where is Baron von Sunshine Pumper????
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I forgot...explain to me again how we are "mediocre" under Stansbury, because I think we have a pretty nice tradition going... <div>weblow said:
</div><div>In his tenure, Stansbury has... <div>
</div><div>More NCAA tourney appearances than: Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Mississippi (5th overall out of 12 in the SEC)</div><div>
</div><div>More SEC tourney championships than: Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi (3rd in the SEC)</div><div>
</div><div>More SEC conference titles than: Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Mississippi (tied for 5th in the SEC)</div><div>
</div><div>The most SEC West titles with 5.</div><div>
</div><div>When you consider that it is going to be very difficult to ever rise above the traditions at Kentucky, Tennessee, and Florida on a year in and year out basis, I'm confused as to what you expect out of our next coach...are we supposed to be the next Kentucky? Maybe win back-to-back national titles like Florida? You guys are ridiculous.</div><div>
</div><div>No one is happy with this season. Another one like it any time soon will be termination time. But these last 12 years have been far from mediocre...more like a modern golden age for the program. We'll be so lucky to have the same level of success over the next 12.</div><div>
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I picked then because they only hired Houston to get Allan, and while he worked out as a player, Daddy was a terrible coach.
Kevin O'Neill lasted three years (95-97) before his boring brand of basketball and his famously foul mouth and a ton of losses (14-34 SEC) got him run out of town.
Jerry Green then came in from Oregon and took UT to four straght NCAA tournament from 98-01 including one Sweet 16. He left after 2001, never to be heard from again.
Then they went to Buzz Peterson. Peterson had it all. Carolina pedigree. Dean Smith endorsement. Success at a small school. If you want to point at a reason to not hire a mid major coach, Peterson is example #1. In four years UT never finished higher than 4th in the East. He was fired after the 05 season. That's when Pearl was hired, who is example #1 of how a mid major guy CAN work out.
Kevin O'Neill lasted three years (95-97) before his boring brand of basketball and his famously foul mouth and a ton of losses (14-34 SEC) got him run out of town.
Jerry Green then came in from Oregon and took UT to four straght NCAA tournament from 98-01 including one Sweet 16. He left after 2001, never to be heard from again.
Then they went to Buzz Peterson. Peterson had it all. Carolina pedigree. Dean Smith endorsement. Success at a small school. If you want to point at a reason to not hire a mid major coach, Peterson is example #1. In four years UT never finished higher than 4th in the East. He was fired after the 05 season. That's when Pearl was hired, who is example #1 of how a mid major guy CAN work out.
That is what I was looking for. Since meaderis mentioned them with UK, and UF in basketball tradition, I wanted to make sure I remebered the way I thought I did. Maybe he was confusing their men's and women's program. After 3 or 4 years of not getting it done, they show a coach the door. Then they end up getting a Bruce Pearl. While there are examples of both sides with Peterson and Pearl, I sure would like for State to give it a try.
Consider his points here and step away from the emotional meltdown everyone seems to be mired in due to this season's disaster.
Stansbury has had MSU in the top echelon of our division year in and year out. I think the reason why the pitchfork and torch mob here is ongoing is because of the very expectations that he's helped build.
We expect to win our division every year. We expect to go deep in the SECT and win it. We don't get intimidated by Kentucky, Florida, Vanderbilt, etc. We expect to make the NCAAs and get pissed when we are even considered for the NIT.
Think TSUN has that sort of expectation out of Kennedy year in and year out? Or USM has that for Eustachy? Stansbury has built that into this program and by recruiting great players to Starkville.
Now we're in a down year. There are issues on and off the court. What with twitter, message boards and the like, everyone can whip a few sparks into the flames of hell with scant little effort now. Just ask Egypt why it tried to shut down the Internet.
So yes, we're sucking right now. Is it Stansbury's fault? Sure, to a certain extent. Could he coach better? I'm sure we all coach better in retrospect. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Could he manage to coach up the talent he has better? Of course.
But overall, if you look at the state of our program, the expectations that the fans have out of the team says it all. And nowhere is that more prevalent than here based on the fact that we're pissed that we're not on top where we're used to being.
Stansbury has had MSU in the top echelon of our division year in and year out. I think the reason why the pitchfork and torch mob here is ongoing is because of the very expectations that he's helped build.
