who'd be happy with a 2-2 start?
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I'd say that's probably a best case scenario because we aren't winning at LSU (at night) and we won't beat both Auburn & Georgia.
4-0 = Buying lottery tickets, heading to the casinos.
3-1 = Very happy and feeling great about the possibilities for the season.
2-2 = Content with the progress and feeling good about 6-6 with a shot at 7-5.
1-3 = Pissed
3-1 = Very happy and feeling great about the possibilities for the season.
2-2 = Content with the progress and feeling good about 6-6 with a shot at 7-5.
1-3 = Pissed
We started off 2-2 last year, no reason why we shouldn't be able to start of at least that well this year, even with a different schedule. If we start 1-3 then there's something really wrong...either Relf isn't working out, no RB has stepped up, Manny isn't looking as good as we thought, or we've had some major injuries.
I don't have a huge warm fuzzy feeling about LSU or Auburn but I just have a feeling about Georgia that we take it to them. I believe they're the team we've gone the longest time-wise without beating in the SEC. I think someone posted one time that we hadn't beaten them since the late 80s (although we don't play them much). I just feel like we're due against them.
I don't have a huge warm fuzzy feeling about LSU or Auburn but I just have a feeling about Georgia that we take it to them. I believe they're the team we've gone the longest time-wise without beating in the SEC. I think someone posted one time that we hadn't beaten them since the late 80s (although we don't play them much). I just feel like we're due against them.
0-4 = double bogey (time to pack it in)
1-3 = bogey (disappointing and will be very difficult to recover from)
2-2 = par (minimum needed to keep hope for a good season)
3-1 = birdie (above expectations and things are looking great)
4-0 = eagle (almost too good to be true and we are asking people to pinch us to make sure we aren't dreaming)
1-3 = bogey (disappointing and will be very difficult to recover from)
2-2 = par (minimum needed to keep hope for a good season)
3-1 = birdie (above expectations and things are looking great)
4-0 = eagle (almost too good to be true and we are asking people to pinch us to make sure we aren't dreaming)
you people are setting yourselves up.
If I phrased it this way, Would you be happy if we bean Auburn or LSU or Georgia?
All three of those teams have kicked our asses for the last decade and here we have a group saying, "ah **** man I'd be ight with it if we beat one of em but to be happy we have to beat 2 out of 3"
Anybody who says they won't be "happy" with 2-2 with the first 4 we have are either lying, on some sort of inhibitors, or doesn't know the definition of happy.
2-2 is happy
3-1 is freakin ecstatic
4-0 is going to church because the end is near
You all do realize we have freakin sucked for over a decade? Set your standards a little lower and be happy we just beat a team we probably haven't beat in 10 years.
If I phrased it this way, Would you be happy if we bean Auburn or LSU or Georgia?
All three of those teams have kicked our asses for the last decade and here we have a group saying, "ah **** man I'd be ight with it if we beat one of em but to be happy we have to beat 2 out of 3"
Anybody who says they won't be "happy" with 2-2 with the first 4 we have are either lying, on some sort of inhibitors, or doesn't know the definition of happy.
2-2 is happy
3-1 is freakin ecstatic
4-0 is going to church because the end is near
You all do realize we have freakin sucked for over a decade? Set your standards a little lower and be happy we just beat a team we probably haven't beat in 10 years.
0-4 - Did I miss the golf cart?
1-3 - We are MState after all
2-2 - "Dammitt, if only that ref had called ....".
3-1 - **** fire boys, weeee're back....
4-0 - Hide the womens and chil'en, sacrifice the cow...
My take is 2-2 which as Coach said doesn't make me happy just OK but wanting more.
1-3 - We are MState after all
2-2 - "Dammitt, if only that ref had called ....".
3-1 - **** fire boys, weeee're back....
4-0 - Hide the womens and chil'en, sacrifice the cow...
My take is 2-2 which as Coach said doesn't make me happy just OK but wanting more.
don't think we will then the season IS going to be a total disappointment and we'll be sitting home again during the holidays. Losing to Aub, LSU, GA, FL, AL and Ark would already have us with 6 losses and then even after that there is nothing, per what you read now, that says the OM, KY and Houston games would be anymore than a toss-up for us. So no, 2-2 is not really going to make me all that "happy".
You do realize that the failed social experiment and the last years of Jackie have no bearing on this year right? You do realize that we were 6 inches from beating LSU last year, right? That was in spite of the fact that we gifted them a pick 6, had an epic brain fart on punt coverage where we let a slow safety return a punt for a TD, had a midget with JV skills playing QB in a brand new offense, under a brand new coach who was having to essentially start from scratch in teaching fundamentals. You do realize that we were in the AU until the 4th quarter last year, right? You do realize that while UGA is always a good team, they are in a rebuilding mode and are breaking a new QB, right?
Everyone has said they would at least be content with 2-2. That doesn't mean they are on drugs. It means they feel we are making progress and are still on board with the team and coach.
Will you still be happy with 2-2 if AU & LSU gang rape us and we slip by UGA? I know I won't be. I would be content for the most part though knowing that we are still growing up in a new offense and our new head coach is still growing on the job.
