who's back on the Collins train?
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Me either. I was being a smartass because someone started a "off the Collins train last week when we pretty much shut Auburn down 3 qtrs and only gave up 21 to a good Oklahoma st offense. And if Autry stayed at home, we give up less than that to Okie St.
im still off. that said, collins did an outstanding job last night. i just think for our defense to take the next step, we need to be aggressive. only a fool would argue with the results from last night against a very good offense and collins shut them down all night. do i think we can do that against teams remaining on our schedule not named arky, uk, and bowling green? no....but i didnt expect us to shut down troy either.
lsu will tell us a good deal about where we stand. all that said, i respected troy as a team and this is collins first victory against a team that i respected offensively. good step forward, but i still think his defensive philosophy will end up hurting us, but as far as his performance last night, it was great and i have no reason to complain whatsoever.
lsu will tell us a good deal about where we stand. all that said, i respected troy as a team and this is collins first victory against a team that i respected offensively. good step forward, but i still think his defensive philosophy will end up hurting us, but as far as his performance last night, it was great and i have no reason to complain whatsoever.
"lsu will tell us a lot about where we stand". It seems that every team we play somebody posts that same statement but the name of the team changes. The only thing that it means to me is that we don't really have a defined identity. I think we're working toward one in a positive way.
well, if you want further clarification, what i meant by that is when we get into a position where we will more or less be pressed into bringing pressure, will we do it? i thought there were situations where our defense HAD to bring pressure vs auburn and osu and we didnt. if we do what we should and bring pressure but it gets nullified by blocking, i will consider that moving in the right direction as i will see it as us taking a few chances in order to create opportunities, regardless of outcome. i think we at least have to get out of zone to bring an extra man as the circumstance dictates. we were the beneficiaries on not ever having to be in that situation and it worked out beautifully vs troy. a tip of my cap to collins, but i remain skeptical with the zone-first scheme. the best thing that can happen to us is for me to be wrong, so i welcome that possibility.
We are now a top 20 scoring defense...
Against a traditional top 5 scoring offense, a traditional top 15 scoring offense, and one of the brightest offensive minds in football(who, by the way, matched his home production against us against LSU in Death Valley at night)...
I'm almost surprised Shamoan doesn't have another thread complaining about some
obscure stat of Collins' today...honestly...
Against a traditional top 5 scoring offense, a traditional top 15 scoring offense, and one of the brightest offensive minds in football(who, by the way, matched his home production against us against LSU in Death Valley at night)...
I'm almost surprised Shamoan doesn't have another thread complaining about some
obscure stat of Collins' today...honestly...
i have been quite complementary regarding the game. i am still concerned for reasons i have already expressed, but the d did outstanding vs troy and couldnt have looked much better. either way, fbs 3rd down conversion %, fbs total defense, and fbs scoring defense are hardly obscure statistics. so, there you go.....bait taken, congratulations.
Collins has to be aggressive? Are you blind or just ignorant? Or how many years have you watched football - excluding pee wee football? Do you expect him to send the house and leave our non-covering corners on an island every play?
Collins has to shut down a Top 10 team for you to shut your yapper? You respect that Troy has a good offense (who puts up 500+ yards a game and their QB completed 30 of 32 passes the week before) but you'll only respect Collins if he can stop an SEC offense? But It's still not good enough to hold Auburn to the 24 or so points that they had?
At one point toward the beginning of the 2nd Quarter, Troy had 140 something yards and line 10 first downs. They ended something around 180 yards and 11 first downs. That's domination.
look guy, collins was the one that billed himself as aggressive (for an entire offseason no less), not me, so if you have a problem with that term, take it up with the man. im just bringing up the fact that our defense isnt what most would call aggressive. playing zone the majority of the night is what got wilson fired. as far as your quip about my experience with football, like many of you, i have played highschool ball and that is where my talents maxed out. i was even fortunate enough to be on a team that won multiple state championships....again, like some of you. here is a hint, i was coached by a former msu position coach under jackie sherrill. am i some badass because of it? hell no, im just some random guy on the internet expressing my opinions. i have acknowledged the job collins has done vs troy and im sticking with an opinion at a time that is unpopular to do so, not because i want to be negative, but because it is a real concern. i AM still concerned, but am somewhat encouraged by the results. big 17 deal....why cant you leave it at that? im not gonna run over and start positing "look at me, im right" WHEN the worm turns....and at some point, the worm will turn....its the nature of playing in the sec west. so i dont see the point of you being a pretentious dick when i have already acknowledge the fact that i think collins did about as good of a job vs troy that anyone could possibly hope for.