We expect to win our division every year. We expect to go deep in the SECT and win it. We don't get intimidated by Kentucky, Florida, Vanderbilt, etc. We expect to make the NCAAs and get pissed when we are even considered for the NIT.
Think TSUN has that sort of expectation out of Kennedy year in and year out? Or USM has that for Eustachy? Stansbury has built that into this program and by recruiting great players to Starkville.
Now we're in a down year. There are issues on and off the court. What with twitter, message boards and the like, everyone can whip a few sparks into the flames of hell with scant little effort now. Just ask Egypt why it tried to shut down the Internet.
So yes, we're sucking right now. Is it Stansbury's fault? Sure, to a certain extent. Could he coach better? I'm sure we all coach better in retrospect. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. Could he manage to coach up the talent he has better? Of course.
But overall, if you look at the state of our program, the expectations that the fans have out of the team says it all. And nowhere is that more prevalent than here based on the fact that we're pissed that we're not on top where we're used to being.
I expect our coach to have the exact opposite attitude that you have. Instead of taking your attitude that it is gonna be tough so why try, I want a coach that sets aggressive goals and works tirelessly to achieve them, no matter how hard they are.
Part of our fanbase, like yourself, takes the attitude that we are a small SEC school so we should be happy with some limited success. That is ********, I don't think you will find that attitude with our football coach or our baseball coach.
You asked what I wanted or expected from the next coach.
-I expect our coaching staff to be able to coach up a player once he arrives on campus
-To be a fundamentally sound coach and be more than just a "recruiter"
-I expect our staff to have every member of the team in great physical condition when the season begins.
-I expect our staff to put together a strength program where our players are bigger and stronger each year.
-I expect our coach to be able to call a timeout and have the players actually listen to him
-I also expect that coach to be able to draw up a play in that time out that is duplicated on the floor
-I expect our coach to install an offense that is more than passing the ball around the arc until someone gets an open 3
-I expect our coach to put something on the floor that resembles an organized basketball team that has actually been coached instead of a team that looks like they are playing street ball
-I expect our coach to demand respect from his players and installs respect for the university
-I expect our coach to coach a team to compete in more than the SEC west
-I expect our coach to make it to the tourney more than not and go further than 1 and done.
I could go on and on but you and I are just in a different spot as a fan. I respect Stansbury and appreciate what he has done for the university. That being said, he has run out of ability, talent, desire.......I am not sure what it is but this year has been a complete embarrassment on very level, on the court, off the court, in the local media, in the national media. He has shown time and time again that he does not have control of the team, the players, or any game. Our team lacks some of the basic fundamentals of a well coached team. Our team lacks the the mindset that they are even an actual team.
You are right, there is no guarantee that a new coach will do any better but it is time to try. Without setting some aggressive goals and making a change, how will we know what can be accomplished at State?
As fans, we should and some do expect more that what we have received, especially this year. I am of the opinion that we can and will do better.
Part of our fanbase, like yourself, takes the attitude that we are a small SEC school so we should be happy with some limited success. That is ********, I don't think you will find that attitude with our football coach or our baseball coach.
You asked what I wanted or expected from the next coach.
-I expect our coaching staff to be able to coach up a player once he arrives on campus
-To be a fundamentally sound coach and be more than just a "recruiter"
-I expect our staff to have every member of the team in great physical condition when the season begins.
-I expect our staff to put together a strength program where our players are bigger and stronger each year.
-I expect our coach to be able to call a timeout and have the players actually listen to him
-I also expect that coach to be able to draw up a play in that time out that is duplicated on the floor
-I expect our coach to install an offense that is more than passing the ball around the arc until someone gets an open 3
-I expect our coach to put something on the floor that resembles an organized basketball team that has actually been coached instead of a team that looks like they are playing street ball
-I expect our coach to demand respect from his players and installs respect for the university
-I expect our coach to coach a team to compete in more than the SEC west
-I expect our coach to make it to the tourney more than not and go further than 1 and done.
I could go on and on but you and I are just in a different spot as a fan. I respect Stansbury and appreciate what he has done for the university. That being said, he has run out of ability, talent, desire.......I am not sure what it is but this year has been a complete embarrassment on very level, on the court, off the court, in the local media, in the national media. He has shown time and time again that he does not have control of the team, the players, or any game. Our team lacks some of the basic fundamentals of a well coached team. Our team lacks the the mindset that they are even an actual team.