"Set your standards a little lower and be happy we just beat a team we probably haven't beat in 10 years."
Auburn 2007- win
Auburn 2008- 3-2...anybody but Croom's as our coach, we win
Auburn 2009- Torbush devises worst defensive gameplan I've seen in awhile
Auburn had a losing season in 2008 and was very up and down last season. And we will be at home. We should have every chance to win this game
LSU- on the road and we never beat them...but should stay in the game by being physical...we need the defense to do something special to win it
Georgia?
They had a bad defense last year and lost half their starters...hiring a new DC doesn't solve all their problems...they have a QB that has yet to take a college snap- turnovers are going to happen when pressured...and we are at home
Auburn 2007- win
Auburn 2008- 3-2...anybody but Croom's as our coach, we win
Auburn 2009- Torbush devises worst defensive gameplan I've seen in awhile
Auburn had a losing season in 2008 and was very up and down last season. And we will be at home. We should have every chance to win this game
LSU- on the road and we never beat them...but should stay in the game by being physical...we need the defense to do something special to win it
Georgia?
They had a bad defense last year and lost half their starters...hiring a new DC doesn't solve all their problems...they have a QB that has yet to take a college snap- turnovers are going to happen when pressured...and we are at home
Going bowling obviously requires a minimum of 6-6 on the year. While it's progress, a 2-2 start means we have to go 4-4 down the stretch where 2 of those wins would be against UAB and Alcorn. We'd have to pull off 2 SEC wins or 1 SEC win and beat Houston. I think we can beat Kentucky, so we'd have to beat one of @Alabama, Arkansas, @Florida, @Ole Miss, or @Houston.
I think the better shots are against the three SEC teams at the beginning of the season. We should have a huge advantage on the Thursday night game against Auburn. Les Miles is bound to screw up, even though it is at Death Valley. Georgia will probably still be trying to figure out who its quarterback is. Going 2/3 here would bode well for the season.
I don't like the latter part of the season. Alabama and Florida are in another class in the league and a win here would be an upset of epic proportions. Mallet will heal by November and give us problems. Keenum will be good as always for Houston. And a rivalry game can never be reliably predicted. Even Kentucky may give us problems as who knows how good Joker Phillips will be.
I think the better shots are against the three SEC teams at the beginning of the season. We should have a huge advantage on the Thursday night game against Auburn. Les Miles is bound to screw up, even though it is at Death Valley. Georgia will probably still be trying to figure out who its quarterback is. Going 2/3 here would bode well for the season.
I don't like the latter part of the season. Alabama and Florida are in another class in the league and a win here would be an upset of epic proportions. Mallet will heal by November and give us problems. Keenum will be good as always for Houston. And a rivalry game can never be reliably predicted. Even Kentucky may give us problems as who knows how good Joker Phillips will be.
or you could look at it another way. be happy we are showing improvement. You don't have to be content, but to say you won't be happy that we pulled out an upset is ridiculous. I won't be happy the day we lose the other two but after the 4 games and we are 2-2 I will be happy.bulldogka said:
Before everyone's wool started growing so thick 1-3 was expected unless we pulled an upset and everyone would have been happy. Now that the wool is in full growth we won't be happy without pulling 2 upsets.
Just for the record, my season predictions are for an 8-4 season with wins over Auburn and Georgia but at the end of the day I will be happy at 2-2 and pissed at 1-3.
On paper, I think we are better than them, and with it being a home game, I think wemay be favored. Georgia gets South Carolina and Arky weeks 2 and 3, so they could be 1 and 2 going intoour game. Like Coach said, brand new QB, and a 3-4 defense that I think we can handle with Mullen's experience havinggameplanned against the best 3-4 defense in the nation a couple years ago against Alabama. These are the types of games we need to win to get to the next level. We have to start beating the middle of the pack teams more consistently, and Georgia I think is at best a middle of the pack SECteam this year. I could see Georgia having a losing record this year. Upsetting a Top 25 team every 2 years and hanging with some of the top teams in the nationdoesn't elevate you to a middle of the pack team, because that happens too frequently in the SEC. </p>
QB - I know you want to say State, but really it is a push at best.
RB - UGA
WR - UGA
OL - UGA
TE - Push
DL - State
LB - UGA
DB - State, barely.
ST - UGA
Overall depth: UGA
I am not saying the game isn't winnable, but we still aren't better than UGA talent-wise. Getting close if you are looking at only starters, but still not there.
Edited to add: If we win this game, like I said before, it will be because of winning the turnover battle and homefield advantage.
RB - UGA
WR - UGA
OL - UGA
TE - Push
DL - State
LB - UGA
DB - State, barely.
ST - UGA
Overall depth: UGA
I am not saying the game isn't winnable, but we still aren't better than UGA talent-wise. Getting close if you are looking at only starters, but still not there.
Edited to add: If we win this game, like I said before, it will be because of winning the turnover battle and homefield advantage.
