Which of you are going to buy a Tesla?

WhiteTailEER

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What is practical about 0-60 in 2.41seconds? The only place that I've been where it might be helpful is downtown Rome Italy. But I will say...A Tesla would be a very nice toy.

It isn't anymore practical than a 450HP muscle car ... I was just reaffirming what somebody else said when they said that muscle cars are too slow. The Tesla blows them out of the water in acceleration.
 

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If we can increase our domestic oil production by just 20-to-35%, we could see prices for a gallon of gasoline at or near 1.00 a gallon! No joke. We can virtually eliminate the need to import any of our needed supplies, and the increase in domestic supplies would not only make us energy independent, but also dramatically reduce retail prices for all goods and services as energy costs subside. Modern vehicles will continue to be even more fuel efficient and as long as demand for gasoline remains stable relative to supply, we should have no problem keeping fuel prices low with increased domestic oil production.

Even if the US doesn't need to import oil (and maybe it doesn't already) that doesn't mean oil companies are going to sell oil cheap just to be nice. They'll still ask market rate. Oil has been cheap awhile now and I think the reason is that the big producers are seeing just how strongly and quickly the technology for alternatives is developed when gas gets to $4 per gallon and everybody goes nuts. The oil producers would rather get a lot price than no price.

And I know some will find this controversial but believe it or not, many people, including those that study it for a living, say that using oil does other bad things that costs us money in other ways in the long run, like warm the planet.
 

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"on a tank of gas" isn't the point, rather "200 miles without stopping" is. That's because if you're plugging it in in your garage each night then you never start a day with it having less than 200 miles on it.

It's 200 (or somewhat above perhaps) now but of course it'll go up over time. You could fill up at a supercharger in 90 seconds via a battery swap but it'll cost you $60-80 when they get it set up. But of course, if your car gets 20 mpg and you want 12 gallons to go 240 miles and if gas is $3-4 per gallon then you pay $36-48 and it takes 5-10 minutes instead of 2.

For somebody who started off not knowing much sure has sandbagged everybody.
 
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No it's not, you cannot produce energy without pollution of some sorts. Everything that is made, produces some wastes. You have to get rid of by products that are produced during manufacture. There is nothing that ha ever been made that doesn't produce waste.

Wrong! Again! There are exothermic processes that give off heat only. Ever heard of fission?

You should just stop.
 

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I do not stand in the way of technology, in fact, technology will solve any problem. The problem with liberals, they think that there is a problem with the internal combustion engine and has to be subsidized by govt to figure out a way to make it obsolete. When we run out of cheap forms of energy, technology will figure out how to use other forms only when they become economical. Look at your cell phone, how much technology has gone into it in the last 10 years because there is real profits to be made there. Let Musk do his thing, just don't take my tax dollars to subsidize it.

THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE IS ALREADY SUBSIDIZED BIG TIME AND IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME!!! Stop pretending it's the renewable energy producers that are the only ones getting subsidized.
 

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It isn't anymore practical than a 450HP muscle car ... I was just reaffirming what somebody else said when they said that muscle cars are too slow. The Tesla blows them out of the water in acceleration.

How many people could handle a car that could go from 0-60 in under 3 seconds? Killed that actor that starred with Vin Diesel , Paul something.
 

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"on a tank of gas" isn't the point, rather "200 miles without stopping" is. That's because if you're plugging it in in your garage each night then you never start a day with it having less than 200 miles on it.

It's 200 (or somewhat above perhaps) now but of course it'll go up over time. You could fill up at a supercharger in 90 seconds via a battery swap but it'll cost you $60-80 when they get it set up. But of course, if your car gets 20 mpg and you want 12 gallons to go 240 miles and if gas is $3-4 per gallon then you pay $36-48 and it takes 5-10 minutes instead of 2.
An electric car for local driving is practical.......otherwise impractical at this point.
 

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News Flash: It's 2017. The days of electric cars and solar power being pipe dreams for decades down the road are past. Technology is advancing.

This is true, but it still has huge frontiers to conquer.

Airplanes.(Jet fuel) Heavy lift vehicles & equipment like cranes and haulers (diesel and coal for Locomotives and Trucks) Light trucks & pickups (Gasoline & diesel) recreational vehicles (propane & natural gas) Large or commercial fleet vehicles like buses, boats & cruise ships, plus multi-passenger Vans (gas, oil, diesel)

We should continue developing the battery technology since it is efficient and saves money because it reduces use and needs for more gasoline, however, we will be using oil for a long time because increased electrical power generation is a far greater need for our economy than non gasoline powered personal passenger vehicles.
 
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Airport

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Wrong! Again! There are exothermic processes that give off heat only. Ever heard of fission?

You should just stop.

Are you saying there are no byproducts in fission? You are a completly wrong. I was at the University when three mile island happened. parts of Japan are not going to inhabited. What about Chernoble
 

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How many people could handle a car that could go from 0-60 in under 3 seconds? Killed that actor that starred with Vin Diesel , Paul something.