You are right, there is no guarantee that a new coach will do any better but it is time to try. Without setting some aggressive goals and making a change, how will we know what can be accomplished at State?
As fans, we should and some do expect more that what we have received, especially this year. I am of the opinion that we can and will do better.
I expect our coach to win games when he is up by 19 points with 11 minutes left in the game.medearis said:
I expect for our coach to make it to the Sweet 16 <span style="font-weight: bold;">one</span> time in 13 years.
I expect our coach to implement a half-court offense besides the "Stands Motion".
I expect our next coach not rely on 3 pointers to win games.
I expect our next coach to be able to break down and score against a zone defense.
I expect our next coach not to substitute players like a Hockey line.
I expect our next coach to not start the senior white boys just because he likes them.
I expect our next coach to be able to run an in-bound play the result in a basket being scored.
I expect for or next coach to not sit on leads when up in the second half, go ahead and blow out teams, it's okay.
I expect our next coach to have some control over his players and to not run them off year after year.
I expect our next coach to call timeouts when the other team starts to go on a big run, not wait until they score 10 un-answered points.
Need anything else?
...you sir, are an idiot.<div>
</div><div>Stansbury didn't put our program in the "upper echelon" of anything.</div><div>
</div><div>Richard "I love the Pom Squad" Williams took our program from bottom feeder to relevant. Stansbury has made a career of coasting off that success.</div><div>
</div><div>Stansbury inherited a program that was coming off two Sweet 16 appearances (including a Final Four appearance).</div><div>
</div><div>As a Stansbury supporter you might be confused as to what a Sweet 16 appearance is. It's when you win the first two games in the NCAA tournament and make it to the second weekend. Don't worry if that scares you. As long as Stans is coaching this team you'll never have to face such harsh realities.</div><div>
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</div><div>Stansbury didn't put our program in the "upper echelon" of anything.</div><div>
</div><div>Richard "I love the Pom Squad" Williams took our program from bottom feeder to relevant. Stansbury has made a career of coasting off that success.</div><div>
</div><div>Stansbury inherited a program that was coming off two Sweet 16 appearances (including a Final Four appearance).</div><div>
</div><div>As a Stansbury supporter you might be confused as to what a Sweet 16 appearance is. It's when you win the first two games in the NCAA tournament and make it to the second weekend. Don't worry if that scares you. As long as Stans is coaching this team you'll never have to face such harsh realities.</div><div>
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http://delcotimes.com/articles/2011/02/10/sports/doc4d53701136d34190656607.txt
Guess that takes Jay Wright off the list of potential candidates.
Guess that takes Jay Wright off the list of potential candidates.
Under Richard "from bottom feeder to relevant" Williams:
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Season</th><th>Team</th><th>Overall</th><th>Conference</th><th>Standing</th><th>Postseason</th></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;" colspan="9" align="center">Mississippi State (Southeastern Conference) (1986–1998)</td></tr><tr><td>1986-1987</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>7-21</td><td>3-15</td><td>10th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1987-1988</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>14-15</td><td>6-12</td><td>10th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1988-1989</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13-15</td><td>7-11</td><td>8th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1989-1990</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>16-14</td><td>7-11</td><td>T-8th</td><td>NIT Second Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 221, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1990-1991</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>20-9</td><td>13-5</td><td>1st</td><td>NCAA First Round</td></tr><tr><td>1991-1992</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15-13</td><td>7-9</td><td>4th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1992-1993</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13-16</td><td>5-11</td><td>5th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1993-1994</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>18-11</td><td>9-7</td><td>3rd (West)</td><td>NIT First Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1994-1995</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>22-8</td><td>12-4</td><td>T-1 (West)</td><td>NCAA Sweet 16</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1995-1996</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>26-8</td><td>10-6</td><td>T-1st (West)</td><td>NCAA Final Four</td></tr><tr><td>1996-1997</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>12-18</td><td>6-10</td><td>T-3rd (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1997-1998</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15-15</td><td>4-12</td><td>5th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="border-top: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(250, 250, 250) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" align="center">Mississippi State:</td><td>191-163</td><td>89-113</td><td colspan="5">
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Total:</td><td>191-163</td><td colspan="7">
</td></tr><tr><td colspan="9">
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 191, 47); width: 50px;"></span>National Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 221, 153); width: 50px;"></span>Conference Regular Season Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 153); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Tournament Champion
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(217, 165, 61); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Regular Season & Conference Tournament Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 255); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Division Champion</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
Now, under Stansbury:
