Which true freshmen will play?
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Quay - was there is spring, lose Boyd after this year
Redmond - lose 3 corners after this year, gotta get him up to game speed
B. Brown and R. Brown - they want to play
kicker Bell
N. James - maybe
Redmond - lose 3 corners after this year, gotta get him up to game speed
B. Brown and R. Brown - they want to play
kicker Bell
N. James - maybe
Banks, Broomfield, and Slay all graduate after this season. Dan will get him reps to make sure he's ready to step in and start next year.
[list type=decimal][*]Devon Bell (kickoffs)[*]Quay Evans (he's on the 2 deep and has been here for 8 months)[*]Will Redmond (he's a stud and needs game experience)[*]Richie Brown (will throw a fit if he doesn't-probably plays on special teams)[*]Possibly B. Brown[/list]<div>
</div><div>I think Nick James is capable of helping but my gut is he redshirts. I just don't think we need him yet with Boyd, Virges, D Jones, PJ Jones, and Q Evans.</div>
</div><div>I think Nick James is capable of helping but my gut is he redshirts. I just don't think we need him yet with Boyd, Virges, D Jones, PJ Jones, and Q Evans.</div>
say someone on DL is going to be suspended for half the season. Either that is Nick or someone else and it clears a spot for Nick.
I am afraid of not playing him this year. May get into trouble, not make grades, or do something else foolish. I am with the "keep him interested crowd".
I am afraid of not playing him this year. May get into trouble, not make grades, or do something else foolish. I am with the "keep him interested crowd".
My understanding is he's smart, so I could understand him taking the position that he plans to graduate in four years and move on from undergrad regardless, whether it's NFL, work, or grad school. I'm just curious how it's common knowledge. Did he make it known during the recruiting process that he wouldn't be redshirting or something?
Richie said during recruitment that he had told coaches that he didn't want to sit out. He wanted to play right away. Maybe he changes his mind, I don't know.
Guys like Richie and Beniquez make good special teams players. They are athletic and fast enough to cover kicks, tackle in space, block in the open field, etc. (imagine Devon Desper or Quay Evans running down on the kickoff team). They are also big enough, and physically mature enough to handle the blocking and tackling that special teams requires (some true freshman skill players aren't big enough, strong enough, or have the blocking and tackling skills yet).
Guys like Richie and Beniquez make good special teams players. They are athletic and fast enough to cover kicks, tackle in space, block in the open field, etc. (imagine Devon Desper or Quay Evans running down on the kickoff team). They are also big enough, and physically mature enough to handle the blocking and tackling that special teams requires (some true freshman skill players aren't big enough, strong enough, or have the blocking and tackling skills yet).
but he said he chose us because he could get on the field immediately<div>
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</div><div>Sounds like R Brown got the 'ole recruiting pitch. However, he's a smart kid, handled the recruiting process as well as anyone and is a valuable asset to us. Glad to have him whether we see him this year or not.</div>
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</div><div>Sounds like R Brown got the 'ole recruiting pitch. However, he's a smart kid, handled the recruiting process as well as anyone and is a valuable asset to us. Glad to have him whether we see him this year or not.</div>
1. Devon Bell
2. the Sobiesk kicker
3. Redmond - needs experience quick for the future
4. Jiles - same as Redmond... losing a bunch of secondary we need experience.
5. Richie B - I think he's more game ready than B Brown. I think B Brown redshirts.
6. Quay - He was here in the spring... he has the leg up on Nick James.
Depending on this supposed DL suspension, we'll probably see with James. Judging by the fact that those posters who alluded to this suspension didn't get too worried, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's most likely a DT suspended... and it's most likely a role player or younger guy. If it's not Cherrington.... I don't see the need to play James this year. Dewayne can be the hole-plugger on short yardage.... I just don't think James will be conditioned enough.
