My parents grew up in the depression. They had to grow 90% of what they ate, prepare 100% of it themselves and do without what they couldn't. Talk about a food dessert? There were little country stores that you might visit once in a blue moon. It took an expenditure of a lot of energy and a large proportion of their income to obtain enough calories sustain life. You had to go for the biggest bang for the buck so this is also why southern people developed a taste for the cheapest high fat, high calorie foods. Even so, I wager that back then Mississippians were probably among the leanest in the country. Fast forward half a century we have to expend no where near the same energy or proportion of income to obtain enough calories to live on and we still retain the appetite for those inexpensive high calorie foods.
Why are Mississippi Folks so fat?
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Mayo on field peas is THE BOMB! Introduced to this by my papaw who was born in 1898.
For access to food, I mean, it's a tiny, tiny part. So tiny it's silly to talk about in the context of trying to reduce obesity. If you mandated that every convenience store in the middle of BFE carry dried beans and lintels and canned vegetables, those items would mostly sit on the shelf. Microwavable burritos and chips and sodas would still sell.
Income is a little different. Lots of causation going both ways there. Lots of traits likely to make you obese will also make it more likely you have a lower income. Being obese by itself will cause lower income. Low income may not cause obesity in the sense of not being able to afford healthy food (again, you probably won't find many poor obese peopel that don't regularly have soda and chips, both expensive items that provide basically zero nutritional value), but generally being lower income while working a full time job tends to come with lower bandwidth in general, or whatever you want to call it.
It takes mental energy and time to plan for food at home. It's easy to pick up terrible **** from fast food or the grocery store. Same with exercise. I don't have trouble exercising when I come home from work because of being physically tired. It's being mentally drained that makes it hard. Lower income people don't literally need more money to eat healthier and exercise. But more income would likely come with more bandwidth that would make it easier.
I think that's why you see a good number of white collar workers get healthier and in shape in their 40's. Certainly part of that is just getting older and getting scared, but I think it's also getting past the point of working long hours with little flexibility. I didn't work out when the only feasible way for me to do it was to wake up at 4:30am so I could do a good workout and still be at work by 7:00 or to gut it out after an exhausting work day that ended at 6:30 or maybe 7:30 or maybe 9:30. But when you consistently get off work before 6:00pm, it's a lot more manageable, whether you want to do it when you get off work or whether you want to do it in the morning, because you don't have those late nights that make it hard to wake up in the morning.
I think you are right, which makes it interesting to note the difference in 1st world poverty and 3rd world poverty.
I've seen 3rd world poverty, and it's not obese.
SPS is apparently where random well accepted economic, sociological, or nutritional concepts go to die.
It's wild to see people just be like 'nope, that isn't real' to things that are apolitical and have been worked on for decades.
Wild things people actually believe...
- Food deserts aren't real.
- Food deserts aren't real, but if they were, they wouldn't impact obesity.
- You can in fact out exercise a bad diet.
Keep em coming!
It's wild to see people just be like 'nope, that isn't real' to things that are apolitical and have been worked on for decades.
Wild things people actually believe...
- Food deserts aren't real.
- Food deserts aren't real, but if they were, they wouldn't impact obesity.
- You can in fact out exercise a bad diet.
Keep em coming!
Yes they did and never stopped their entire lives. My dad lost his dad at 13, was drafted at 18, fought in the Pacific in WW2, came home, got married, started logging and farming. He quit logging in his late 70s. He quit farming a year before he died at age 95. He was 6.0' and never weighed more than about 165 pounds in his entire life and ate whatever he wanted. Never drank and never smoked.
Right. In most of the world people's heads would spin at the notion that human's become morbidly obese because they are poor and 'food insecure'. People's heads would have spun in this country too 40-50 years ago.
About these 'food deserts' the question is what created them? It is illogical to me to think they were created by anything other than consumer demand. If people can afford enough 'bad food' to make them morbidly obese they could also afford enough 'good food' to easily sustain them. The problem is you can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Breaking that cycle is tough. Mississippi's education system seems to be doing much better after going back to basics. Perhaps this will help change things.
There is an association between thimerosal exposure from vaccines and childhood obesity.