So are you saying they have to exceed your expectations for you to be happy? Maybe that is where the disconnect is. I think everyone will be happy with 2-2, I just think some people don't know what happy is.Coach34 said:
But I think right now we are better at the QB position. Relf at least has had success in a few games. Granted it was mostly running the ball, but he's still been there and knows what its like to compete in an SEC game. Their QB's maybe be overall more talented than ours, butGeorgia has zero game experience at QB. Iagree at RB and WR, but I disagree on the OL.With us returning four starters on the OL, I think we at least push with them, and the same at LB. White and Wright are both very good, and will put up good numbers this year in a real defense.I don't think they have a clear advantage there, soI think we push on that. They may havemore4 and 5 starson the field, butit's all about how you perform in the system you are in. And this year, I think we willput up some good numbers with Mullen's offense and Manny's defense. It may not translate tomore wins dueto our schedule strength, but I think this will be a different team than we've seen in 10 years.
No, coach is saying we should be 2-2. That is what he expects as do I. If we go 2-2, then I will be content because we are meeting my expectation for the season to that point.
I transition to happy with the team at 3-1 because they are exceeding my expectation at that point. There is no disconnect. There is just a difference in being content with our record through 4 games and being happy with it.
I transition to happy with the team at 3-1 because they are exceeding my expectation at that point. There is no disconnect. There is just a difference in being content with our record through 4 games and being happy with it.
"So let me get this straight, if we start off 1-3 and end the season with 5 more wins over UAB, Alcorn, Kentucky, Houston, and OM and go to a bowl game then we are in the same place we were in the last 2 seasons? "
I don't think we finish 6-6 if we go 1-3 to start...we have a better chance of beating Auburn and Georgia than we do Mississippi in Oxford or maybe even Houston. Home games are huge- just look at how well we played Florida and Bama last year. Auburn and Georgia both have questions, and our stadium will be full and loud. We have talent on the field. We are coached well. Losing both of those games would be disappointing to me.
"So are you saying they have to exceed your expectations for you to be happy?"
Not at all. We have to meet my expectations for me to be happy. And my expectations are 6-6 in 2010 at a minimum. Starting 1-3, realistically, is going to almost eliminate that chance. Our program has been down, and even when down, we would start 1-3. We aren't down- we are vastly improved. And a vastly improved team wins one of those games.
I don't think we finish 6-6 if we go 1-3 to start...we have a better chance of beating Auburn and Georgia than we do Mississippi in Oxford or maybe even Houston. Home games are huge- just look at how well we played Florida and Bama last year. Auburn and Georgia both have questions, and our stadium will be full and loud. We have talent on the field. We are coached well. Losing both of those games would be disappointing to me.
"So are you saying they have to exceed your expectations for you to be happy?"
Not at all. We have to meet my expectations for me to be happy. And my expectations are 6-6 in 2010 at a minimum. Starting 1-3, realistically, is going to almost eliminate that chance. Our program has been down, and even when down, we would start 1-3. We aren't down- we are vastly improved. And a vastly improved team wins one of those games.
So you say my post is dumb because I think Miss State has a better chance of beating Houston in an away game than beating Auburn, a team that some have picked to win the West? I think you put too much faith in a home game. We played UF well last year because they really didnt have an offense and we lost 31-3 tp Bama. you call that playing them well? Auburn has questions just as well as every other school outside of bama in the SEC but I still like our chances against OM and Houston. I said from the beginning i think we will go 6-6 this year and one win would be over Georgia or OM. Where are your SEC predictions? Id love to see those. Sorry but Id be happy if we started 2-2 which means we would do 1 of 3 things: 1) Beat Cam Newton 2) Beat Georgia (which I dont think we've done in a minute) 3) Beat LSU @ Death Valley which I know we havent done in forever.Coach34 said:
We have a good line, but theirs is better. QB experience is important, but I am still taking a wait and see approach there. Justin Houston is probably better than Wright at OLB, and although I like White a lot too, they are better overall there.
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switch Tennessee and Kentucky though since Tenn lost 2 more starters on the DL the first week of practice
switch Tennessee and Kentucky though since Tenn lost 2 more starters on the DL the first week of practice
I was looking at the schedule earlier and a 4-2 start is a must if we're to go bowling. Our last 3 games will be very difficult wins so if we can start 4-2 UAB and UK will be ripe for bowl eligibility.
Is their OL better than our DL/LB?
Is our OL better than theirs?
Their QB vs Relf is OK to compare, but I'd rather see what people think about our O vs their D and vice versa. I think the part that can universally be agreed upon is they have a better P and PK than us.
Is our OL better than theirs?
Their QB vs Relf is OK to compare, but I'd rather see what people think about our O vs their D and vice versa. I think the part that can universally be agreed upon is they have a better P and PK than us.
I thinkyour predictions are very optimistic and a lot of that has to do with your undying faith in Relf. I dont have that same confidence in him as you do. I hope youre right but I cant see it. Again, im confused how you think its dumb that i think we will lose to the#2 team in the West but still beat the #6 team in the West regardless of home or away. </p>
