Which team has had the most significant era as THE program

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

THinking about the question and the answer....I'm going with WWS.

In my opinion, was it not only the the longest...but there was something more that made it significant.

Until that point, other than MS's simultaneous run, the previous periods were dominated by privates and uninformed individuals, or parents who pay attention for two years...., used as a basis for their "private advantage" the eras of JC, MC, and PC... .

However, WWS (and MS) showed that public schools could also dominate. In fact, WWS dominated probably longer than any other school - about a full decade. How could a school that does not get to pick its players succeed for so long...oh you mean, their great coaches, great feeder programs, and great leadership actually could make a difference....YES. Also, mad props to WWS and MS and others like them who never made the claim they could not compete. They just did.

Therefore, While I love the fact that JC has won at least 1 title every ten year, has more than any other program, and has two eras where I believe they were the top program in state, I think WWS has the most significant era as the state's number 1 program. Come back to us WWS!

 

[woody6]

Now I am a public school parent and coach to the core, but I have to give it up for the Caravan. Three decades of sparkling winning percentage done with sportsmanship and class. It may kill me to do it, but Mt. Carmel gets my vote.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Now I am a public school parent and coach to the core, but I have to give it up for the Caravan. Three decades of sparkling winning percentage done with sportsmanship and class. It may kill me to do it, but Mt. Carmel gets my vote.

I think if you ask, which program has been the most successful, MC has a tough case to beat. I think JCA's most titles and most appearance at state make a strong case, too. But MC did it bigger classes, and head to head since 78 has a few more wins head-to-head vs JCA.

 

[ClownBaby]

THinking about the question and the answer....I'm going with WWS.

In my opinion, was it not only the the longest...but there was something more that made it significant.

Until that point, other than MS's simultaneous run, the previous periods were dominated by privates and uninformed individuals, or parents who pay attention for two years...., used as a basis for their "private advantage" the eras of JC, MC, and PC... .

However, WWS (and MS) showed that public schools could also dominate. In fact, WWS dominated probably longer than any other school - about a full decade. How could a school that does not get to pick its players succeed for so long...oh you mean, their great coaches, great feeder programs, and great leadership actually could make a difference....YES. Also, mad props to WWS and MS and others like them who never made the claim they could not compete. They just did.

Therefore, While I love the fact that JC has won at least 1 title every ten year, has more than any other program, and has two eras where I believe they were the top program in state, I think WWS has the most significant era as the state's number 1 program. Come back to us WWS!

In the 25 year span from 1988 when the Tigers made their first appeance WC/ WWS made it to the semi finals 14 times which to me is just a ridiculous stat since it is not easy to advance that far in the playoffs. The 11-3 record in semi final games is pretty impressive too.

 

[Cross Bones]

why does WWS not have the titles that a JCA, MC, PC, or a Driscoll have? And of course theres the whole 2-7 thing.

However for publics I would say MS or WWS or EStL.

Private gotta be MC or Driscoll

 

[Bowie50]

The Caravan
WWS
JCA
Driscoll
MS
Montini

 

[illini14]

THinking about the question and the answer....I'm going with WWS.

In my opinion, was it not only the the longest...but there was something more that made it significant.

Until that point, other than MS's simultaneous run, the previous periods were dominated by privates and uninformed individuals, or parents who pay attention for two years...., used as a basis for their "private advantage" the eras of JC, MC, and PC... .

However, WWS (and MS) showed that public schools could also dominate. In fact, WWS dominated probably longer than any other school - about a full decade. How could a school that does not get to pick its players succeed for so long...oh you mean, their great coaches, great feeder programs, and great leadership actually could make a difference....YES. Also, mad props to WWS and MS and others like them who never made the claim they could not compete. They just did.

Therefore, While I love the fact that JC has won at least 1 title every ten year, has more than any other program, and has two eras where I believe they were the top program in state, I think WWS has the most significant era as the state's number 1 program. Come back to us WWS!

I would say depending on what happens with Hettlet at GW and Holocek at LA, we could be in the start of something special at those two schools. If those two guys stay put, they could both have 15-20 more years of really high level football.

 

[HRCJR]

I would say depending on what happens with Hettlet at GW and Holocek at LA, we could be in the start of something special at those two schools. If those two guys stay put, they could both have 15-20 more years of really high level football.

If there is High School football in 15 - 20 years. Or high school sports at all at public schools.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

I would say depending on what happens with Hettlet at GW and Holocek at LA, we could be in the start of something special at those two schools. If those two guys stay put, they could both have 15-20 more years of really high level football.

I think we are in the middle of it. Too many other good programs though. It's cyclical. It has to be.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

If there is High School football in 15 - 20 years. Or high school sports at all at public schools.

