Who do you want as MState's next President
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Harry Truax III.nafoom
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He did all the hard work, made the tough changes. While he pissed all the libs, students and academs off, he also is their scapegoat. He left, now Keenum can come in, proceed with the same agenda, albeit alot more moderate and more slowly, and be loved by all. But Doc set the ball rolling. He rid us of Templeton and awakened the silent majority to what the potential could be.
So either way, that woe is me lazy attitude is history. Deal with it.
So either way, that woe is me lazy attitude is history. Deal with it.
Byrne trumps all that stupid ********. Faculty estrangement? Cry me a %@%@!$$ river. He got most of them off their asses and made them earn their ******** paycheck. Campus beautification? I think the campus looks great. Arrogant ***? He was very nice to me, the two times that I met him. Cowbell liked him? Hitler could have been MSU president, and cowbell would have supported him.
Pros: Greg Byrne
Cons: Who gives a ****.
Pros: Greg Byrne
Cons: Who gives a ****.
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Harry Truax III.nafoom
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Settling disagreements one at the time, compromising, and so on. Doc comes in and speeds the process up exponentially. Now, everyone gets what they want, a new president who wants to push us forward but also caters to the faculty. An MSU guy. No matter what side you're on, you'll most likely like Keenum. I like him because of what he can get done, you like him because he's not Foglesong.
No, pissing off the faculty probably wasn't smart - for Foglesong. It was going to be done regardless if we were to ever become a top notch university, but Foglesong just got it all out of the way in 2 short years. And now he's gone.
No, pissing off the faculty probably wasn't smart - for Foglesong. It was going to be done regardless if we were to ever become a top notch university, but Foglesong just got it all out of the way in 2 short years. And now he's gone.
I completely agree with you that the sentiment that pissing off everyone who works for the university is no big deal is completely stupid, but in what way does campus look bad? I think it looks great.
this isn't exactly true in my opinion:
also i haven't seen any global numbers on teacher evaluations that would suggest that students received better instruction during his tenure. if anything, he distracted the faculty ...or.... better yet they distracted theirselves with him.
you guys don't actually believe that he was going by to see if people were doing research or teaching with more enthusiasm do you?
the faculty hating him because they had to do their jobs seems to be a myth of epic proportions. from what i heard they hated him because he wasn't one of them and because he got **** done by command rather than by committee (which means he actually got **** done).
i am not defending the faculty or doc, just trying to explain what i heard and saw while he was around.
there isn't much of a way to tell if he did that. research productivity has been on an incline even before doc. anything big that occurred while he was here most likely took years to come to fruition (i.e. completion of projects, awards, nsf grants, etc.). he wasn't here long enough to "get them off of their asses" as most people like to believe.
also i haven't seen any global numbers on teacher evaluations that would suggest that students received better instruction during his tenure. if anything, he distracted the faculty ...or.... better yet they distracted theirselves with him.
you guys don't actually believe that he was going by to see if people were doing research or teaching with more enthusiasm do you?
the faculty hating him because they had to do their jobs seems to be a myth of epic proportions. from what i heard they hated him because he wasn't one of them and because he got **** done by command rather than by committee (which means he actually got **** done).
i am not defending the faculty or doc, just trying to explain what i heard and saw while he was around.
Alot of those classes are being transfered to the wildlife and fisheries department. There is not a whole lot of teachers left. One teacher told my sister-in-law to get her masters in wildlife and fisheries or a different school because the department was not in good shape. She heard it was from who Doc appointed as head of the department. Dr. Downer told her he was quitting so he wouldn't have to deal with her anymore.
stupid.
I have hereby decreed.
The facility is largely a bunch of liberal lazy *** pimps who consider themselves above any authority.
I have hereby decreed.
The facility is largely a bunch of liberal lazy *** pimps who consider themselves above any authority.
Brutius said:
Your overreaching with that statement. Alot of faculty liked Fogelsong and thought he was doing a good job. The thought he was weird as hell, but he did his job of President. Those who voiced their displeasure of him are the ones who will always voice their displeasure who is in the office.