Who's the most over-achieving State football player of your lifetime?
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I have two:
(1) Donald Lee. Was like a 2-star fromEupora Maben (thanks, VillageDawg) that went on to play in the NFL. Due was a monster.
(2) Titus Brown. How that guy escaped the black-hole pull from Tuscaloosa is amazing. Wish he could have played on better teams. Also went on to the NFL. We beat out the mighty Alabama A&M for his services.
(1) Donald Lee. Was like a 2-star from
(2) Titus Brown. How that guy escaped the black-hole pull from Tuscaloosa is amazing. Wish he could have played on better teams. Also went on to the NFL. We beat out the mighty Alabama A&M for his services.
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Still like that Relf Coast Offense.
Relf is a good example - but Nicky Fitz is the one that came to mind for me. Between us and UT-Chattanooga (cigar photo not included). Never figured out how to throw mid-to-deep downfield consistently.
SEC all time QB rushing yards leader. aTm's daddy.
Gotta be Fitz.
No other P5 offers, rated an 81 on 247. No one expected him to be a multi-year SEC starting QB with the production he had
No other P5 offers, rated an 81 on 247. No one expected him to be a multi-year SEC starting QB with the production he had
Richie Brown is the first name that popped into my mind...
And target of the most deliberate leg injury since Tonya Harding.
Relf and Fitz. Proves that at the time, that offense was a little niche and less common. This is what we need here to have a chance. Not to mention, in today’s world of NIL and transfer portal, these two would cost us less money and they would be way less likely to be lured and stolen by a bigger program, due to specific skill set not complementing other offenses.
Good ones all. But Relf being able to step in and be so damned amazing in the Egg Bowl and other bowls against teams like Michigan stands out for me. I can't tell you how many times I've watched this video. Cheers me up every time.
I miss Mullen and this offense so much
Elgton Jenkins out of Clarksdale, MS. Recruited as an unknown 2-Star offensive lineman. Made it to the NFL and is a 2 Time Pro Bowler. Most of us at that time just thought he was just a warm body for our practice squad.
Coach at Hernando around that time said the only reason State signed him was to help get Deljuan. Dockery played in the nfl.
Pernell McPhee
He played one year of high school football, was I believe a 2 star recruit, signed with USM before going to Itawamba CC (where he was inducted in their Hall of Fame), then joined MSU. Had an 11 year NFL career and won a Super Bowl. That's not too bad for a 2 star.
He played one year of high school football, was I believe a 2 star recruit, signed with USM before going to Itawamba CC (where he was inducted in their Hall of Fame), then joined MSU. Had an 11 year NFL career and won a Super Bowl. That's not too bad for a 2 star.
It’s Relf and Fitz for me. Anyone who saw Relf play under Croom and could say he would lead us to 3 straight bowls and Egg Bowls, was smoking crack.
Mullen's offense was definitely more 'niche' than people realize. I think he got away from that at Florida and it's one reason why it got away from him there.
Wasn’t Benardrick McKinney a 2 star? He was really good for us. Loved watching him stopping the run.
It wasn't Mullen's offense, it was Urbsn Meyer's offense, and it worked fine at Florida the first time around. Mullen was really able to open up his playbook with the talent he had at UF, and his first three seasons there were great.
Mullen was done in by lack of recruiting, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
Im going with Dak as the over achiever. He's the highest paid player in the NFL, which is still hard to believe.
Wasn't he the one who played QB in high school too? Which is crazy.
I watched Bernardrick play for, I think, Tunica @ Lewisburg as a QB. He wasn't too bad and threw a frozen rope TD pass in the corner of the EZ. He played DE and LB on defense for them. I think he listed at about 6'4"/200 lbs then. Never thought he'd be a dominating LB in college.
