So far, I haven't seen much to support this wooly take on our team. I keep reading about our "4 future NBA players" and how we have so much talent that "even Stansbury can't mess it up". I've seen 25 win predictions on here along with the sentiment that any less is a terrible coaching job. Why? I understand that some of it is just posturing on here and people setting themselves up so they can be "right" no matter what the outcome, but there are others buying in as well. Again, why? I think we will be a good team, but how good is a huge question. So far I've seen espn rank us as the 62nd best team, the sec rank us as 5th in the conference, CBS projects us as a 10 seed, no mention at all from lunardi, and CBS says we only have 2 of the best 100 players (the highest at 63 and they other is close to 100). How does that equate to 4 NBA players and a deep tournament run? Just seems like our expectations dont mesh with the "experts". Oh yeah, and Vegas only has us 16 points better than the powerhouse that is Eastern Kentucky.
Why all the sweet 16 or bust talk?
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So far, I haven't seen much to support this wooly take on our team. I keep reading about our "4 future NBA players" and how we have so much talent that "even Stansbury can't mess it up". I've seen 25 win predictions on here along with the sentiment that any less is a terrible coaching job. Why? I understand that some of it is just posturing on here and people setting themselves up so they can be "right" no matter what the outcome, but there are others buying in as well. Again, why? I think we will be a good team, but how good is a huge question. So far I've seen espn rank us as the 62nd best team, the sec rank us as 5th in the conference, CBS projects us as a 10 seed, no mention at all from lunardi, and CBS says we only have 2 of the best 100 players (the highest at 63 and they other is close to 100). How does that equate to 4 NBA players and a deep tournament run? Just seems like our expectations dont mesh with the "experts". Oh yeah, and Vegas only has us 16 points better than the powerhouse that is Eastern Kentucky.
Tough OOC schedule along with an improved SEC will be tough. Any type of elite season we may have falls on Sidney. I think most folks are tired of the all the BS in the program lately, and some, like me, are ready to see the embarrassment, er, investment, in Renardo Sidney actually pay off. Because so far he's performed about like the recent stock market.
So they can point to a lack of coaching should we fall short of the sweet 16.
That way they can say "This team had final 4 talent, we should have at least made the sweet 16."
That way they can say "This team had final 4 talent, we should have at least made the sweet 16."
But there are plenty who seem to think we are an NCAA lock when the rest of the sports world apparently views us as very mediocre.
Things I know to be true:<div>tenureplan said:
</div><div>1. We have 4 players that are projected as draft picks- we have never had that before.</div><div>2. If The Recruiter misses the NCAA Tourney- he will be terminated</div><div>3. If The Recruiter makes the NCAA Tourney- he will retain employment</div><div>
</div><div>Now then, from these facts, we can deduce:</div><div>
</div><div>1. This is one of the most talented teams Miss State has ever had</div><div>2. Any overhyping of expectations to promote a coaching firing is futile- the expectations for our coach have already been set by the AD</div><div>
</div><div>Now then, to answer a few other of the things mentioned:</div><div>
</div><div>1. 5th in the SEC? The other four projected ahead of us are ranked this preseason- and just because someone is rated ahead in preseason- doesnt mean they will finish there</div><div>2. Most of the "rest of the world" has us projected as an NCAA Tourney team</div><div>3. Renardo Sidney averaged 16 and 7 last season- one of the top seasons for a Center in theStansbury Era</div><div>4. Dee Bost is a top SEC PG</div><div>5. Moultrie has proven to be a good D-1 player already- he should have done nothing but get better</div><div>6. Rodney Hood was rated one of the top HS Seniors in the nation last season- meaning he should be a good D-1 basketball player</div><div>7. We have returning post depth</div><div>8. Nobody has said this team has Final Four talent</div><div>9. Arguing that this team doesnt have Sweet 16 level talent makes you look ignorant</div><div>10. The Recruiter is supposedly on the best coaches in the SEC- he should be able to get the most out of the talent he has stockpiled</div><div>
</div><div>This team should have some expectations- and it is ridiculous to argue otherwise</div>
We are setting these high expectations for ourselves but the national pundits obviously don't see us being nothing but a borderline tournament team.