2. the Sobiesk kicker
3. Redmond - needs experience quick for the future
4. Jiles - same as Redmond... losing a bunch of secondary we need experience.
5. Richie B - I think he's more game ready than B Brown. I think B Brown redshirts.
6. Quay - He was here in the spring... he has the leg up on Nick James.
Depending on this supposed DL suspension, we'll probably see with James. Judging by the fact that those posters who alluded to this suspension didn't get too worried, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's most likely a DT suspended... and it's most likely a role player or younger guy. If it's not Cherrington.... I don't see the need to play James this year. Dewayne can be the hole-plugger on short yardage.... I just don't think James will be conditioned enough.
and probably don't need to play either. Would hate to waste both of their freshman years when we are so stacked with LBs this year and only lose Cam Lawrence. We may play Richie because he's not going to be happy redshirting but if we do he will likely be used more on special teams. We are only taking 1 LB this year so we need to spread out the classes and if we play Richie he will essentially be in the same class with now MLB Benardrick McKinney.
After seeing this picture, I am going to go ahead and predict (hopefully incorrectly) that Nick is another Renardo. I know he has not been doing all the conditioning and working out with the team like everyone else but come on, man! He's got to be pushing himself until he is on the verge of death, or he can just redshirt.<div>
</div><div>I think Quay plays to prepare for Boyd's departure and he is too much of a talent to not see the field, especially with the alleged suspension of an unnamed defensive linemand. </div><div>Redmond plays because it seems like our entire secondary is graduating, with the exception of Whitley I hope.</div><div>Richie Brown plays on special teams and a little bit on the defensive side of the ball. We aren't that deep/proven at linebacker so this should play right into his want to play.</div>
</div><div>I think Quay plays to prepare for Boyd's departure and he is too much of a talent to not see the field, especially with the alleged suspension of an unnamed defensive linemand. </div><div>Redmond plays because it seems like our entire secondary is graduating, with the exception of Whitley I hope.</div><div>Richie Brown plays on special teams and a little bit on the defensive side of the ball. We aren't that deep/proven at linebacker so this should play right into his want to play.</div>
Supposedly Wilson told James he would "drop him off at the trailer park he found him at" if Nick doesn't do things the right way on and off the field.
The dude is a freakish talent, but I will be pleasantly surprised if he is on the team next year. As others have said, I think redshirting him would be the worst thing we could do. I think we have to play him just to try and keep him interested.
Quay seems to have bought in to the program, though. He is going to be fine.
The dude is a freakish talent, but I will be pleasantly surprised if he is on the team next year. As others have said, I think redshirting him would be the worst thing we could do. I think we have to play him just to try and keep him interested.
Quay seems to have bought in to the program, though. He is going to be fine.
every team on every level- including the NFL- has these guys. He very well could end up redshirting because of his weight and being out of shape. It's hard to learn and get quality reps when you are trying to just survive practice because your fatass is so damn hot.
Quay is going to play and probably end up starting before we get thru the 1st half of the season. He is blowing people up at practice- he just has to build some more endurance and practice harder.
Quay is going to play and probably end up starting before we get thru the 1st half of the season. He is blowing people up at practice- he just has to build some more endurance and practice harder.
Kyle Love would be blowing everybody out in wind sprints. James is 340+ lbs...He's not going to look good running. In fact, I don't want him to be a great runner. I want him to figure out how to stop other people from running...mainly when they have a ball and an opposing jersey. I get that it is disappointing to see this but look on the bright side, Banks ended up getting a better workout.
I think he realizes he might have not played enough freshman in the last couple years. Playing very few freshman and a low attrition rate is pressing the 85 man roster. <div>
</div><div>With that being said I think both Browns, Giles or Redmond, Quay, and James get PT. And obviously the kickers.</div>
</div><div>With that being said I think both Browns, Giles or Redmond, Quay, and James get PT. And obviously the kickers.</div>
SEC summer football practice. If you are not prepared for it your *** will suck wind like you never knew you could. Now he would probably be<div>blowing people up and not even breaking a sweat if he was "Sweatin to the Oldies" in Oxford**, sorry couldn't help myself</div>
be addressed by attrition more so than playing more guys as true freshman unless they are REALLY ready to play. I'm sorry but if a guy is not giving significant minutes by the time he is a Junior it might be time to consider transferring somehwere where he can play or just concentrating on an education. And we have some like that. Its a new day with all these new signing restrictions and scholarship limits and if you are not contributing then its time to look at doing something different.