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Season</th><th>Team</th><th>Overall</th><th>Conference</th><th>Standing</th><th>Postseason</th></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;" colspan="9" align="center">Mississippi State (Southeastern Conference) (1998–present)</td></tr><tr><td>1998–1999</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>20–13</td><td>8–8</td><td>T–3rd (West) </td><td>NIT 1st Round</td></tr><tr><td>1999–2000</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>14–16</td><td>5–11</td><td>T–5th (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>2000–2001</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>18–13</td><td>7–9</td><td>T–4th (West) </td><td>NIT Quarterfinals</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2001–2002</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>27–8</td><td>10–6</td><td>2nd (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2002–2003</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>21–10</td><td>9–7</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 1st Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 221, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2003–2004</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>26–4</td><td>14–2</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2004–2005</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–11</td><td>9–7</td><td>3rd (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2005–2006</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15–15</td><td>5–11</td><td>5th (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2006–2007</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>21–14</td><td>8–8</td><td>T–1st (West) </td><td>NIT Final Four</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2007–2008</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–11</td><td>12–4</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2008–2009</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–13</td><td>9–7</td><td>3rd (West) </td><td>NCAA 1st Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2009–2010</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>24–12</td><td>9–7</td><td>T–1st (West) </td><td>NIT 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2010–2011</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13–11</td><td>5–5</td><td>2nd (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="border-top: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(250, 250, 250) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" align="center">Mississippi State:</td><td>268–149</td><td>110–90</td><td colspan="5">
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Total:</td><td>268–149</td><td colspan="7">
</td></tr><tr><td colspan="9">
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 191, 47); width: 50px;"></span>National Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 221, 153); width: 50px;"></span>Conference Regular Season Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 153); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Tournament Champion
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(217, 165, 61); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Regular Season & Conference Tournament Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 255); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Division Champion</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
Stansbury has the overall better results.
Like I said, I'm not happy with the state of our current team. Stansbury could do better. He certainly has in the past.
But look at the above results and tell me that the level of expectation under Stansbury hasn't been escalated.
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Season</th><th>Team</th><th>Overall</th><th>Conference</th><th>Standing</th><th>Postseason</th></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;" colspan="9" align="center">Mississippi State (Southeastern Conference) (1986–1998)</td></tr><tr><td>1986-1987</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>7-21</td><td>3-15</td><td>10th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1987-1988</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>14-15</td><td>6-12</td><td>10th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1988-1989</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13-15</td><td>7-11</td><td>8th</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1989-1990</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>16-14</td><td>7-11</td><td>T-8th</td><td>NIT Second Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 221, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1990-1991</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>20-9</td><td>13-5</td><td>1st</td><td>NCAA First Round</td></tr><tr><td>1991-1992</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15-13</td><td>7-9</td><td>4th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1992-1993</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13-16</td><td>5-11</td><td>5th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1993-1994</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>18-11</td><td>9-7</td><td>3rd (West)</td><td>NIT First Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1994-1995</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>22-8</td><td>12-4</td><td>T-1 (West)</td><td>NCAA Sweet 16</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>1995-1996</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>26-8</td><td>10-6</td><td>T-1st (West)</td><td>NCAA Final Four</td></tr><tr><td>1996-1997</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>12-18</td><td>6-10</td><td>T-3rd (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>1997-1998</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15-15</td><td>4-12</td><td>5th (West)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="border-top: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(250, 250, 250) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" align="center">Mississippi State:</td><td>191-163</td><td>89-113</td><td colspan="5">
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Total:</td><td>191-163</td><td colspan="7">
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<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 191, 47); width: 50px;"></span>National Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 221, 153); width: 50px;"></span>Conference Regular Season Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 153); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Tournament Champion
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(217, 165, 61); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Regular Season & Conference Tournament Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 255); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Division Champion</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
Now, under Stansbury:
