I see the term "not ready" thrown around a ton. What does that mean? Who is ready? None of the freshman outside of maybe ball and fultz are "ready". Each year no more than a handful are "ready". Valentine from MSU was a senior, he's still not "ready". You leave when your stock is high. Luke's is high.
Who is leaving next year?
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This will be an interesting draft for Duke fans. If we could get banner #6 I could care less who stays or leaves as they will have accomplished the ultimate goal.
I will base my opinion on % gone to NBA.
Tatum = 100%
Giles = 70% this is a tough situation to read. He has lot to lose and gain either way he leans.
Allen = 65% a senior year and a weaker draft next year could raise his stock.
Kennard = 70% riding the wave as Duke's alpha male this season increases his chance to go.
Bolden = 50% I have no idea how to read his situation.
Frank = 5% unless he had an amazing tourney run I just don't see him leaving.
I will base my opinion on % gone to NBA.
Tatum = 100%
Giles = 70% this is a tough situation to read. He has lot to lose and gain either way he leans.
Allen = 65% a senior year and a weaker draft next year could raise his stock.
Kennard = 70% riding the wave as Duke's alpha male this season increases his chance to go.
Bolden = 50% I have no idea how to read his situation.
Frank = 5% unless he had an amazing tourney run I just don't see him leaving.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. I would do same thing if I was a kid, doesn't mean too many are NBA ready. Tyus Jones is just an example. Plenty more. My point is there's more busts than success stories. System is what it is, but in my opinion it's as broken as the healthcare system
Sure but you're kind of talking about two different things. Yes, the system sucks, no question.
But being NBA ready. Few are no matter how many years you stay in school, it's kind of irrelevant. Tyus stayed one, Quinn stayed four, neither were necessarily ready for the NBA and those were two of the most mature guys we've had in the last decade. Few and far between do you get a kid that is ready for the NBA regardless of how long they stay.
Yes but at least your kids like Cook and Brogden from UVA stayed to improve themselves. Cook and Brogden are probably where there at because they stayed entire career. All I'm saying is it should be better than formula currently in place. Lance Thomas is playing in NBA. There has to be a better way is all I'm saying.
I think so too unless we make a run to the Elite 8 this postseason which is frankly not likely.
PG: Duval *fingers crossed*
G: Kennard
G: Allen
F: Carter
C: Bolden
That's a pretty good lineup. Only thing is I think Frank will be better next year. Duval is a PERMANENT MARKER fill-in for point guard. So that leaves the other two perimeter to the upperclassmen. Coach K loves his upperclassmen. Plus Gary Trent will be there. I think we only need one of Allen and Kennard. Not both
I don't like talking about the future, especially when the current season is getting ready to hit the best time of the year. On all this talk, take into account how K coaches, what players are technically available to return, then add what's coming in and the caliber of those coming in. I'm just talking about the guard positions here but at least one of current guards will not be coming back. Remember there's only one basketball to go around, and that's an awful lot of chefs in the kitchen
Trent won't be on the bench much next season. That's for sure..... I Foresee depth issues coming. We need to keep the younger program players around that is for sure. It's a damn shame how under appreciated they are in general!! From the beginning of their careers to the very end.
David Robinson has been at a lot of games too. I guess that's a strong indicator that Justin will be declaring after the season.
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no but the rumors surface before his back injury and I was simply stating that he was doing the same thing the poster said Jeter is doing now
If he wants to. Keep holding out hope on Luke
Look at it like this. You really think if Duke lands Duval with Trent already signed on. You see Luke or Allen coming off the bench? You see Jackson, with the flashes he's shown wanting to see limited minutes?
Duval comes, he's not coming of the bench!
Trent I don't see coming off the bench and him and Duval are both one and done.
So are we saying Duke plays small if Jeter, Bolden, Javin and White come back with Carter starting?
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Exactly! That's my point you think Grayson will either? One hundred percent healthy?
Heck I forgot about O'Connell coming in as well.
So let's look at it. O'Connell is figured to be a bench player freshman year but Luke and Allen return with Jackson and Trent then add in Duval We all know Duval comes he's starting off top. So you have Trent, Luke, Allen and Jackson. So Duke goes small but say Duke lands Knox by some chance! Do you move Trent to the bench with Allen and Jackson and have Luke and Duval start? Well what about White? He not gonna play again next season because Trent or Allen aren't no pg so that leaves Jackson backing up Duval which is good for Jackson.
Right now one is going either Allen or Luke or both. At the moment Luke is the only one on any draft board.
LOL....Kennard coming off the bench after being ACC POY as a sophomore. That is pure comedy gold. C'mon man.