Paul Walker ... and it wasn't the acceleration that killed him, it was the sudden deceleration when he hit the tree. :)
 

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No it's not, you cannot produce energy without pollution of some sorts. Everything that is made, produces some wastes. You have to get rid of by products that are produced during manufacture. There is nothing that ha ever been made that doesn't produce waste.

Of course everything pollutes of a kind in one way or the other but it's the amount that matters. We have a crappy system in place and your response to any attempt to change it is "Any other system we put in place will have some crap too." Yes, of course, but that's not the point, the point is whether we can put into place a system with LESS CRAP.
 

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Paul Walker ... and it wasn't the acceleration that killed him, it was the sudden deceleration when he hit the tree. :)

That reminds me of when a plane crashes and they do an investigation to find the cause. The cause is the same every time. Gravity.
 

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Wrong! Again! There are exothermic processes that give off heat only. Ever heard of fission?

You should just stop.

where are the spent rods taken? Are you happy when they are taken through your state in route to somewhere put west to be stored under ground? There are states now that don't want the rods being transported through their states and are fighting it.
 

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Of course everything pollutes of a kind in one way or the other but it's the amount that matters. We have a crappy system in place and your response to any attempt to change it is "Any other system we put in place will have some crap too." Yes, of course, but that's not the point, the point is whether we can put into place a system with LESS CRAP.

It is not less crap, it is just different crap and something I feel that shouldn't be subsidized by my tax dollars at this time. Other forms of energy are cheaper and more abundant. Use them up before going to more expensive forms.
 

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Paul Walker ... and it wasn't the acceleration that killed him, it was the sudden deceleration when he hit the tree. :)

The guy driving it couldn't handle the power in the Porsche. Sad, it really upset my son.
 

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An electric car for local driving is practical.......otherwise impractical at this point.

Well that's kind of the point being made. Musk is making it more practical by setting up the charging stations. The more our infrastructure is set up to support EV's, or even Natural Gas vehicles if that ever becomes a thing, the more practical they will become. That's always been one of the big issues with EV's ... "OK, I have one, but I can only drive it to work and back because there's no place to charge it if I go anyplace else" ... that part is changing.

I don't feel like looking it up, but I'm nearly certain that the charge time is like 10 minutes with a Tesla, not 30, which makes it a lot closer to your standard gas station stop. Gas up, take a piss (save it to send to Trump since he likes that and I like to be supportive) grab a snack and get back in the car and go.
 

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That reminds me of when a plane crashes and they do an investigation to find the cause. The cause is the same every time. Gravity.

Not every time, pilot error is usually the problem. Flying into a mountain is not gravity related.
 

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It is not less crap, it is just different crap and something I feel that shouldn't be subsidized by my tax dollars at this time. Other forms of energy are cheaper and more abundant. Use them up before going to more expensive forms.

I'll believe you're sincere about not wanting things subsidized when I see you complaining about all the subsidizes the current system gets.
 

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Wrong! Again! There are exothermic processes that give off heat only. Ever heard of fission?

You should just stop.

Answer my question, where do you take the spent rods from nuclear reactors? No pollution my big ole white ***.
 

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Even if the US doesn't need to import oil (and maybe it doesn't already) that doesn't mean oil companies are going to sell oil cheap just to be nice.

If the market produces enough supply to meet demand, prices will inevitably come down otherwise oil producers who are selling at higher prices will not make money or achieve any market share.

OPEC is the largest supplier of crude on the international market, and they cannot control prices or fluctuations because US producers are undercutting them and meeting market demand both domestically and internationally.

So they have tried to collude to restrict their supplies and keep prices higher as demand continues, but it is nearly impossible for them to do as more and more producers both domestic and Foreign replace the product they refuse to make available on the world market.

Now they are trying to flood the market with their supply to try and reduce profit margins for domestic or other international producers in order to corner market share, but our smaller more nimble technologically sophisticated domestic producers can provide supply faster, cheaper, and in greater quantity than OPEC so the Shieks are F'd either way!

Drill Baby drill!
 
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WhiteTailEER

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The guy driving it couldn't handle the power in the Porsche. Sad, it really upset my son.

Yeah, you can find any number of videos on youtube of people with super cars like that that can't handle them ... those and motorcycles too.

I had a 1000cc crotch rocket awhile back, I'm pretty sure the 0-60 on that was about 3-3.5 seconds. Crazy fast. It seemed like all I had to do was think about passing somebody and I was by them in a blink. The 0-60 was one thing, but the 60-80 to pass people was insanely quick.

I'm too old for that **** now, but I did take that one over 140 on a lonely stretch of road.
 

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I'll believe you're sincere about not wanting things subsidized when I see you complaining about all the subsidizes the current system gets.