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th>Season</th><th>Team</th><th>Overall</th><th>Conference</th><th>Standing</th><th>Postseason</th></tr><tr><td style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;" colspan="9" align="center">Mississippi State (Southeastern Conference) (1998–present)</td></tr><tr><td>1998–1999</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>20–13</td><td>8–8</td><td>T–3rd (West) </td><td>NIT 1st Round</td></tr><tr><td>1999–2000</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>14–16</td><td>5–11</td><td>T–5th (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>2000–2001</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>18–13</td><td>7–9</td><td>T–4th (West) </td><td>NIT Quarterfinals</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2001–2002</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>27–8</td><td>10–6</td><td>2nd (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2002–2003</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>21–10</td><td>9–7</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 1st Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 221, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2003–2004</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>26–4</td><td>14–2</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2004–2005</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–11</td><td>9–7</td><td>3rd (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2005–2006</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>15–15</td><td>5–11</td><td>5th (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2006–2007</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>21–14</td><td>8–8</td><td>T–1st (West) </td><td>NIT Final Four</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2007–2008</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–11</td><td>12–4</td><td>1st (West) </td><td>NCAA 2nd Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(255, 255, 153) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2008–2009</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>23–13</td><td>9–7</td><td>3rd (West) </td><td>NCAA 1st Round</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(187, 255, 255) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td>2009–2010</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>24–12</td><td>9–7</td><td>T–1st (West) </td><td>NIT 2nd Round</td></tr><tr><td>2010–2011</td><td>Mississippi State</td><td>13–11</td><td>5–5</td><td>2nd (West) </td><td>
</td></tr><tr style="border-top: 2px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); background: rgb(250, 250, 250) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" align="center">Mississippi State:</td><td>268–149</td><td>110–90</td><td colspan="5">
</td></tr><tr style="background: rgb(221, 221, 221) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;"><td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">Total:</td><td>268–149</td><td colspan="7">
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<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 191, 47); width: 50px;"></span>National Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 221, 153); width: 50px;"></span>Conference Regular Season Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 153); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Tournament Champion
<span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(217, 165, 61); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Regular Season & Conference Tournament Champion <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(187, 255, 255); width: 20px;"></span>Conference Division Champion</p></td></tr></tbody></table>
Stansbury has the overall better results.
Like I said, I'm not happy with the state of our current team. Stansbury could do better. He certainly has in the past.
But look at the above results and tell me that the level of expectation under Stansbury hasn't been escalated.
1. By "lucked up" do you mean that a player he "recruited" actually wore an MSU uniform and/or didn't transfer?<div>
</div><div>2. Did you know that Williams has more NCAA tourney wins than Stansbury despite only three NCAA berths to Rick's six?</div><div>
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</div><div>2. Did you know that Williams has more NCAA tourney wins than Stansbury despite only three NCAA berths to Rick's six?</div><div>
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I am just saying the program was not in good shape when Stans took over. It was in a decline. Yes we got lucky with Dampier, any time you get player like that there is a little luck and lucky that Jones was a genious and was able to take 30 hours in summer school. This is the way I see. We are on the map. I travel the 10 southern states and talk to a lot of people and they know Miss State Basketball. Should we give credit to Stans for some of that. Yes. Do we need a new coach? Possibly. Maybe now is the time to change. Maybe this is the decline and we need to change the skillet while the fire is still hot. I don't know. I will leave that up to Stricklin. He seems to have a good headwith this kind of stuff. I feel more cofident with himthen I do LT. PersonallyI don't care one way or another about Stans one way or another, but I am getting tired of 20 different threads on the same subject every day. We get it! Many want Stans gone and that's fine but can't we keep the rants on one thread?
Rick got to show off that Final Four banner to every recruit he's ever "almost" signed (see: Bender, Outlaw, Ellis) or signed but lost (see: Hansborough, Delk (x2), Sharpe, Osby, etc.).<div>
</div><div>When Williams got here, our program was dog-vomit bad (two previous coaches had sub .350 SEC winning percentages). He was a sleaze ball, but he knew how to coach!</div><div>
</div><div>Stans is a micro-managing moron who is so insecure he can't delegate any authority. He's not a leader. Never has been. Never will be. Period. End of discussion.</div><div>
</div><div>You want to talk about "lucking up" you might want to mention Lawrence Roberts. Without him, Stans would have two fewer NCAA flameouts on his record (to be replaced with two NIT flameouts).</div><div>
</div><div>Stansbury is terrible. It's taken the fan base more than a decade to see it. I was there, on campus, when he took over. It was obvious then (although the sheep made excuses: "He's got to go through growing pains." "He's a great recruiter.") as it is now.</div><div>
</div><div>This dude needs to go. I won't attend another basketball game until he's gone...</div><div>
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</div><div>When Williams got here, our program was dog-vomit bad (two previous coaches had sub .350 SEC winning percentages). He was a sleaze ball, but he knew how to coach!</div><div>
</div><div>Stans is a micro-managing moron who is so insecure he can't delegate any authority. He's not a leader. Never has been. Never will be. Period. End of discussion.</div><div>
</div><div>You want to talk about "lucking up" you might want to mention Lawrence Roberts. Without him, Stans would have two fewer NCAA flameouts on his record (to be replaced with two NIT flameouts).</div><div>
</div><div>Stansbury is terrible. It's taken the fan base more than a decade to see it. I was there, on campus, when he took over. It was obvious then (although the sheep made excuses: "He's got to go through growing pains." "He's a great recruiter.") as it is now.</div><div>
</div><div>This dude needs to go. I won't attend another basketball game until he's gone...</div><div>
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1. Have players that play defense. This used to be required by Stansbury. Now Ravern is 4 years into it and instead of being one of our best players, it's difficult to tell whether he makes us better or worse.