I've been an advocate of sports leaving schools at all levels. I think it is outdated.

A different thread though....no highjacking my own thread.

 

[kpjasion]

THinking about the question and the answer....I'm going with WWS.

In my opinion, was it not only the the longest...but there was something more that made it significant.

Until that point, other than MS's simultaneous run, the previous periods were dominated by privates and uninformed individuals, or parents who pay attention for two years...., used as a basis for their "private advantage" the eras of JC, MC, and PC... .

However, WWS (and MS) showed that public schools could also dominate. In fact, WWS dominated probably longer than any other school - about a full decade. How could a school that does not get to pick its players succeed for so long...oh you mean, their great coaches, great feeder programs, and great leadership actually could make a difference....YES. Also, mad props to WWS and MS and others like them who never made the claim they could not compete. They just did.

Therefore, While I love the fact that JC has won at least 1 title every ten year, has more than any other program, and has two eras where I believe they were the top program in state, I think WWS has the most significant era as the state's number 1 program. Come back to us WWS!

As a person who grew in Park Ridge and went to "the other Park Ridge high school", I'm gonna rain on Maine South's parade a bit. It used to be , if you lived north of Oakton in PR you went to Maine East, while if you lived south you went to Maine South. They changed that such that anyone in Park Ridge could go to Maine South, and during the time that Maine South has been really strong everyone in PR gravitated to there, so that's the first reason they have a larger pool than most public schools to pull from. Secondly, see the pic I posted...that's Maine South's attendance area. It's Park Ridge, plus some non-contiguous carved out areas in Norridge and Harwood Heights. Those non-contiguous areas were not part of Maine South territory in the past..that was all Ridgewood HS. Park Ridge is very nouveau riche , but Norridge and Hardwood Heights are not. Say you had a son who was a good football player and you wanted him to go to Maine South but you lived in the city? Rent a home in Harwood Heights and all of a sudden your son is playing at Maine South. It's so bizaare that (and this is creepy actually..) the house that now sits on John Wayne Gacy's lot is actually in Maine South territory.

 

[illini14]

I think we are in the middle of it. Too many other good programs though. It's cyclical. It has to be.

Good posts by all here.

I graduated HS in the late 00's from the Rockford Area. Boylan was in the middle of a great run then and was on top out in Rockford. We always heard about Mt. Carmel, WWS, and Maine South from our coaches about who the top teams were in the state. No offense to anyone else, but that's what we heard.

I think LA and GW are just getting started if coaches stay there. Could WWS bounce back? Yes, I think some new blood might be in order to re-start the program. Does ESTL ever get back? Does HF turn the last few years into something special as well? What happens at Mt.Carmel when Lenti is done? When will he be done?

And, HS football could look drastically different in 15-20 years. Who knows how many HS's are even fielding teams at that point. Going to be a culture shock at a lot of the 2000-3000 student high schools when they can barely field a JV and a Varsity at that point.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

As a person who grew in Park Ridge and went to "the other Park Ridge high school", I'm gonna rain on Maine South's parade a bit. It used to be , if you lived north of Oakton in PR you went to Maine East, while if you lived south you went to Maine South. They changed that such that anyone in Park Ridge could go to Maine South, and during the time that Maine South has been really strong everyone in PR gravitated to there, so that's the first reason they have a larger pool than most public schools to pull from. Secondly, see the pic I posted...that's Maine South's attendance area. It's Park Ridge, plus some non-contiguous carved out areas in Norridge and Hardwood Heights. Those non-contiguous areas were not part of Maine South territory in the past..that was all Ridgewood HS. Park Ridge is very nouveau riche , but Norridge and Hardwood Heights are not. Say you had a son who was a good football player and you wanted him to go to Maine South but you lived in the city? Rent a home in Harwood Heights and all of a sudden your son is playing at Maine South. It's so bizaare that (and this is creepy actually..) the house that now sits on John Wayne Gacy's lot is actually in Maine South territory.

This has long been one of the edgy board contentious debates and unsolved mysteries

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Don't overlook the small schools. Carthage (and its successor school, Illini West), has had a few eras if its own, but one of them was pretty concentrated. From 1995-2004, Carthage won four titles and was a four time runner up. Eras don't come much better than that.