They haven't been in the program very long, but guys like Eric Lawson and John Harris are never going to play. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move on. Market is another young guy who will be a career special teamer, but he isn't going anywhere.
Trapp, Hardy, Watson and some other guys are gone after this year, so that's some guys who are leaving who aren't really contributors.
With us having so many guys along both lines of scrimmage, I wouldn't be surprised to see an OL or DL or two transfer out almost every year. Could maybe happen at LB as well, since he have a lot of bodies there and only lose Lawrence.
I still can't figure out why we signed Gus Walley when Johnson and Hill are only sophomores and Warren is a freshman. Doesn't make any sense.
Trapp, Hardy, Watson and some other guys are gone after this year, so that's some guys who are leaving who aren't really contributors.
With us having so many guys along both lines of scrimmage, I wouldn't be surprised to see an OL or DL or two transfer out almost every year. Could maybe happen at LB as well, since he have a lot of bodies there and only lose Lawrence.
I still can't figure out why we signed Gus Walley when Johnson and Hill are only sophomores and Warren is a freshman. Doesn't make any sense.
Y'all might not believe me, but this is how it'll happen.
Quay-Will play, probably won't start, at least not in the beginning. Judging from the spring game and the open practice he's already in the two deep, and will have had 8 months of S&C and learning the playbook. He grew up a lot in spring practice.
Nick-Redshirt. Behind Boyd, Curtis Virges(both starters), Quay Evans and P.J. Jones(a guy who made a few sacks last year as a true freshman). Not gonna burn Nick's year when we burned P.J's and are about to burn Quay's.
Will/Cedric-Redshirt. We have Slay and Banks at corner, broom's at safety but if we need to we can still move Nickoe to free and Arrington to strong. Plus we have Jamerson Love, a guy who played last year as a true freshman and Taveze Calhoun, who's not as good as Love but still has had a year to acclimate to the schemes and playbook. Not to mention that Banks has come out and said "Watch Love and Calhoun, they're good" . We're not going to burn their years when we've already burned Love's and we already have five players who are better. Not to mention the possibility of us signing Justin Cox from EMCC and him starting immediately for us.
The Browns-One might play but my money is on both redshirting. We're only losing one Linebacker this year so it's not like we need to replace anything. Barring injuries we might use one but I don't think we'll need either of them. Our linebackers are Cam Lawrence, Deonte Skinner, Bednarik McKinney(who has emerged as our MLB, might rotate to outside with a couple other guys), Between Bohanna, Chris Hughes, Matt Wells and Christian Holmes we have four back-ups that have had three years in strength and conditioning and learning the defense. Neither Richie or Beniquez is going to beat that.
Quay-Will play, probably won't start, at least not in the beginning. Judging from the spring game and the open practice he's already in the two deep, and will have had 8 months of S&C and learning the playbook. He grew up a lot in spring practice.
Nick-Redshirt. Behind Boyd, Curtis Virges(both starters), Quay Evans and P.J. Jones(a guy who made a few sacks last year as a true freshman). Not gonna burn Nick's year when we burned P.J's and are about to burn Quay's.
Will/Cedric-Redshirt. We have Slay and Banks at corner, broom's at safety but if we need to we can still move Nickoe to free and Arrington to strong. Plus we have Jamerson Love, a guy who played last year as a true freshman and Taveze Calhoun, who's not as good as Love but still has had a year to acclimate to the schemes and playbook. Not to mention that Banks has come out and said "Watch Love and Calhoun, they're good" . We're not going to burn their years when we've already burned Love's and we already have five players who are better. Not to mention the possibility of us signing Justin Cox from EMCC and him starting immediately for us.