2. Have players that get in shape and get stronger over their time at MSU.
Neither one of these requires a lot of coaching skill. It's just a matter of deciding something and making sure that's the way it's done. If you want a reason that it's time for Stansbury to go, number one is all you need.Stansbury has some limitations, butit's not his limitations that are killing the team.He's proven that #1 is perfectly within his capabilities, and for whatever reason, he just lost it. It's just hard to be at one place for a decade and not slip. We may keep Stansbury around fora couple more years b/c of financial reasons, butI don't expect it todo anything but get worse.
2. Have players that get in shape and get stronger over their time at MSU.
Neither one of these requires a lot of coaching skill. It's just a matter of deciding something and making sure that's the way it's done. If you want a reason that it's time for Stansbury to go, number one is all you need.Stansbury has some limitations, butit's not his limitations that are killing the team.He's proven that #1 is perfectly within his capabilities, and for whatever reason, he just lost it. It's just hard to be at one place for a decade and not slip. We may keep Stansbury around fora couple more years b/c of financial reasons, butI don't expect it todo anything but get worse.
...is what I call it when we haven't even glimpsed the Sweet 16 (much less the Final Four) in twelve years and six tourneys. After our previous coach took us there twice in three tourneys.
To say that he did not make us relevant is just crazy... Now Rick has been consistent at winning the West, but that is about it. He can't win in the NCAA because he can not coach against two teams that he doesn't play year in and year out. He just can't game-plan on such a short turnaround b/c he has no offense to implement.
...winning our division is akin to winning the tallest midget award. The SEC West has sucked for years. Stansbury has benefitted from the mediocrity of the division for years. All of his crappy conference opponents, combined with all his crappy non-conference opponents, has allowed him to get fat on hollow 20 win seasons for years. Yes, there are some good wins sprinkled in there. But there are an awful lot more ugly losses in there. I've been beating my head against the wall for years listening to Stans apologists brag about his number of wins, SEC West titles, and the like. Our division has been mediocre for years, and outside of a couple of memorable seasons, our team has been mediocre for years too.
Now THIS is an example of stepping away from emotion and looking at the situation factually.
Now THIS is an example of stepping away from emotion and looking at the situation factually.
of wins was/ is right on. Congrats.
I was wrong. I said we'd win 12 becuase of talent. Not sure how now I'm Stans biggest defender and a sunshine pumper. I'll own it though. I was wrong. I said we'd win 12 because we had talent. But I never said Stans was a great, even good coach, so please don't throw me in that group too.
You are bound to be right. We probably will have 6, or 8 or 10 SEC wins, so good work. Nice pick(s).
I was wrong. I said we'd win 12 becuase of talent. Not sure how now I'm Stans biggest defender and a sunshine pumper. I'll own it though. I was wrong. I said we'd win 12 because we had talent. But I never said Stans was a great, even good coach, so please don't throw me in that group too.
You are bound to be right. We probably will have 6, or 8 or 10 SEC wins, so good work. Nice pick(s).
