Who will be our starting qb
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msdawg90 said:
was because of our WR's and their Chinese Fire Drill pass routes on pass plays longer than 10 yards.
Lee can get the ball there, but his WR's NEVER ONCE came down with them. It was unbelievable.
...CDM has reviewed films from last season. It doesn't take a genius to watch film and make assessments about a guy. Besides, he already has his playbook.Optimus Prime 4 said:
Right now, Lee has a stronger arm than Russell. He has excellent velocity on his throws. But, his height is a severe limitation for him, and prevents him from stepping up in the pocket and being able to see over everyone.
He might be fine in the spread w/ a package designed for a ton of rollouts and WR screens.
But Russell has excellent presence and calmness in the pocket, and to me, that's one of the most important traits a QB can have, and it's hard to teach.
He might be fine in the spread w/ a package designed for a ton of rollouts and WR screens.
But Russell has excellent presence and calmness in the pocket, and to me, that's one of the most important traits a QB can have, and it's hard to teach.
Lee is the best QB we've had at State in a long time?? What moldy crack are all of you smoking?? I can't believe the words I am reading. The guy needs a step ladder to see his receivers. Give me a damn break. Put Russell in and let's get busy living. The Croom era is over with. This idea that it takes two to three years to start winning is bull ****. The time to make changes is NOW. We can't afford to continue to build this foundation anymore. We are 8 years into this damn foundation. It's time to start puttin' this mofo together. I am sick of this losing mentality. Put some game winners in the game and win some damn games and stop over analyzing it. Of course Russell needs to F'ing play this year. Especially if he goes into practice and kicks Lee and Relf's *** and earns his spot as a starter. If we had the luxury of losing another two years then fine, but who the hell wants to lose for an entire decade?!? We had one little fluke season were Croom was given one more year to continue building his foundation in sinking sand and people want to still continue to sink down in the sand and put Lee in the starting position for a whole nother year?!?! Damn. Just sunnuva b!!!!!!!!!
I've got a sick feeling about our OL next year but hope Big Dan has a plan...quick passes, draws, traps etc.
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You can go on and on about Croom's continuous mistakes, who should have been playing when, and so forth. And yes, Lee getting experience last year was good for 2009.
But during that Louisiana Tech game, Croom made the huge coaching blunder putting Lee in in the first place. Carroll, not Lee, should have played that entire game.
Like I said, you can argue circumstances leading up to that all you want, and what was good for '09 and so forth. But that night in Ruston, Lee should not have played unless it would have been in a blowout role.
To tell you the truth, I'm not convinced that Carroll would not have fit in nicely in a Florida-type spread system. He was a pretty good runner and could throw when Croom didn't have him thinking too much.
But during that Louisiana Tech game, Croom made the huge coaching blunder putting Lee in in the first place. Carroll, not Lee, should have played that entire game.
Like I said, you can argue circumstances leading up to that all you want, and what was good for '09 and so forth. But that night in Ruston, Lee should not have played unless it would have been in a blowout role.
To tell you the truth, I'm not convinced that Carroll would not have fit in nicely in a Florida-type spread system. He was a pretty good runner and could throw when Croom didn't have him thinking too much.
...that a true freshman on campus for three weeks before the start of football season gives you a better chance to win than a senior QB who has been in the offseason training program and gone through spring practice already with the new coaches, then you are an idiot.
And yes, Lee is better than any QB that has played since Fant. He's not as good of an athlete as Conner was, but he's a better quarterback.
And yes, Lee is better than any QB that has played since Fant. He's not as good of an athlete as Conner was, but he's a better quarterback.
And we're talking about a program that has basically had a losing decade minus one fluke season. What this program needs is energetic change. Lee is a senior with experience in losing in a failed system with a coach who couldn't coach his way out of a paper sack. Everyone keeps saying that Lee is a great QB with a great arm, but his only set back is that he is too short. Do you think he is going to go through a growth spurt?? I'll take my chances with Russell being coached up by a National Championship winner who coached the Heisman Trophy winner for three years at QB. Lee's experience under Croom means nothing. SEC experience maybe, but Croom takes players and actually digresses them down to somewhere around Jr. High level. Croom put too much of his goobildy gook into that guys head. His brain is way too far gone with the Oktibbeha County Lake Beach Coast Offense to be productive in any other offense. Give me a break.
I firmly believe that Croom's coaching was detrimental to a lot of his players' game. If you don't think a coach can screw a player's game up then your and idiot as well. Croom's taint covers the football team. If we don't make some HUGE changes then it will continue to stink.
you can only airmail and shorthop so many receivers before you need to take a seat. I always suspected Carroll was the product of us asking him to just not screw it up his freshman year and that turned out to be true. When we turned to him to actually make some plays, the results were horrendous. Overthrows, underthrows, drive killing interceptions.
Lets over dramatize one player's problems (that would be Lee and his "goobildy gook brain" and compare the other player (Russell) to, potentially, the greatest college player ever.
Wow, i hear what you are saying and it hurts my head. I dont think many people are saying Lee is better than Russell or that Lee is a "great QB". The fact remains, Lee is serviceable and while Russell is the future, the last thing we need to do is throw him to the wolves and ruin him.
I will take my chances in that Lee and his decent ability can manage a game while letting Russell grow and develop.
Wow, i hear what you are saying and it hurts my head. I dont think many people are saying Lee is better than Russell or that Lee is a "great QB". The fact remains, Lee is serviceable and while Russell is the future, the last thing we need to do is throw him to the wolves and ruin him.
I will take my chances in that Lee and his decent ability can manage a game while letting Russell grow and develop.
It's gotta be Lee on Day 1 versus Jackson State. Many things could change from there since there are so many variables throughout a season.
One thing I haven't seen in these comments: Lee's improvement. You can't improve height, but I really think Lee will be a much improved quarterback next year after experiencing SEC ball for a season and going through Mullen's off-season system. Mullen's quarterback is his 3rd arm, so you know he will be living his system and plan everyday from now until Jackson State. Lee will be ready by August to run Dan's plan.
One thing I haven't seen in these comments: Lee's improvement. You can't improve height, but I really think Lee will be a much improved quarterback next year after experiencing SEC ball for a season and going through Mullen's off-season system. Mullen's quarterback is his 3rd arm, so you know he will be living his system and plan everyday from now until Jackson State. Lee will be ready by August to run Dan's plan.
Sutterkane woya said:
So, your argument against Lee is to compare him to Vince Young? If you say so.
Lee is most certainly the best quarterback we've had in a pretty damn long time at State. He may not be that tall, but I can assure you Mullen won't have him throwing from the pocket very often. The dude can run and he can freaking sling it pretty well too. And he will be a damn senior for pete's sake. You say you want to win now and then go on to say you'd rather start a true freshmen, when he could be red-shirted and then have 4 years to play, over a senior quarterback that's actually much better than any damn thing we've seen in quite a while. You completely contradict yourself there and come off looking like a complete dumbass.
as of now its a toss up. lee may have played last year but he has to learn a completely new system just like russell. i dont care what lee did in juco or russell did in high school. and for all of you thinking lee has an arm thats ridiculous, it looks so strong b/c carrols is so bad. lee is too small (its not like he's doug flutie). i believe it will come down to the spring game and russell will take the job.
you had a new (and much more talented) QB and the team wasn't totally inept even during the first part of the season. There was just some inconsistency to lead to you losing some games you probably should've won. Tyson Lee did a fairly decent job last year. He showed he's at least competent. With a more friendly offense and better coaching we wouldn't he be able to play? That's all I'm saying.