Luke, Jayson, Marques and Harry are probably draft bound. (Ques may take his name out and come back.)
Chase I could see transferring. AV I thought was gonna go, but he's happy at Duke. Javin is looking at a starting spot next season. And there is a thought that Grayson will come back for redemption. And because he's not on many scout boards (NBA GM's want to see him have a full season without issues). Of course a good tourney will send him packing.
Chase I could see transferring. AV I thought was gonna go, but he's happy at Duke. Javin is looking at a starting spot next season. And there is a thought that Grayson will come back for redemption. And because he's not on many scout boards (NBA GM's want to see him have a full season without issues). Of course a good tourney will send him packing.
You realize I'm talking about him not going to come off the bench right?
After this year I don't think you can 'permanent marker' anyone. Duval can't shoot 3s or free throws, and he's not known to be a student of the game like Tyus was. I can imagine a situation where he and the staff don't see eye-to-eye.
Hope not but after this year - with our so-called deepest team in years - when we still play 6.5 guys, nothing will surprise me when it comes to roster management.
As great as Trent sounds, he is not even top 10 in a class not as good as this year's class. Inking him in as a starter and one and done is a bit ridiculous. If we don't get/keep 2 of Allen, Kennard, Duval, or Knox, he almost has to start. That is not a great situation for Duke no matter how good he is unless Alex or Jack really step up and Carter has at least two other legitimate bigs to help out.
Luke is gone! He need look no further than his teammate Grayson Allen and the mistake he made last year. You leave when your stock is high. Allen made a terrible mistake in returning.
Grayson's stock is down, but time wil tell if it was a terrible mistake. Money isn't everything and he may still get a fat check.
Just don't know if Grayson wants to put up with all the BS next year
Will be interesting to see the input that Luke gets when he attends the NBA evaluation camp.Does anyone have a date for it?JMO but that will make the decision for him
Grayson ain't getting a check from the league. Maybe overseas. Tatum is gone. Kinnard should be gone. Giles is iffy. Not sure how much more he will improve under K. Jeter is out of here. Bolden iffy. My guess if Bolden and Jeter don't see any run in tournaments they are transferring. That's the thing about Duke big men. If they come in and start out hot, they play. However if not the start getting shuffeled toward end of bench. Coach does not develop the bigs. Thats the way it is with the way K is recruiting.
Grayson will not play over seas he will play in the league period. He can shoot and ask any NBA scout and they will tell you the league is becoming a shooters league.
I guess we will sit back and see come the end of March
I guess we will sit back and see come the end of March
Brian Zoubek and 3 Plumlees disagree. Also you can see the development in players like Amile Jefferson and Lance Thomas.
Any thoughts on how Jordan could've improved his fadeaway? How bout some tips on how Gretsky could've honed that slap shot? What do you know about "developing bigs"? Are you referring to early, oversized photography or have you been sitting in on practice? Bolden has been working on his game all year. Chase has been hurt. But you probably know all this.
Duke does develop bigs....heck , even Shav got some burn in the league. The perception seems to be that if you're a big man and ya don't show out from Day 1 , K Will give ya time but he's also not gonna think of your career in terms of a single season. All those bigs mentioned ( except Shav ) were 4 year guys. Big men who aren't pretty close to being "finished products" ( Jah , for example ) are gonna pay some dues at Duke. Kinda hard to argue the point too.
Bolden is not transferring, it makes no sense for him. He is either declaring for the draft or staying at Duke. Why would he transfer and sit out a year, when he could go to the league (DLeague) or over seas to play?
Bolden has a lot to think about
1- Enter the draft and see what happens. Even if he goes to the D League he can develop
2- Return to Duke and compete with Carter to play the 5. Play along side of Carter as two bigs
3- leave Duke. Sit out and practice then enter the draft following his RS year
1- Enter the draft and see what happens. Even if he goes to the D League he can develop
2- Return to Duke and compete with Carter to play the 5. Play along side of Carter as two bigs
3- leave Duke. Sit out and practice then enter the draft following his RS year
I've probably concentrated on Wendell harder than any recruit. This kid is solid as a rock. Great confidence, great moves in the paint, fantastic anticipation, intelligence is sky high, and just has a legs/base that seems strong and solid. From day one I prayed we land him.
Show have not seen him play but from what I have read isn't he versatile enough to play like Ryan Kelly did with a much better inside game? Not arguing but if this is the case couldn't he start with Bolden at the five
We've been discussing this thread for 3 pages now and the obvious most sensible thing hasn't even been brought up. What's guru gary-7 saying. OFC