ESPN the mag has us in their preseason college basketball issue ranked 62nd out of 318 and 5th in the SEC behind
Kentucky Vandy Florida and Bammer . They have teams such as Belmont and Utah State ahead of us.
I guess the national media is not showing us the love or our own fanbase is completely missing the boat on our expectations of this team
ESPN the mag has us in their preseason college basketball issue ranked 62nd out of 318 and 5th in the SEC behind
Kentucky Vandy Florida and Bammer . They have teams such as Belmont and Utah State ahead of us.
I guess the national media is not showing us the love or our own fanbase is completely missing the boat on our expectations of this team
Who has us projected in the tournament? CBS is the only one I've seen, and that's as a 10 seed. Seeing as how espn has us at 62, I doubt they'll have us in the field at all. And, again, 2 players in the top 100. That doesn't jive with 4 NBA players. Bost will never see the NBA. If he's lucky, he will get drafted 2nd round and play in Europe. Now, he's a solid college PG, but he's no NBA talent. Sidney, he'll get drafted. Moultrie should as well. I don't know that either will ever play much, but they will have a shot to earn a roster spot. There's no way to know about hood yet. I think this team has some potential, but sweet 16? That's pretty bold seeing as how we're not ranked in either poll, not even getting votes in one of them, projected as a 10 seed in one bracket and not even 8th team out in another.
I'm indifferent on stains getting fired if we don't make the tournament, I trust our AD to make the right call. But to me that's more a reflection on the last 5 years than an indication of this particular teams talent. We are an afterthought on most sports websites, so I still don't get the sweet 16 talk. Is the potential there? Probably. I personally think we are about a 6 or 7 seed.
I'm indifferent on stains getting fired if we don't make the tournament, I trust our AD to make the right call. But to me that's more a reflection on the last 5 years than an indication of this particular teams talent. We are an afterthought on most sports websites, so I still don't get the sweet 16 talk. Is the potential there? Probably. I personally think we are about a 6 or 7 seed.
it is very rare to have 3 capable frontcourt players like Sidney,Moultrie and Lewis. Throw in a very experienced, talented, senior PG like Bost and the ingredients are there for a NCAA berth. We have seen enough from Hood to know that he is legit. Stans has been our coach for a long time, it's time for a decent run in the tourney.
the Sporting News summed it up perfectly:<div>
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Bost has been a double-figure scorer for three seasons and has grown his
ability as a playmaker each year. As a senior, he has a genuine opportunity to
create something spectacular. He is in charge of what has been viewed in the
past, with good reason, as the most dysfunctional operation in major-college
hoops. Should Bost approximate the leadership we’ve seen from such points as
Phil Ford or Mateen Cleaves, the Bulldogs could be the surprise team of the
year. </p>
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-11-06/top-point-guards-wisconsins-jordan-taylor-is-perfect-fit#ixzz1cyDVOOO5</div></div>
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Bost has been a double-figure scorer for three seasons and has grown his
ability as a playmaker each year. As a senior, he has a genuine opportunity to
create something spectacular. He is in charge of what has been viewed in the
past, with good reason, as the most dysfunctional operation in major-college
hoops. Should Bost approximate the leadership we’ve seen from such points as
Phil Ford or Mateen Cleaves, the Bulldogs could be the surprise team of the
year. </p>
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2011-11-06/top-point-guards-wisconsins-jordan-taylor-is-perfect-fit#ixzz1cyDVOOO5</div></div>
you keep ducking the question of why you said we'd be no better this year (from last), but now all of the sudden we're final 4 material almost?
He's not so much ducking it as he is just waiting for it to come true, because it "should" be common knowledge right now that no good will come under Stans and he'll squander our talent no matter how good they are. As soon as we don't get a tournament bid, he'll bring the post back up stating that he was right that the team wouldn't be as good because of the leadership, not so much because of the talent.<div>
</div><div>Either that, or coach just likes making douche statements because he finds everyone's reactions so entertaining. At least I know I do.</div>
</div><div>Either that, or coach just likes making douche statements because he finds everyone's reactions so entertaining. At least I know I do.</div>
I think we are Sweet 16 material easily. We have the talent at the starting positions, and if Deville gets well, we will have plenty of bench talent to go 9 deep and make a tournament run. How many websites projected VCU and Butler in the final Four last year? My guess is NONE.