The Browns-One might play but my money is on both redshirting. We're only losing one Linebacker this year so it's not like we need to replace anything. Barring injuries we might use one but I don't think we'll need either of them. Our linebackers are Cam Lawrence, Deonte Skinner, Bednarik McKinney(who has emerged as our MLB, might rotate to outside with a couple other guys), Between Bohanna, Chris Hughes, Matt Wells and Christian Holmes we have four back-ups that have had three years in strength and conditioning and learning the defense. Neither Richie or Beniquez is going to beat that.
so you're saying he made all that up and will only play maybe two? there's a couple of other flaws in your post too. jamerson love was not a true freshman, he redshirted in 2010. we won't be 'moving' nickoe to free safety to let arrington play, he's already at free safety, brooms been playing ss. and cox is being recruited as a safety so he couldn't be taking anyone's spot at cb. calhoun and love are who we have in place to replace 3 senior corners. we have to and will play either redmond or giles, maybe even both.<div id="LCS_336D0C35_8A85_403a_B9D2_65C292C39087_communicationDiv"></div>
<div>They have you on the hook for 5 years instead of 4. You don't see that being a problem?</div><div>
</div><div>There is a such thing as "good attrition". Hopefully some of the fat will get trimmed when they realize they will never see the field. You mathematically cannot redshirt every player. And Mullen has damn near been doing that in the last couple years. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think next year class can only be in the 18 player range. And if the 2014 class is stacked and we kick *** this year, it could put us in a bind.</div><div>
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</div><div>There is a such thing as "good attrition". Hopefully some of the fat will get trimmed when they realize they will never see the field. You mathematically cannot redshirt every player. And Mullen has damn near been doing that in the last couple years. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think next year class can only be in the 18 player range. And if the 2014 class is stacked and we kick *** this year, it could put us in a bind.</div><div>
</div><div>Theoretically, losing 3 players in each class would set you up to hit your 25 man class.</div><div>
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You seem to agree with me that there is such a thing as good attrition, and yet your alsoworried thatwe're going to be stuck with unperforming players for 5 years. True, not every player is going to improve enough to contribute. But the overwhelming majority are going to be much better players as 5th year seniors than as true freshmen. That's just a fact. If a guy's good enough to start as a true freshmen, then yeah, he starts. But otherwise it's best to redshirt him if you possibly can. Good attrition can always take care of enough non-performers to make the scholarships work. That's not a problem at all.
If you don't redshirt anybody, you still need 5 people from each class to leave in order to sign a full 25. Pretty sure that will be taken care of naturally. You redshirt 25 a year, then you need 10 per class, which is not going to be taken care of naturally, especially since you'd need 10 gone after their redshirt year or to process half or more of some of the upper classmen. Somewhere between there is a number where natural attrition takes care of it and you aren't constantly cutting people to make room for new players. I'm sure at some times kids are going to be encouraged to transfer or another solution will be provided, but I'd like to avoid offering scholarships to people that we know have a good chance of having their scholarship yanked down the road to make room for new recruits.patdog said:
If you have to cut a few players here and there to make it work, that's too bad, but this is the SEC. If you can't produce at a minimum level, there's no room for you.But there's nothing that says you HAVE to sgn 25 every year to begin with. If you assume no attrition at all (obviously not realistic), I'd rather sign 17 per year for 5 years each than sign 21 per year for 4 years each. Like I said earlier, almost every player is going to be much better as a 5th year senior than as a true freshman.
Because we can't cherry pick like Bama and LSU. I'd rather have more opportunities at the "diamonds intherough". They have been our bread and butter. And let's face it, we will probably never have recruiting class brimming with 4 star players.<div>
</div><div>Problem is that we are redshirting too much while having very little natural attrition. We also aren't cutting anyone either.</div>
</div><div>Problem is that we are redshirting too much while having very little natural attrition. We also aren't cutting anyone either.</div>
That's been my point the whole thread. But if cutting players weren't an option, we'd be a lot better off signing fewer and having a roster with 17 5th-year seniors and 4 fewer true freshmen than one with no 5th-year seniors. That's not even debatable.