what, because im in favor of a defense that was peddled by our new dc, i have no right to call ******** when that defense never materializes? collins talking about how he will install his defensive "mayhem":
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...e-defensive-coordinator-Collins-craves-mayhem
why is it wrong for me to question why the defense that geoff collins himself proclaimed was coming never in-fact made it to starkville? even with everything collins has done in his career, i still think he is doing a decent job, its just not how it was billed by everyone on staff. i have never called for him to be fired or anything assanine like that, so im not sure where everyone is getting all this hostility when i question the lack of aggression.
if you want a feel-good post from me, here are some stats:
total defense: T24th....310 ypg (4 games)
TFL:T41st.......6.8 tfl (4 games)
still doesnt change the fact that i am concerned by how we attack quality opponents.
what, because im in favor of a defense that was peddled by our new dc, i have no right to call ******** when that defense never materializes? collins talking about how he will install his defensive "mayhem":
http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...e-defensive-coordinator-Collins-craves-mayhem
why is it wrong for me to question why the defense that geoff collins himself proclaimed was coming never in-fact made it to starkville? even with everything collins has done in his career, i still think he is doing a decent job, its just not how it was billed by everyone on staff. i have never called for him to be fired or anything assanine like that, so im not sure where everyone is getting all this hostility when i question the lack of aggression.
if you want a feel-good post from me, here are some stats:
total defense: T24th....310 ypg (4 games)
TFL:T41st.......6.8 tfl (4 games)
still doesnt change the fact that i am concerned by how we attack quality opponents.
Because you see a "lack of aggression" that doesn't exist. That's the problem. You expected us to go "Joe Lee" Collins with the DB corps we've got(which is EXTREMELY beat up as it is) -- however ridiculous that was -- and you've been disappointed because you didn't get it. And that BLINDS you to the fact that we've been a very good, well-rounded, and aggressive defense. Where did Collins promise to bring 7 every play with the corners and safeties on an island? Because I missed that memo. The fact that you apparently don't believe aggression to be possible out of a zone says alot in-and-of itself.
Tell me where "lack of aggression" can be shown in these numbers.
AND the one you have completely lost your mind and written countless diatribes about. Against coaches that finished #12, #20, and #26 in 3rd down conversion percentage LAST YEAR, no less.
Here's another one that I'm guessing is on your hit list. How can we be aggressive if we're not getting sacks? Nevermind that those same coaches were #13, #18, and #18 last year in sacks allowed. In 38 combined games, they gave up 42 TOTAL sacks last year.
All this to say -- we're sitting pretty damn good on defense right now. And we've done it against 3 potent SPREAD offenses. Collins preached mayhem -- and we're 2nd in the conference in turnover margin, 3rd in TFL, and 8th in sacks(against teams that -- as I've shown -- are a big gamble to evven attempt to sack).
I'd say Collins is giving us EXACTLY what he promised thusfar. AND this is just the beginning.
Tell me where "lack of aggression" can be shown in these numbers.
AND the one you have completely lost your mind and written countless diatribes about. Against coaches that finished #12, #20, and #26 in 3rd down conversion percentage LAST YEAR, no less.
Here's another one that I'm guessing is on your hit list. How can we be aggressive if we're not getting sacks? Nevermind that those same coaches were #13, #18, and #18 last year in sacks allowed. In 38 combined games, they gave up 42 TOTAL sacks last year.
All this to say -- we're sitting pretty damn good on defense right now. And we've done it against 3 potent SPREAD offenses. Collins preached mayhem -- and we're 2nd in the conference in turnover margin, 3rd in TFL, and 8th in sacks(against teams that -- as I've shown -- are a big gamble to evven attempt to sack).
I'd say Collins is giving us EXACTLY what he promised thusfar. AND this is just the beginning.
