation for it from other weak minded idiots.
 
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golferdog

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This team is better than expected this year, especially the D. I think they'll finish 6-6 or better. I think we'd all very disappointed if we finish 4-8 from this point forward. It's possible, but I think Lebby has built a good locker room culture, and that matters. This team will find a way.
 

johnson86-1

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Florida is better than our fans think. Their D is legit. They have plenty of talent all over the field.

Our best chance is to beat Ark on the road. Would love to have them at home this year.
Florida could just out talent us as long as they don't fall apart. Just have to hope that after UTex and A&M, they are falling apart.

And I don't know that they're falling apart yet. The USF loss wasn't good, but only losing by 10 to LSU while throwing 5 picks is damn near impressive. The Miami loss looks lopsided, but that's a loss to a good team on the road. Just have to see how they respond over the next three weeks.
 

paindonthurt

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You're too hung up on the fact that he was at Coastal Carolina.

I guess Jerry Rice was shlt too, since he came out of Miss Valley and had no offers out of high school?
Yeah 1.5 games compared to Jerry rices career!

you are right! We lost a future nfl hall of famer who would have made 7 pro bowls!
 

paindonthurt

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Weak sauce from a weak person. Nobody's praying we go 4-8. I go to all home games, many road games, and give at least 5x what you do to MSU, the BC, and the SEF. I'm not a "fan." I've got more Mississippi State DNA in my little finger than you do in your entire body. So, you can take this weak **** over to the other boards where you'll get some positive affirmation for it from other weak minded idiots.
Oh!!! What’s your bulldog club rank!!
 

Villagedawg

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The Warren Nolan is about what I think is likely. I'm good with it this year, especially if we play some of them to a reasonable loss. 6-6 this year, I would be ecstatic. As someone else said above, he hast to get to .500 and a bowl next year.
 

She Mate Me

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I'll be disappointed at 4-8, but I understand the schedule and will understand as long as we don't have skid marks all over us.

Really think we'll find a win somewhere, but probably not 2.

I'm not gonna enjoy pundits talking about our fall without taking 2 minutes to review the schedule.

It's amazing how many teams are playing 12 games with none of them as tough as half the games on our schedule.
 
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Deltaduckhunter

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Last year I expected Lebby to lose the locker room after the Toledo debacle; however, that didn't happen and I felt like the team played even harder down the stretch, but just didn't have the pieces (especially on D) to pull off an upset. I will be really surprised if he doesn't find at least one more win between Arkansas, Florida team that most likely will be in chaos, and Ole Miss in Starkville.
 

Drebin

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This team isn’t finishing 4-8. I’ll bet you whatever you would like on that.
I'm not rooting for it. At the same time I'm not going to denigrate people who still need to see it to believe it.

As we sit here today, we'd be underdogs in the rest of our games.
 
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JackShephard

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Look at it also this way, 4-8 this year would make him 6-18 overall, so where are you with him then?

And before you start w/ the "he inherited a disaster" talk, he also wiffed on a bunch of portal players so its not all on the "mess he inherited". He kept Peter Sirmon Jr around after last year and that was a mistake I believe. They need to look damn good in those 8 losses (especially FL, AR, MO) to keep me interested.
I don't find Hutzler to be a bad DC. He had no talent to work with last year, especially on the D-Line. Yes, he had a stupid game plan vs. ASU last year and refused to adapt. But, he's constantly gotten better since then. He has a better DL this year, although it's not great (especially without Whitson), and we've done really well on defense to date. I think our DC is going to turn out to be a pretty good one in the long run.
 
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DAWGSANDSAINTS

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Would not be a lot of happy people with us going 4-8.
However, it does double our win total from last year, we get a good win against a good ranked opponent.
A LOT depends on how we look, were we competitive throughout the game and did we play hard to the final whistle?
If those things happen and it results in 8 consecutive losses then I think we have a reason to be optimistic for 2026.
If we don’t have those things happen and we look lost, get blown out, especially the last one and we have a don’t give a 17 attitude and demeanor about us then I’ll be the first to say we must get to 6 wins plus in 2026 or we go looking for the next B O’Connor type hire.
 
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anon1768925248

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I'm not rooting for it. At the same time I'm not going to denigrate people who still need to see it to believe it.

As we sit here today, we'd be underdogs in the rest of our games.
We won’t be when we play them. Arkansas isn’t winning again before we play them and neither will Florida. The amount of slight underdogs we are going to be would make it statistically very improbable to lose all of those tossups. We will win at least 5 and probably 6. Our updated win total probability o/u was 5.7 prior to the NIU game. It’s probably at 6 at this point.
 
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JackShephard

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Arizona state changed their blocking scheme in the second half

we stopped them on their second drive

then we turned it over at midfield on the next drive

at that point our defense was gassed

whitson is good. Saying he’s the difference in an SEC win is a stretch based on 1.5 games
He hasn't played a snap in 2.5 games now. He's still our team leader in sacks. He's not Chris Jones or Jeff Simmons, but he is a difference maker. He was our best DL by a lot.
 

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It would be impossible to not be disappointed after two consecutive seasons with zero SEC wins, but it also wouldn't be entirely unexpected. I don't see a team left on our schedule with equal or less talent than we have on our roster, and the only one that's reasonably close to me(Ark) has a world beater at QB.

If we lose all 8 in a respectable fashion, Lebby will have actually exceeded my expectations for this season because I fully expect us to get dragged across the field 2-3 times between now and new year's. That said, he has to show us some real evidence of closing the talent gap this offseason because the way that he and Hutzler have recruited so far will never get us out the cellar. They've got a roster than might go undefeated in the AAC, but it's not going to win many SEC games
 

paindonthurt

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He hasn't played a snap in 2.5 games now. He's still our team leader in sacks. He's not Chris Jones or Jeff Simmons, but he is a difference maker. He was our best DL by a lot.
All of that can be true and this can be true as well. He isn’t going to be the difference in an sec win.
 

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I am sure I will be torn apart for this take, but why not here it goes? So far, we have played one good team. ASU. Who might turn out to not be that great. Not trying to take anything away from that win. I was there, and it was magical given all the issues since Leach died. I will admit I was wrong in thinking that Southern would be better, and more of a challenge than they were. That being said, Saturday is our first real test. How will we do? If you guys are being honest, then nobody knows. I get Drebin when he says it is ok to still be in a wait and see mode. I also get Banner when he unloads his optimism. I do not think there is anyone that is saying they hope we do not win. If we win Saturday and you are not convinced this season will be different, then nothing probably will convince you and you are wrong. If we lose Saturday and you are still in wait and see mode, then that is wrong too, if we play with the effort we have shown the first few weeks. The reality is, all of these questions will be answered by around 630 to 7pm on Saturday. And any talk before then is just guessing and the gnashing of teeth.
 

o_Dawg007

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I think it’s going to rely on the health of Shapen. The guy is tough but he definitely doesn’t shy away from contact. Love Kamario but don’t think he’s ready for SEC play. It could ignite some energy in the fan base if he were to get in but don’t think it would necessarily help with how the team finishes the year from a competitive standpoint and overall reflection on how the season went.
 
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JackShephard

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All of that can be true and this can be true as well. He isn’t going to be the difference in an sec win.
Well, you can say that with such false bravado because there's no way to ever prove it. Especially with him out for the year. I don't feel that strongly either way, but I feel pretty strongly that it's dumb to take a definitive stance (either way) on something so unprovable. All I know is that he was our best DL on the team and we would be a lot better on the DL with him than we are without him. I'll leave it there.
 
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