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He’s not getting fired. Not during the season. No way with that buyout. The athletic department cannot keep bleeding their donors to bail them out of bad dealings.
It will be interesting to see how much more we will lose in ticket sales than his buyout costs. If the stadium looks like it did late last season by mid season, I could actually see them fire him mid season. Sending a message that we actually want to win might get some fans to show back up, even with an interim coach. We will just see how it goes.
Agreed. However, this is the season his entire WVU tenure will be based on. If he doesn’t win 7-8 games, he’s gone. And looking at the schedule, I don’t see it happening. I’m thinking max of 6 wins at best. Most likely less.
He will finish the season but the season may be his finish.
Who gets fired first?
Neal or Dana
Neal every day of the week. Twice on Tuesday. If Dana gets fired first, WVU fans should riot.
Well lets do the math. The last home game there were I heard 16,000 people there. But lets say 20,000 because that is at least a full 1/3 of the stadium and on TV is kind of sort of looked like maybe a 3rd of the stadium was full, maybe. Ticket prices are from $27 all the way up for over a thousand. But lets use the lowest possible number for ticket prices just to do it. .
So if 20k show up, there are 40k empty seats. 40k x 27 = 1,080,000 in one game and that doesnt include the loss of sales on refreshments.
So it would be easy to see, if you use the real ticket prices, it would be much higher. We could easily lose up to 1-2 million per home game if we do what we did at the end of last season when no one wanted to go anymore.
Lol that is total ********. The official numbers were ********. The stadium was mostly empty not even half the crowd was there. A 7 month old couldve seen that. I cant take you as a serious poster anymore. More like a NB troll.
Houston will have nine transfers starting on defense and eight on offense...what happened to all of the talent DH said he could recruit in the Houston area?
7-8 is just a stay of execution. I highly doubt if he pulled that off it would portend to him becoming a coach capable of winning 10 games in the future. It would be best for the program's future success, even if not the athletic department's pocket book, for Brown to flame out and force his firing this season than to limp to 7 wins and keep the position 1 more year.
Tickets sold is what brings in the income. So, if there were only 20,000 in the stands, but over 50,000 had bought tickets (and didn't show up).....then there wasn't really any lost revenue.
EDIT: The total paid attendance was 37,000 for the K-State game.
Here is some good info:
For example, WVU over the last five years has played at just 73.4% of its stadium capacity. Of the 14 teams that will make up the “new Big 12” competing this year before Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC, that is lower than any schools other than Kansas and Houston.
The Mountaineers have gone from an average of 58,158 five years ago in 2018 to 55,907 to the COVID year of 6,653 per game to 51,584 in 2021 and just 47,658 last year.
The 47,658 is the lowest home attendance other than in the COVID year since 2001 when Rich Rodriguez’s team averaged 48,323 per game.
What’s more, last season’s largest crowd was 52,188 for the home opener against Kansas. By the time they got to the season’s final game at home against Kansas State the attendance was 37,055.
https://www.timeswv.com/sports/wvu_...cle_95c6a176-b3c0-11ed-a61c-dfb43dd541ec.html
For example, WVU over the last five years has played at just 73.4% of its stadium capacity. Of the 14 teams that will make up the “new Big 12” competing this year before Texas and Oklahoma leave for the SEC, that is lower than any schools other than Kansas and Houston.
The Mountaineers have gone from an average of 58,158 five years ago in 2018 to 55,907 to the COVID year of 6,653 per game to 51,584 in 2021 and just 47,658 last year.
The 47,658 is the lowest home attendance other than in the COVID year since 2001 when Rich Rodriguez’s team averaged 48,323 per game.
What’s more, last season’s largest crowd was 52,188 for the home opener against Kansas. By the time they got to the season’s final game at home against Kansas State the attendance was 37,055.
https://www.timeswv.com/sports/wvu_...cle_95c6a176-b3c0-11ed-a61c-dfb43dd541ec.html
I'll never hope WVU loses just to change coaches...the next one will probably be someone we never heard of like Nehlen and will expect a huge buyout...ECU did that with Ruff..the new guy SM went 3-9,3-9,3-8 (fired before the last game 3-9). McNeill got paid close to a million dollars on his contract..then Montgomery received 800,000 on his
I’m not a Dana fan, but unless you’re a blueblood, relying on transfers is going to be the future for schools like WVU. Some of your players may leave and you will need to annually keep up by updating your roster via the portal.
And your evaluation of ALL the competition is based on WHAT FACTUAL DATA? Your 'opinion' is, well just THAT--OPINION. WOOPEE!!!!
I'm not saying you should. But coaches that struggle to break .500 in their 5th year at a school rarely go on to significant success at that school. I'd also say that there is a difference between hoping to lose and being more tolerant of it. Players do not hope for pain, but tolerate it as part of the training it takes to get better. The pain is not the end goal, just a necessary sacrifice for long term success.
He didn't much recruit talent at WVU. Many of his wins came from Bill Stewart recruits.