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I see what you're saying man, but I think you're missing the point.
you're right, we didn't see a lot of your version of "mayhem" against Troy. But you have to realize that "mayhem" can mean different things with different opponents. In other words, we will likely blitz a lot more and cause a lot more visible mayhem against LSU because they don't run as much quick hitter pass plays as Troy, and tend to do more of a traditional drop back or pound it out ground game that you can't get burnt on as easily when you bring extra guys. The mayhem we brought against Troy was more of a "multiple looks" and "confusion" mayhem...meaning we had to cause them problems scheme wise because bringing extra guys gets you killed against a team that throws a lot of 1 to 2 step drops and is almost impossible to sack the QB. Especially with young, inexperienced corners.
So again, I see completely where you're coming from, but think about mayhem in terms more than just bringing a huge blitz Joe Lee Dunn style, and I think you will see that we caused a lot of "mayhem" Saturday night.
Just my opinion.
ok, ive officially heard it all now. 3rd and long and rushing 3 or 4 while dropping into zone is "aggressive". yeah.....ok....lol... also, i hate to point out the fact that in a bowl game which constitutes a sizable percentage of statistics i keep quoting, we had, for a while anyway, 2 db's on that gator bowl defense that are now starting for the lions and bucs. its not like collins has never had two 2nd round picks under his direction, because he did, and unfortunately, in that game, we gave up over 50%....blah blah blah same **** yall have heard a thousand times already, so ill spare you the details.
engie, your being presumptuous. dont go assuming any statistical black-eye is a future target, because its not. if yall dont want to have a legitimate discussion about it, fine, but i honestly believe that its too early one way or another to say he is bad or to say he is good against quality competition. i have a red flag, but apparently most of you do not. yet, here are two posters trying to push me into some lunatic fringe status by trying to pass of the idea that i think we should blitz every down, when in fact, i have said nothing of the sort. im only going off of patterns i have seen and the truth of the matter, we wont know what we have until things pan out more and we get a broad view of the situation. i will freely admit that 4 games is far too short of a time span to damn him or proclaim him as our defensive savior, but its still not something to ignore along with the quality of opponent we play with each corresponding point differential.
remember when we had wilson and some (not all but some) thought he was the answer? direct from his msu coaches profile page:
"It hasn’t taken long for Chris Wilson to impose his style onto the Mississippi State front seven. This past season, Wilson took over as the defensive coordinator for a Bulldog squad looking to build upon the great successes of 2010. Wilson did just that, improving the MSU defense in seven major statistical categories, while ranking 16th nationally in scoring defense (19.7 points per game) inside one of the toughest conferences in the country. With that scoring defense, the Bulldog defense placed 17th in the country in red-zone scoring (73.91 percent) as well as eighth in the FBS in big plays allowed (37 of 20-plus yards). Wilson helped lower the points-per-game output and lessened the passing yards per game by more than 500 yards from 2010. "
in closing, collins (schematically) is far closer to chris wilson that many of you want to admit. some of yall have such a short memory. are the circumstances different? absolutely, but with inexperience in our secondary and one that has had issues with keeping the ball in front of them, sometimes you have to take some chances when the situation presents itself. im a rational person, im not calling for collins to be dismissed, merely pointing out my perceived shortcomings and more importantly, areas we could improve upon to make the team better. again, this has nothing to do with troy, i could not be more satisfied with the outcome. collins did a great job. case closed, but we have bigger fish to fry and we have yet to get into the meat of the season and we are 2-2 with lsu looming on the horizon. lsu is a good enough team where they will pick apart what we did vs troy or anybody else this season. thats the simple truth.
engie, your being presumptuous. dont go assuming any statistical black-eye is a future target, because its not. if yall dont want to have a legitimate discussion about it, fine, but i honestly believe that its too early one way or another to say he is bad or to say he is good against quality competition. i have a red flag, but apparently most of you do not. yet, here are two posters trying to push me into some lunatic fringe status by trying to pass of the idea that i think we should blitz every down, when in fact, i have said nothing of the sort. im only going off of patterns i have seen and the truth of the matter, we wont know what we have until things pan out more and we get a broad view of the situation. i will freely admit that 4 games is far too short of a time span to damn him or proclaim him as our defensive savior, but its still not something to ignore along with the quality of opponent we play with each corresponding point differential.