 

[ignazio]

As a person who grew in Park Ridge and went to "the other Park Ridge high school", I'm gonna rain on Maine South's parade a bit. It used to be , if you lived north of Oakton in PR you went to Maine East, while if you lived south you went to Maine South. They changed that such that anyone in Park Ridge could go to Maine South, and during the time that Maine South has been really strong everyone in PR gravitated to there, so that's the first reason they have a larger pool than most public schools to pull from. Secondly, see the pic I posted...that's Maine South's attendance area. It's Park Ridge, plus some non-contiguous carved out areas in Norridge and Hardwood Heights. Those non-contiguous areas were not part of Maine South territory in the past..that was all Ridgewood HS. Park Ridge is very nouveau riche , but Norridge and Hardwood Heights are not. Say you had a son who was a good football player and you wanted him to go to Maine South but you lived in the city? Rent a home in Harwood Heights and all of a sudden your son is playing at Maine South. It's so bizaare that (and this is creepy actually..) the house that now sits on John Wayne Gacy's lot is actually in Maine South territory.

 

[stonedlizard]

My kinda thread @JCHILLTOPPERS quick question on what we're defining as an "era"? Keeping this separate from most successful programs of all time I presume, so safe to say an era is sustained success over a period of 7-10+ years?

 

[chitown-irish]

If yor going over the last 30 years it hard to argue against mc. If your picking a certain period of time over the last 30 years. You have Driscoll dominance until the school closed. Another team that dominated over a long span is pc.I don't know if anyone could compete with pc from 94- 04. They won 7 titles played in 9 title games and we're in the semis 10 out of 11 years.

 

[UlbKA91]

As a person who grew in Park Ridge and went to "the other Park Ridge high school", I'm gonna rain on Maine South's parade a bit. It used to be , if you lived north of Oakton in PR you went to Maine East, while if you lived south you went to Maine South. They changed that such that anyone in Park Ridge could go to Maine South, and during the time that Maine South has been really strong everyone in PR gravitated to there, so that's the first reason they have a larger pool than most public schools to pull from. Secondly, see the pic I posted...that's Maine South's attendance area. It's Park Ridge, plus some non-contiguous carved out areas in Norridge and Harwood Heights. Those non-contiguous areas were not part of Maine South territory in the past..that was all Ridgewood HS. Park Ridge is very nouveau riche , but Norridge and Hardwood Heights are not. Say you had a son who was a good football player and you wanted him to go to Maine South but you lived in the city? Rent a home in Harwood Heights and all of a sudden your son is playing at Maine South. It's so bizaare that (and this is creepy actually..) the house that now sits on John Wayne Gacy's lot is actually in Maine South territory.

What public HS are kids in the gated part of Rosemont zoned to? I always thought that it was Maine South given the number of "ends in vowel" last names.

 

[guerinfbfan]

What about LWE?

 

[kpjasion]

What public HS are kids in the gated part of Rosemont zoned to? I always thought that it was Maine South given the number of "ends in vowel" last names.

Back in the day it used to be East Leyden ( who had a damn good football team back then and did win a 5A title); I'd assume it still is.

 

[drwisewords]

rosemont kids go to east leyden

 

[woody6]

What about LWE?

East has been a Beast since shortly after opening and they have done it in a relatively quiet way. We will see how the latter changes after a season as "The Drive" team on CSN.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

East has been a Beast since shortly after opening and they have done it in a relatively quiet way. We will see how the latter changes after a season as "The Drive" team on CSN.

one of the better. but relative to their competitors, they are lacking the title power in the same era.

 

[Cat Box]

Rochester with 5 consecutive State Championship titles and a 76-7 record over six years '09 thru '14.

12 - 1 in 2009
14 - 0 in 2010 (champs)
12 - 2 in 2011 (champs)
13 - 1 in 2012 (champs)
13 - 1 in 2013 (champs)
12 - 2 in 2014 (champs)

 

[woody6]

one of the better. but relative to their competitors, they are lacking the title power in the same era.

Point well-taken. Nevertheless, consider these facts from the 11 seasons ('05-'15):

• 112-21 overall (averaging 8.4 wins and 1.9 losses per year)
• no less than 8 wins and no more than 3 losses in any season
• played an average of 12.1 games per season (all IHSA, no Prep Bowl)

 

[woody6]

You know, Lemont should be in the conversation for the 12 seasons ('04-'15):

• 120-26 overall (average 10 wins and 2.2 losses per year)
• played an average of 12.2 games per season (all IHSA, no Prep Bowl)
• no less than 8 wins and no more than 3 losses every season except one

 

[cornerrat]

All.... One can work numbers in numerous ways. SHG from 2000 to 2015 is 184-17 with five titles (4-5A 1-6A) and a 2nd place finish. Ratsy

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

All.... One can work numbers in numerous ways. SHG from 2000 to 2015 is 184-17 with five titles (4-5A 1-6A) and a 2nd place finish. Ratsy

i give zero credence to SHG's regular season record. Fine top tier program, but 184-17....blah, the board could be 184-17 against that conference.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Where is Divetwins chart

 

[Cat Box]

You know, Lemont should be in the conversation for the 12 seasons ('04-'15):

• 120-26 overall (average 10 wins and 2.2 losses per year)
• played an average of 12.2 games per season (all IHSA, no Prep Bowl)
• no less than 8 wins and no more than 3 losses every season except one

Absent from your post is the number of state championships Lemont has won.......