Neal Brown has to go even if he wins 10 games this season. Any amount of games. The dude is not a good fit at WVU and its not even close. The only single reason he wasnt fired already is the buyout. An AD was fired because of Neal's failures and a terrible contract decision. You cant keep Neal now after all that. He is ready to move on as well. Its just not a good fit. Gee and Alsop made a terrible decision to keep him another year, which is no surprise because they dont know jack about football.
I don’t think Lyons was fired over that reason alone, but more for his blocking the NIL group from coming in and helping.
Not that reason alone, but it was definitely the football program failures that made everything front and center. From what we know, Lyons dropped the ball on the NIL, but beyond that his football hire is destroying the bread and butter of WVU altogether. Thanks to the absurd and un-earned buyout, we're just stuck with Brown because they dont want to pay it. That dude from barstool or whatever is right. Neal isnt just on the hot seat, he is just waiting to be fired and is only here because of a technicality, not because WVU or Mountaineer nation wants him. Its a stupid thing and if I were him I would not even want to be here and he probably doesnt.
You're only going to be as good as your recruiting.
If Brown was recruiting somewhere in the top 20, this year and last year, and most of those kids are still on the roster he might be able to survive a .500 year if the team was showing improvement week to week.
But, that's not happening - either of those scenarios. Brown's going to be gone when the season ends. Recruits know he's a sitting duck - that's why the majority of the players who are committing are MAC level players and WVU is their best offer.
The money's there, the timing is right. Unless he can pull a TCU-like miracle, he's gone the second week of December.
If Brown was recruiting somewhere in the top 20, this year and last year, and most of those kids are still on the roster he might be able to survive a .500 year if the team was showing improvement week to week.
But, that's not happening - either of those scenarios. Brown's going to be gone when the season ends. Recruits know he's a sitting duck - that's why the majority of the players who are committing are MAC level players and WVU is their best offer.
The money's there, the timing is right. Unless he can pull a TCU-like miracle, he's gone the second week of December.
Brown has supposedly put together some of our best recruiting ever. That is all Ive heard in the last few years. Great recruiting under Brown, just zero player development. How many 4 star WRs have we had and not a single one could hold onto the ball? That is no coincidence. There is something wrong with that locker room, and it starts at the top. That dude could have all 4 star players and he would probably only be worse. And that could, perhaps, be because if he had a roster full of 4 and 5 star guys, he is the kind of wimp who would make the backup punter team captain just to be inclusive and woke, with his player-led fantasy garbage. The dude's coaching philosophy is the real issue. It will never work here. Players dont see him as a leader, obviously.
I was expecting this to trigger you and I'm glad it did lol. I luv me some french fried taters....
After 4 years at WVU, all that proves is those results were more due to how teams prepare for a Troy than for a West Virginia and not Neal's coaching ability.
Neal Brown admits he cant be a real leader, so he thinks its smart to let 20 year old kids do it. This experiment has failed miserably. This dude is unredeemable. Michigan States coach tried to do the same thing and his team blew up on him and all kinds of drama ensued. Neal Brown doesnt want to be the leader that these kids actually need at that stage in their lives. He wants them to do it, even though it has never worked that way and these kids are just becoming legal age men. This dude is a fkn wimp. He is not a leader of men, or even boys for that matter.
“When you have teams where nobody leads, they’re not very good,” Brown explained. “When you have coach-led teams you’re probably about average and when you have player-led teams you have a chance to be elite.” (Elite? Evidence? Zero. The only part of this statement that has evidence to back it up is the first sentence. He gets paid millions to lead and he doesnt even want to lol. Lame, but he is right, we are not very good. We dont have leadership and it shows)
“The best teams are driven by their leaders,” ( no **** its why we suck lol!!)
The ultimate goal for his West Virginia University football team, Neal Brown has stressed on more than one occasion, is to create a player-led environment rather than one where the leadership only flows down from the coaching staff. (no wonder we suck and dont seem to have direction or an identity. We have coach wimp and his band of goobers who want players to do what the coaches are actually paid millions to do.)
“When you have teams where nobody leads, they’re not very good,” Brown explained. “When you have coach-led teams you’re probably about average and when you have player-led teams you have a chance to be elite.” (Elite? Evidence? Zero. The only part of this statement that has evidence to back it up is the first sentence. He gets paid millions to lead and he doesnt even want to lol. Lame, but he is right, we are not very good. We dont have leadership and it shows)
“The best teams are driven by their leaders,” ( no **** its why we suck lol!!)
The ultimate goal for his West Virginia University football team, Neal Brown has stressed on more than one occasion, is to create a player-led environment rather than one where the leadership only flows down from the coaching staff. (no wonder we suck and dont seem to have direction or an identity. We have coach wimp and his band of goobers who want players to do what the coaches are actually paid millions to do.)
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says who? you don't know that..yeah we're so above a program like Troy..2-6 all time vs Navy
The Dana hate in this thread is weird to me. I don't know about you all, but 8-4, 7-5 with an exciting offense sounds like heaven to me these days.
that's stupid..the greatest coach in college basketball is John Wooden..he was about a laid back as it gets