remember when we had wilson and some (not all but some) thought he was the answer? direct from his msu coaches profile page:
"It hasn’t taken long for Chris Wilson to impose his style onto the Mississippi State front seven. This past season, Wilson took over as the defensive coordinator for a Bulldog squad looking to build upon the great successes of 2010. Wilson did just that, improving the MSU defense in seven major statistical categories, while ranking 16th nationally in scoring defense (19.7 points per game) inside one of the toughest conferences in the country. With that scoring defense, the Bulldog defense placed 17th in the country in red-zone scoring (73.91 percent) as well as eighth in the FBS in big plays allowed (37 of 20-plus yards). Wilson helped lower the points-per-game output and lessened the passing yards per game by more than 500 yards from 2010. "
in closing, collins (schematically) is far closer to chris wilson that many of you want to admit. some of yall have such a short memory. are the circumstances different? absolutely, but with inexperience in our secondary and one that has had issues with keeping the ball in front of them, sometimes you have to take some chances when the situation presents itself. im a rational person, im not calling for collins to be dismissed, merely pointing out my perceived shortcomings and more importantly, areas we could improve upon to make the team better. again, this has nothing to do with troy, i could not be more satisfied with the outcome. collins did a great job. case closed, but we have bigger fish to fry and we have yet to get into the meat of the season and we are 2-2 with lsu looming on the horizon. lsu is a good enough team where they will pick apart what we did vs troy or anybody else this season. thats the simple truth.
He's just very ignorant. If something works on PlayStation it should work in real life too, apparently.
So, you are "blaming" his playcalling in Wilson's scheme. In a game which the offense KILLED him with turnovers? You obviously also forgot that Banks went down at the VERY beginning of the Gator Bowl and never played again -- after everyone with eyes could tell he hadn't been the same since the MTSU game?
You MADE your assumption on week 1 -- and you've started threads weekly with it ever since. Now, you want to "wait and see" -- when you judged him after week one basically ignoring the opponent?
Surely you see how inconsistent this "red flag" has been. It started primarily about rushing yardage to Ok State(ignoring the point total we held them to). After Auburn, the argument fully evolved into 3rd down conversion percentage after we shut down the run against them(better than LSU did in the rain, at night, in Death Valley). NOW, it's become about a "lack of mayhem" -- and the fact that Collins is preferring a zone down 2 opening day starters at DB -- with a third playing on a partially torn MCL.
Ultimately, it seems like you have an axe to grind no matter what happens. The defense has been great 4 times -- minus one drive and one adjustment that didn't get made against OK State(but has been made in the time since) -- against at least 2 offenses that will finish in the top 25 most likely -- and an offensive mind that ALWAYS torches us.
Thanks Fletcher Cox. You disguised everything for two years in two VERY different ways(both 2010 and 2011). I look forward to Chris Jones NOW doing the EXACT same thing for 3 years -- if, in fact, there are actual problems.
Wilson SHOULD have had Banks and Slay on islands last year. The fact that he didn't was a fire-able offense. But I DAMN SURE don't want these young corners on islands just yet -- especially not when they are injured.
So, you call them "much the same" based on the scheme -- I call them MUCH different based on adequately assessing needs, strengths, and weaknesses -- and making adjustments to disguise the weaknesses as best we can.
In all this supposed lack of aggression -- we are 3rd in conference in TFL. We've got 27 through four games. Wilson had 64 through thirteen last year.
Agreed with all this. Moving on....
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You are arguing only on perception. Please watch the replays of the games. Count the number of times that more than 4 people rush. You would be surprised.
Case in point the fumble in the first qtr. on 3rd n long on Sat was caused by Wells and recovered by McKinney. That is not setting in a zone.
Mayhem as Collins defines it is swarming to the ball. Mayhem means creating turnovers. It does NOT mean playing man coverage or blitzing on every play. Watch #24 D Evans. The kid is a ball hawk. The kid has a future.