Stans has the talent, will he be able to coach us to the second weekend of the NCAA? Time will Tell, it all starts tonight.
Go Dawgs....
Stans has the talent, will he be able to coach us to the second weekend of the NCAA? Time will Tell, it all starts tonight.
Go Dawgs....
Maybe Moultrie and Hood really are that talented. Who knows at this point? I really have my doubts about Moultrie though unless Stans is a miracle worker at developing players (he is pretty good, but I'm not convinced he's that good). As for Sidney, we all know he has all-world talent, but we also know he's been an all-world head case and screwup. Those 3 are ALL huge question marks at this point. As for Bost, we know what we've got with him. A very solid combo guard and good leaderthat looks like he'll probably be drafted, probalby in the 2nd round.</p>
And how manyfans were saying VCU would easily make the Sweet16? My guess is NONE BUT MAYBE THE MOSTPSYCHO VCU FANS.fishwater99 said:
Terrible point.
...yes, he was the source of a lot of problems last year, no question there. But when it comes down to the bottom line, how many fewer games would we win without his 15 points and 7 rebounds per game, along with his shooting ability to spread the floor? I say we would have gone 13-18. That's with no Sidney ever in the picture, with Elgin starting at center and Wendell backing him up. What matters now is that Sidney is in better shape and has his head in the right place, and anyone who is still going to argue otherwise has not exposed themselves to a shred of State basketball happenings since the end of last season.
None...
How many State players are projected to be drafted in the next two years? FOUR..........
It's all about the talent on your team and coaching, VCU and Butler didn't have the best talent, but had some real good coaching.
You Stans Sheep are already trying to make excuses if he fails this year.
Let's hope he actually makes the Sweet 16 this year and we all will be happy..
How many State players are projected to be drafted in the next two years? FOUR..........
It's all about the talent on your team and coaching, VCU and Butler didn't have the best talent, but had some real good coaching.
You Stans Sheep are already trying to make excuses if he fails this year.
Let's hope he actually makes the Sweet 16 this year and we all will be happy..
You have actually used comments of mine that criticize Stans as quotes in your sig.
Its like you are just tossing anyone who may think you make a bad point into a pile of Stans supporters.
Just because VCU wasnt projected to make the Sweet16 last season and did doesnt mean MSU is easily Sweet16 material. That is psychotic reasoning.
Draft boards had Ravern being drafted. They had Jamont being drafted. Its a total guess and even a proven talent like Jamont isnt a lock. The 2nd round, especially from about the 42nd pick on, is a total crap shoot. Who is drafted and who isnt is random and its where a ton of international reaches happen.
Oh, and Draft Express shows Moultrie and Sidney as the only 2 picks. Moultrie is 53rd in '12and Sidney is 60th in '13...which is the last possible pick.
Its almost as if relying on a mock draft for 2 years from now is dumb.
Its like you are just tossing anyone who may think you make a bad point into a pile of Stans supporters.
Just because VCU wasnt projected to make the Sweet16 last season and did doesnt mean MSU is easily Sweet16 material. That is psychotic reasoning.
Draft boards had Ravern being drafted. They had Jamont being drafted. Its a total guess and even a proven talent like Jamont isnt a lock. The 2nd round, especially from about the 42nd pick on, is a total crap shoot. Who is drafted and who isnt is random and its where a ton of international reaches happen.
Oh, and Draft Express shows Moultrie and Sidney as the only 2 picks. Moultrie is 53rd in '12and Sidney is 60th in '13...which is the last possible pick.
Its almost as if relying on a mock draft for 2 years from now is dumb.
I'm not going to fuss that much if we make the final 32 but miss out on the Sweet Sixteen. However, we should easily make the NCAA's. None of this have to win 2 in the SEC tourney then we do and barely make the NCAA's crap. We may or may not have "Final Four talent", but we definitely have as much talent as Stans' other NCAA teams, and shouldn't struggle to get there. <div>Goat Grindin said:
</div><div>The only way I'll be fussing about not making the Sweet Sixteen is if we have a really good regular season and have a good seed in the NCAA's. If we're a 4 or 5 seed, then we SHOULD make the Sweet Sixteen and Stans' should be held somewhat accountable for not doing it. Problem is, our expectations have been lowered by the last several seasons, so getting to the final 32 will look much better than it did in 2004.
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