That we can only win an SEC tournament, which is completely acceptable to the Stans' supporters, but some people, myself being one of them, want more than a "lucky" hot streak at the end of SEC play. Some want to have a good OOC season, a good SEC season and tough tournament play. Even when we do well in the SEC tournament we collapse and perform poorly in the NCAA tournament which is the only one that really matters. I'm glad that we have had Coach Rick Stansbury as long as we have, he has done wonders for our program. He has set a foundation that others can come in and build upon, he is not called the recruiter for nuttin'. We have great talent, but we just lack in the coaching department.
they couldn't get people to attend games. It was turble I'm told. Then Pearl steps in and turns things around. I don't quite understand how one can list them as a powerhouse. I definitely believe MSU is above UT as far as bball history in at least the last 20yrs.<div>Buzz was a great guy, but couldn't get it done. Sound familiar?</div>
In the last 20 years we have one main advantage over UT - one. That would be the 1996 Final Four. I guess the SEC tournament championships are an advantage although they don't count for a lot in the grand scheme. I would gladly win it every year over not winning it though.
Since the 1990-1991 season, which gives us a bump because we won the SEC and went to the NCAAs that year:
UT: 9 NCAAs, which resulted in 0 Final Fours, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 2 second rounds and 3 one and dones; they have two conference championships and 0 SEC tourney championships
MSU: 9 NCAAs, which resulted in 1 Final Four, 0 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 4 second rounds and 3 one and dones; we have two conference championships and 3 SEC tourney championships.
There really is almost on metric you can use whereby we have a better program. If you had done this pre-Pearl, then yes, but any look back now will have to include their 5+ years of Pearl against our last five years.
Since the 1990-1991 season, which gives us a bump because we won the SEC and went to the NCAAs that year:
UT: 9 NCAAs, which resulted in 0 Final Fours, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 2 second rounds and 3 one and dones; they have two conference championships and 0 SEC tourney championships
MSU: 9 NCAAs, which resulted in 1 Final Four, 0 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 4 second rounds and 3 one and dones; we have two conference championships and 3 SEC tourney championships.
There really is almost on metric you can use whereby we have a better program. If you had done this pre-Pearl, then yes, but any look back now will have to include their 5+ years of Pearl against our last five years.
but I still feel the way I do. I may be basing it more on fan expectations. I'm surrounded by millions of them UT fans as you can imagine. They're not as excited by mens' bball like we are.<div>They are a football and ladies' bball school. But to me, the stats you pointed out, we seem to be on the same level as them. I know I definitely don't look at them as some bball powerhouse though. They're not on my list of those SEC greats. May be my hatred blinding me too though.</div><div>To me, this is one of those subjective things.</div>
I am not saying you specifically, but much of our fan base believes that 20 wins and winning the SEC West means you had a good season. It simply doesn't. So our expectations are really pretty low, a fact many of our fans don't know. There have been plenty or arguments on this board about that very topic, but the facts are there. Winning 20 and competing in the West don't mean anything right now, at least until the West gets much better than it currently is. And if we don't make the improvements FIRST, then we are going to find ourselves in the position of having to play catchup within our own division, a thought completely foreign to us over the last 15 years or so. One of the things that has saved us over the last five years is the continued terrible play of our conference foes, but we now see Alabama improving. It's just a matter of time before Arkansas gets there, with Pelphrey or without him. LSU starts two freshmen guards who will be there for four years and next year they add Johnny O'Bryant, so they look to be on the right track too in my opinion. Auburn and Ole Miss both have a lot of work to do.
UT on the other hand, with Pearl on the bench, has played demanding non conference games that garner them national attention. They have also won many of those games. So even coming off the Buzz Peterson debacle when they were irrelevant nationally and in the SEC, Pearl immediately restored them to prominence with his style of play, his schedule, and his enthusiasm. Their expectations changed from hope we can make the NCAAs to having a realistic chance to make the Final Four. They were #1 in the polls there for a while after beating Memphis a few years ago, so the possibility is realistic. You may look at them as a football and women's hoops school, but right now there is only one program in the SEC in better shape, and that's the one that is ALWAYS in better shape.
UT on the other hand, with Pearl on the bench, has played demanding non conference games that garner them national attention. They have also won many of those games. So even coming off the Buzz Peterson debacle when they were irrelevant nationally and in the SEC, Pearl immediately restored them to prominence with his style of play, his schedule, and his enthusiasm. Their expectations changed from hope we can make the NCAAs to having a realistic chance to make the Final Four. They were #1 in the polls there for a while after beating Memphis a few years ago, so the possibility is realistic. You may look at them as a football and women's hoops school, but right now there is only one program in the SEC in better shape, and that's the one that is ALWAYS in better shape.