The pass happy offenses that have caused us trouble the past two years has been managed beautifully. Collins forced OSU into a one dimensional run team. They had to throw a new wrinkle at us to get ahead. State went on the road and held AU under 400 yards until we went prevent. State held the third best QB they'll see to 200 yards. LSU plays State's kind of offense. Even a Wilson defense held LSU to 6 pts through 3 qtrs in 2011.
Wilson ran a bland Cover 3. Collins D looks nothing like Wilsons D.
State asked Collins to fix the problems against the spread. He has by and large done that. I expect him to put the other pieces together as they get into conference play with teams that are closer to their philosophy.
who do you think you are? Like you personally "respecting" an offense means anything to anyone. You've proven in less than 487 posts that you don't have a clue. what's the sayng about it's better to remain quiet and have people think you're a fool....how's that end?
im cool with what happened vs troy. they could do nothing with what we initially brought, so only a fool would change. we dont need to blitz a team that cant get a first down. what i am saying is with regard to prior games. again, 100% complementary of our/collins performance vs troy.
i also appreciate your take on "mayhem" as it is the first constructive point brought up, but in the video i linked, collins, when asked about mayhem was referring to blitzing. thats a valid point on mayhem, but it doesnt really coincide with the tradition view of defensive aggression, which collins also talks about.
in summary, i just dont see us blitzing very much in the future regardless of personnel. if you dont blitz when your closest db is 15 yards away from a streaking wr, you will rarely blitz. is it too much to ask for a corner or lb blitz every now and then on 3rd and long in a game where its proven the zone, read and react isnt working which is also linked to corner inexperience? essentially, i argue that our corners have been getting exposed no matter what we do with them in man vs zone....why not speed up the qb's clock and get aggressive?
i also appreciate your take on "mayhem" as it is the first constructive point brought up, but in the video i linked, collins, when asked about mayhem was referring to blitzing. thats a valid point on mayhem, but it doesnt really coincide with the tradition view of defensive aggression, which collins also talks about.
in summary, i just dont see us blitzing very much in the future regardless of personnel. if you dont blitz when your closest db is 15 yards away from a streaking wr, you will rarely blitz. is it too much to ask for a corner or lb blitz every now and then on 3rd and long in a game where its proven the zone, read and react isnt working which is also linked to corner inexperience? essentially, i argue that our corners have been getting exposed no matter what we do with them in man vs zone....why not speed up the qb's clock and get aggressive?
Bingo. Good defenses don't blitz nonstop, good defenses get to the ball (causing pressure) and disguise coverages and being unpredictable (causing confusion). Pressure + confusion = offensive mistakes. As a matter of fact, really good defenses can accomplish that even without blitzing. Imagine how much it would suck if you had to deal with 4 guys that can get in your face every down, get off blocks and stuff running lanes, AND have the luxury of having 7 guys downfield causing all kinds of confusion. A defensive coordinators dream.
I never got off the Collins train. He's done a great job thus far and has the best unit on the field every week so far.
I never got off the Collins train. He's done a great job thus far and has the best unit on the field every week so far.
ok, if you say so. oddly, its gone from "we should rarely, if ever, blitz because it will expose the inexperienced secondary" to "we do blitz more than enough and its worked out well for us as evidence by play x". whatever reality is most convenient for the argument at hand. either collins will work out or he wont. i hope he does but i am, as i have stated, encouraged by his last game. bottom line, i think we need to be more aggressive vs top teams, specifically lsu and if any of yall can get over your blind hatred for what you apparently think i am saying, i would venture to suppose some of you would at least agree with that sentiment. if we do to lsu what we did vs auburn, they are gonna beat the brakes off us....which might very well happen no matter what we do.
again, nobody is calling for defenses to blitz nonstop or even be blitz heavy. there is a happy medium somewhere between hardly ever blitzing and blitzing all the time. this board really has a hard time grasping concepts that fall in the middle ground, and im not taking a shot at you drt, you arent the first to assume that is what i want. blitzing every down is asinine. never blitzing is asinine when you dont have the personnel to get pressure independent of the blitz. i simply wish we would bump out farther from the never blitzing extreme and find a balance somewhere between the two, particularly when the situation dictates when we do so. i feel as though that should go without saying on a message board that is full of a bunch of armchair quarterbacks (myself included), but apparently not. i agree that ideally, we wouldnt have to blitz, but we cant seem to get any pressure (im not talking just sacks, but hurries, and knock downs and in general making the qb's life miserable), but when you have a qb that is set-up shop in the pocket tyler russell style, its a disaster waiting to happen particularly with our inexperienced secondary.