Bear Wilson (RIP). Only played 1 year of high school varsity football and then led us in receiving TD's Dak's junior and senior years. Slowest 40 yard dash time for a wide receiver in NFL combine history
This is a good one. He and Deion Calhoun were both late adds and "insiders" were saying we wanted both early but didn't publicize it because we thought if other schools got a look at them they'd try to poach both of them. Thought that was a load of ******** at the time, and still not sure it wasn't, but doesn't look as crazy now. I assume they were both more like Taveze Calhoun, who if I remember correctly received the last scholarship in his class and wouldn't have gotten one had we not missed on some others but then turned into a borderline NFL quality player.
Agreed, Relf was Ole Miss kryptonite, and his performance in the Gator Bowl against Michigan was amazing to witness. He was tossing the ball like he was in Spurrier's Fun & Gun offense.
A little different speed, literally: Dicenzo Miller. I think he had one of the slowest 40 times for a RB in the combine in history. Even against college defenses, he didn't look fast. He just had great vision and was hard to bring down and managed two 1,000+ yard seasons.
Another one that is bound to get some very reasonable and not emotionally unhinged discussion that I am shocked has not come up yet:
Will Rogers
Will Rogers
Meh, Urban had a concept, but Mullen was calling the plays. Florida offense went downhill in 2009 and 2010 after Urban left. Mullen was forced to develop it even more at MSU, and ultimately looked like a fish out of water when he had a passing QB. Similar to if Leach ever had a running QB.
All coaches are ultimately done in by a lack of recruiting.
that's what I was thinking. Came a long way to be an NFL QB.
Kent Hull would be a good one. Relatively unknown player out of Greenwood HS
-4 year letterman at MSU
-3 year starter for Trumps New Jersey Generals and blocker for Hershel Walker who broke single season rushing record one of those years.
-All USFL Player
-He was a first year starter immediately at Buffalo for rookie QB Jim Kelly and rookie coach Marv Levy
-2x 1st team NFL All Pro
-2x 2nd team NFL All Pro
-3x Pro Bowler
-Started in 4 consecutive Super Bowls
-MSU Hall of Fame
-MS Sports Hall of Fame
-MSU Ring of Honor Member
-Kent Hull Trophy named in Honor of Him for the Most Valuable OL in MS each year
QB Jim Kelly: "I know one thing, I'm in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because of #67 Kent Hull
-4 year letterman at MSU
-3 year starter for Trumps New Jersey Generals and blocker for Hershel Walker who broke single season rushing record one of those years.
-All USFL Player
-He was a first year starter immediately at Buffalo for rookie QB Jim Kelly and rookie coach Marv Levy
-2x 1st team NFL All Pro
-2x 2nd team NFL All Pro
-3x Pro Bowler
-Started in 4 consecutive Super Bowls
-MSU Hall of Fame
-MS Sports Hall of Fame
-MSU Ring of Honor Member
-Kent Hull Trophy named in Honor of Him for the Most Valuable OL in MS each year
QB Jim Kelly: "I know one thing, I'm in the Pro Football Hall of Fame because of #67 Kent Hull
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Dak is probably going to pass Aikman and Romo this year in completions and yardage and as we all know Aikman is a HoF'er. All Dak has to do is stay healthy and he's in the Cowboy's record books because he averages 3500 passing yards in seasons where he plays at least 15 games. Considering the dearth of MSU talent in the pro's behind center both past and present I have to give it to Dak. The other names listed here were great but Dak meant more to his team than any of them in my opinion.
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This was who I was going to nominate. For all the same reasons.
Dicenzo was kind of like Walter Payton. He wasn't that fast until you put a football in his hands and people were trying to tackle him.
I think Hull probably belongs on this list just because of his size, but hard to say who overachieved from that era because people just didn't pay attention to recruiting the same way. There are probably a good number of players from that era that seemed to be unknowns that if recruiting had had the same focus as now, probably would have been nationally known prospects.
Was going to say kevin. He was an add on to Deljuan. Coach Jenkins told Coach Sherrill he could play and was tough as nails.