 

[cornerrat]

i give zero credence to SHG's regular season record. Fine top tier program, but 184-17....blah, the board could be 184-17 against that conference.

All.... Haaaha, spoken like a "northerner." Actually the regular season in my opinion is but pregame. It's all about the post-season and being ready. I'm quite happy (for the most part) on what the Cyclones have been able to do after week nine the past few years.... Ratsy

 

[DeanOfSelection]

I think if you ask, which program has been the most successful, MC has a tough case to beat. I think JCA's most titles and most appearance at state make a strong case, too. But MC did it bigger classes, and head to head since 78 has a few more wins head-to-head vs JCA.

Since 79 MC leads 12-8. All-Time MC leads 29-9.

 

[woody6]

All.... One can work numbers in numerous ways. SHG from 2000 to 2015 is 184-17 with five titles (4-5A 1-6A) and a 2nd place finish. Ratsy

You are dead on since, "Figures can lie and liars can figure."

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

All.... Haaaha, spoken like a "northerner." Actually the regular season in my opinion is but pregame. It's all about the post-season and being ready. I'm quite happy (for the most part) on what the Cyclones have been able to do after week nine the past few years.... Ratsy

Post week nine cyclones are a top 1 percent team.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

I have to mention Geneseo in this thread. They are one hell of a program....

http://www.geneseofootball.org/history.html

Record(1915-Present)656-291-19

53 Consecutive Winning Seasons(1963 - Present)

1970 "Mythical" State Champions

52 Game Unbeaten Streak
1965-1971

22 Game Unbeaten Streak
1972-1974

31 Game Winning Streak
1977-1979

39 Playoff Appearances(Playoffs Began in 1974)76 Wins - 35 Losses

4 State Championships1976, 1977, 1978, 1982

10 Championship Game Appearances1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1982
1990, 1992, 1993, 2009, 2013

16 Semifinal Appearances1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981 1982, 1990,
1992, 1993, 1998, 1999 2004, 2009, 2013, 2014

24 Quarterfinal Appearances1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981
1982, 1983, 1985, 1990 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998,
1999, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015

 

[Cat Box]

This thread is about the "most significant ERA" of a team which makes it "THE program".
Geneseo has had multiple eras. Which is their best era?

I am guessing it would be the 31 game unbeaten streak from 1977-1979 and the three-consecutive state championships 1976-1978.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

This thread is about the "most significant ERA" of a team which makes it "THE program".
Geneseo has had multiple eras. Which is their best era?

I am guessing it would be the 31 game unbeaten streak from 1977-1979 and the three-consecutive state championships 1976-1978.

Agreed.

Also Driscoll had 35 straight playoff wins in a row giving them 7 straight state titles. I don't think this will ever be duplicated again. Interesting #35 was Driscoll great Greg Turner's jersey number. I believe they were already mentioned above.

Rochester 25 straight playoff wins in a row with 5 straight titles.

 

[septon34]

Even a SR grad has to admit that MC has clearly been the best program in the last 30 years. They have the most titles and also played the toughest competition over those years. They could easily have another 5 titles.

 

[OldLeaf]

No....I disagree. I'm old enough and watched Geneseo football since 1960. Geneseo's best football teams were in the era of 1965 thru 1970. They were dominate, a juggernaut and put on football clinics every Friday night regardless of their competition.....this era of Geneseo football was superior to any of their other eras. Here are some other numbers into Geneseo football and how I would rank them:

1) 1965 thru 1970: 52-1-1.....averaging almost 9 wins and 0 losses over 6 seasons with a .972 win %
2) 1976 thru 1978: 38-1-0....averaging almost 13 wins and 0 losses over 3 seasons with a .974 win %
3) 1972 thru 1982: 116-12-2...averaging almost 11 wins and 1 loss over 11 seasons with a .900 win %
4) 1965 thru 1982: 173-17-3....averaging almost 10 wins and 1 loss over 18 seasons with a .904 win %
5) 1963 to Present: 484-100-4....averaging over 9 wins and less than 2 losses over the last 53 seasons with a .827 win %

The current 53 consecutive winning seasons streak consists of 39 out of a possible 42 playoff appearances and 111 playoff games for Geneseo to experience their 100th loss over the last 53 years.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

Even a SR grad has to admit that MC has clearly been the best program in the last 30 years. They have the most titles and also played the toughest competition over those years. They could easily have another 5 titles.

When u look at that 86-02 span for MC. 9 titles, two 2nd place finishes