like i give a **** what anyone thinks. i respect the troy offense, the coaches would have said the exact same. im not pretending to be some litmus test for program quality, i merely prefaced my opinion with what i though about the quality of competition. said another way, i dont think this is some throwaway victory where we couldnt get anything out of it, a la alcorn state, rather the quality of team coupled with the margin of victory actually means something.
Sigh. Your failure to understand the redundance of your opinion on this is what drives me the most insane, I think.
Shamoan - "I just want a good mix".
engie - "We have had a good mix. Here are stats showing us to be above average in every defensive category."
Shamoan - "We've been very Chris Wilson-like"
engie - "We've basically shutdown offenses and coaches that torched us last year and torched EVERYONE throughout their careers"
Shamoan - "But we're still running zone."
engie - "So, you want to go Joe Lee on their asses with our corner/safety situation?"
Shamoan - "No, I just want a good mix. I'm not sold on Collins. He has to prove it against an elite team first.
engie - "But, we've already done it against 3 of the best offensive minds in the country -- 2 offenses likely to finish in the top 25"
Shamoan - "I don't care. It's not LSU."
I think that about sums it up.
Shamoan - "I just want a good mix".
engie - "We have had a good mix. Here are stats showing us to be above average in every defensive category."
Shamoan - "We've been very Chris Wilson-like"
engie - "We've basically shutdown offenses and coaches that torched us last year and torched EVERYONE throughout their careers"
Shamoan - "But we're still running zone."
engie - "So, you want to go Joe Lee on their asses with our corner/safety situation?"
Shamoan - "No, I just want a good mix. I'm not sold on Collins. He has to prove it against an elite team first.
engie - "But, we've already done it against 3 of the best offensive minds in the country -- 2 offenses likely to finish in the top 25"
Shamoan - "I don't care. It's not LSU."
I think that about sums it up.
just because we are above average statistically doesnt mean anything in regard to our defensive scheme...lest you forget that wilson had some elite numbers his first year, but we all know how that turned out. those stats just mean we thumped alcorn and troy. also, wilson, as i have already explained, is statistically better (particularly in year one) than collins, but according to you fletcher cox is the sole reason for that. collins doesnt have to prove anything to me, but as a fan, i can express what i think about his scheme and i could care less if you respect my opinion or not. 3 of the best offensive minds in the country? surely you cannot be serious. i think there is a major disconnect if you think think we have been shutting down offenses with the zone....over 400 yards vs nwrn, osu, and aub is a small sample size....in all almost 1250 yards of total offense, but what happened in those games will be indicative of what our struggles will be particularly in conference play. but that was all vs good coaches and top 25 offenses, good thing we dont see those week-in week-out in the sec. if that were the case, we would be in some serious trouble. **
We're borderline ELITE statistically right now. Get it right. We've seen 3 of the 5 best offenses(and worst matchups for us) that we will see all year. ALREADY.
Do you have a point? Like I already said. Thanks Fletcher.
What does any stats mean? Ever? Nothing when you ignore them and cherrypick them -- as you continue to do.
Go ahead and explain those numbers again -- because you will find that those SAME numbers NOW say you were foolish when you tried to make the point. But I told you that was coming in week 1 and week 3.
How else do you explain the change from 2011 to 2012? Take your time and give us as many details as possible. This is just another reason that you are setting yourself up to look foolish. Because EVEN IF "you are right" about Collins -- His Fletcher Cox is wrecking shop as a true freshman right now. You are, at MINIMUM, 3 years away from vindication on this.
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Not serious? I'll show you how serious I am. I'll happily await while you show me 10 better resumes than ANY of the 3...
Malzahn(6 yrs as OC/HC) - #1 total offense IN THE COUNTRY TWICE. 3 times in the top 10.