Ask the people on here, I am consistent, no subsidizes for anybody. I don't think govt should pick winners and losers. Govt has proven that they can't run a one man parade.
 

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What's interesting to me is that my senior design project was a hybrid electric vehicle. Many schools competed in this "challenge" and the ultimate competition was in Detroit at the end of the school year. College kids built many variations of options, based on basic thresholds that had to be met. I think it was nearly 10 years later or more until an American company had a hybrid vehicle on the market.

Based off of our performance in this event, I got a call from Chevrolet to work in their electric vehicle division, but I had already started my first job after college and really had no desire to live in, or anywhere near, Detroit. I kinda regret that decision now though, 20+ years later.
I attended a weekend of IndyCar racing at Burke Lakefront Airport in 1997. One of the support racing events was an all electric car race that featured cars built by different universities......very proud to see that WVU had a car entered.
 

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I'll believe you're sincere about not wanting things subsidized when I see you complaining about all the subsidizes the current system gets.

In his defense, he has always been consistent on that point ... no he doesn't ***** about the other subsidies unless somebody brings it up, but I think you can trust his sincerity
 

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Yeah, you can find any number of videos on youtube of people with super cars like that that can't handle them ... those and motorcycles too.

I had a 1000cc crotch rocket awhile back, I'm pretty sure the 0-60 on that was about 3-3.5 seconds. Crazy fast. It seemed like all I had to do was think about passing somebody and I was by them in a blink. The 0-60 was one thing, but the 60-80 to pass people was insanely quick.

I'm too old for that **** now, but I did take that one over 140 on a lonely stretch of road.

I got my Lexus 400 to 118 on 460 out of Petersburg one time. Man, 140 most cars have governors on them that won't let them go that fast.
 

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I attended a weekend of IndyCar racing at Burke Lakefront Airport in 1997. One of the support racing events was an all electric car race that featured cars built by different universities......very proud to see that WVU had a car entered.

Yeah, it's a really sharp looking car too. Very cool.
 

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I got my Lexus 400 to 118 on 460 out of Petersburg one time. Man, 140 most cars have governors on them that won't let them go that fast.

My motorhome won't go over about 78. Probably a good thing, but sometimes the big rigs go fast down hills and I'm trying to get around them so I won't be stuck behind them on the uphill parts. If I'm at 78 and hit the gas, nothing at all happens.
 

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In his defense, he has always been consistent on that point ... no he doesn't ***** about the other subsidies unless somebody brings it up, but I think you can trust his sincerity

I know what I think is never going to fly, it's an ideal that we all play on a level field. Where there's millions to be made, somebody's palm is going to be greased and they will get favors.
 

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My motorhome won't go over about 78. Probably a good thing, but sometimes the big rigs go fast down hills and I'm trying to get around them so I won't be stuck behind them on the uphill parts. If I'm at 78 and hit the gas, nothing at all happens.

Sounds like my golf swing now. At age 62, there's no way I can step on it anymore.
 

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My motorhome won't go over about 78. Probably a good thing, but sometimes the big rigs go fast down hills and I'm trying to get around them so I won't be stuck behind them on the uphill parts. If I'm at 78 and hit the gas, nothing at all happens.

Did you hear about the lawsuit where the person bought the motorhome, got it on the interstate, put it on cruise and got up and walked in the back. Crashed, and won the lawsuit. Crazy. I beleive now there is a sign that says to not leave the steering wheel.
 

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LOL ... I'm 48 and can't hit it like I used to, but I get a good one in every now and then.

It was 65 today and got in some practice. Playing in the International 4 ball in Palm City Fl in one month. A lot of great players.
 

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It was 65 today and got in some practice. Playing in the International 4 ball in Palm City Fl in one month. A lot of great players.

I regularly shoot in the low 60s. If it's any warmer than that I don't play.
 

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LOL ... I'm 48 and can't hit it like I used to, but I get a good one in every now and then.

you know, i switched to the M2 driver, three wood, hybrids and I'm probably longer than I was 10 years ago. Maybe ever. If you haven't hit the M2, you should try it. Sounds different but the ball takes off really well.
 

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Did you hear about the lawsuit where the person bought the motorhome, got it on the interstate, put it on cruise and got up and walked in the back. Crashed, and won the lawsuit. Crazy. I beleive now there is a sign that says to not leave the steering wheel.

I think I remember hearing about that ... I'm surprised it ever made it to court. That's just stupid. Why would anybody have to be told not to do that? Mine's a 2014, I've never noticed a sticker like that, but I'll have to look for it.
 

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My motorhome won't go over about 78. Probably a good thing, but sometimes the big rigs go fast down hills and I'm trying to get around them so I won't be stuck behind them on the uphill parts. If I'm at 78 and hit the gas, nothing at all happens.
That exactly how fast I could a 68 VW beetle I had too go and that was downhill.