5 times top 25 total offense at 3 different schools in 3 different conferences.
Average yardage/game over career: 474.88.
Edenfield(5 yrs as OC) - #3 total offense in the country once. Twice in the top 11. 4 times in the top 27.
Average yardage/game over career: 446.44
Gundy(the last 6 full seasons--as far back as my stats database goes) -
FIVE total offenses inside the TOP 7.
Average yardage/game over that time: 493.03
I'll await all of your "better" offensive minds list...since these 3 are obviously average in Shamoan's book. I'm sure your list will be EXTENSIVE**
400 yards is NOTHING in today's college football. I've already shown that. SIXTY TWO teams are averaging more than that right now in college football. Nevermind that Auburn was a 200 yard performance that was aided by two busted plays and one stupid drive at the end
NEVERMIND how we held those coaches below their CAREER averages for yards in all those games. And I won't even get into the extent that we held them below their career averages in points...NEVERMIND that our offense let us down in both games.
How so?
It's never a good idea to talk crap about something when you haven't even looked at any numbers.
Yeah -- we see them week in and week out in the SEC -- considering the ONLY one we'll actually have remaining is aTm with an outside chance with Ole Miss.
- The SEC had TWO top 25 offenses last year -- aTm and Tennessee. Oh -- and we played Troy as well -- who finished at #11 and gashed us to the tune of nearly 600 yards. But Collins is still VERY similar to Wilson!1!1!
- The SEC had ZERO top 25 offenses in 2011. 3 in 2010. 3 in 2009. 2 in 2008. 3 in 2007.
But yeah, we play them every week in the SEC!!1!11
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huh?
Please tell me people were not already off the Collins train. Dude is a stud. I hate our fanbase half the time.
Dammit why is no one listening!1!1 We are 45th in opponent's 3rd down conversion percentage!!1! Wilson was better when at this when he was ranked 82nd!!1!1 Shamoan proved this to us two weeks ago!!1!1
yeah, ok, you do that. i dont want to tarnish my sterling internet reputation. you will have taken the thing that i cherish most and i will be a broken internet persona for the rest of my years....wandering from server to server, never finding my true home, all because i think our defense needs to improve. heaven forbid me trying to discuss ways to improve the team in a public forum. maybe what this board needs is a few more independent thinkers and a few less ministers of propaganda. if i am wrong, ill see it as a good thing because it means we are improving in areas that desperately need improvement. either way, it was never about being right, it was about discussing a concern i had about the team and a few went ballistic over the opinion of some random guy on the internet.
that means nothing other than the opponent goes 3 and out half the time. the other half, they have long, sustained drives where they rack up yards and 3rd downs. even with the troy game, we are in the bottom half of FBS in numbers of 3rd downs per game surrendered. yayyyy half the time, the other team goes 3 and out!!!...but dont ask us about the other half...we dont like to talk about it.
Ex:
possession 1: punt (8 yards)
possession 2: 12 play 78 yard td with 3 3rd downs converted
possession 3: punt (7 yards)
possession 4: 11 plays 68 yard td with 3 3rd downs converted
etc, etc....talk about meaningless statistics.
you know what...you guys have convinced me. im back on the collins train BABY!!!!
que "in the air tonight" as i play the air drums...
ive got nothing else to discuss, just sit back and soak up the awesomeness of our defense.
Ex:
possession 1: punt (8 yards)
possession 2: 12 play 78 yard td with 3 3rd downs converted
possession 3: punt (7 yards)
possession 4: 11 plays 68 yard td with 3 3rd downs converted
etc, etc....talk about meaningless statistics.
you know what...you guys have convinced me. im back on the collins train BABY!!!!
que "in the air tonight" as i play the air drums...
ive got nothing else to discuss, just sit back and soak up the awesomeness of our defense.
Right. Those stats mean nothing. Yours mean much more.
Has nothing, at all, to do with playing teams that get in an incredible # of overall plays in hurry up offenses, I'm sure. Since, you know, we've played coaches that had the 10th, 18th, and 35th most plays/game last year.
The fact that you are abandoning 3rd down conversion PERCENTAGE for # of 3rd downs surrendered tells the extent that you are willing to try to skew this...
Good luck.
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