Then why wasn't this a problem 50-60 years ago? The reason is while people are different and weight problems can have a genetic influence, diet absolutely has a LOT to do with it.
Even stuff like online shopping has an effect. We'd make a trip to Northpark Mall at least every other weekend and I reckon we'd put in a good 5,000 steps on a typical trip.
Another controversial possibility is that as smoking rates went down obesity rates went up. Not saying that smoking is good.
Another controversial possibility is that as smoking rates went down obesity rates went up. Not saying that smoking is good.
The poison's in food that are killing us are not additives but consuming too much food itself especially sugar. Toxicity can be measured and is evaluated extensively for pretty much everything in our food. They are not 'poisons'. I am all for minimizing what we can in processed food as long as we maintain a safe and affordable food supply. Food dyes is one of them. We can do without most of these but the reason we have them is they made food more appealing to consumers and more likely to be purchased.
At the turn of the century food borne illness was a major cause of death. There was actually a novelty song written about this called, "Some Little Bug". I have a link posted below by Bradley Kincaid . We have the safest, most inexpensive, most reliable food supply ever in our history and that is actually part of the problem.
Some litte bug
Because 50-60 years ago you didn’t have gas station fried chicken every 2 miles and a McDonalds or Wendy’s or whatever else at every town. Food is readily available everywhere and a lot of it is not healthy choices.
It’s not what’s in it, it’s how much is being consumed. Too many calories.
And getting rid of food dyes will do dittlely dick about helping anyone. The whole food dye debate is a red herring.
“I’m so glad they’re getting rid of red dye in skittle!” It’s 17ing skittles. Like they’re healthy anyway.
I agree. Exactly my point. Diet has everything to do with it.
Dude, I'm 60, you certainly had gas station fried food all over the place, even in tiny Carrollton, MS and all over the delta. I'll agree that there were many less restaurants overall.
I don't disagree. The argument is, even if they are not causing harm are they actually providing a benefit? If not then why not get rid of them? The real red herring is that somehow food is poisoning us when it has never been more safe in our history. What is killing us regarding food is how much we eat and the items we choose to eat.
Nope. Plus thimerosal hasn't been used in vaccines for 24 years.
I sincerely hope you are a sidewalk alum and not a Mississippi State graduate.
Correlation to poverty can't be dismissed. Healthy food is more expensive and less accessible than unhealthy food.
I started this and slowly replaced the time focus to be more aware of only eating when I'm actually hungry. I found that my mentality was that if I got hungry, I had waited too long to eat. At least for me, abiding any time actually feeling hungry was not acceptable to me and I could go for weeks without ever feeling like I needed to eat, more just eating at "normal" times.
Life expectancy has gone up in the last half century. So aGAIN, your diets importance is on down the list. A lot of people struggle getting their weight under control because the other variables in the equation are the ones that are causing the most problems collectively. They've isolated one variable thinking that one thing is going to cause wholesale changes.
Respectfully, I don't think that your sentence is a counter to "food desert" arguments. The why behind food deserts is a pretty complex topic all by itself with a lot of data and nuance that simply doesn't lend itself to the idea of salads being the savior.
Look, there are food deserts that everybody would agree are food deserts. Many of them would be in actual deserts.
There is a term of art definition of food desert, which I don't think anybody disputes the ability to make up definitions for some purposes. We don't seem to be able to reliably map food deserts using the term of art definition, but whatever, even if we could map them reliably, it doesn't mean they would actually be a meaningful cause of obesity.
Is it wild to think that in the richest country in the world where 41% of people are obese and only 8 percent of households don't have a car, that lack of access to food is a meaningful cause of obesity? Or is that one of the things so stupid it can only be taken seriously in academia and government?
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Ho.Lee.Cow. Let me guess, you still believe that vaccines cause autism despite the fact that the guy who made that claim viral was found guilty of serious professional misconduct, including ethical violations and dishonesty. As a result, he was struck off the UK medical register, meaning he could no longer practice medicine in the UK and the original Lancet paper was fully retracted. How did Wakefield respond to all of this, you ask?
He moved to the United States, where he became a prominent figure in the anti-vaccine movement. He should be tried for something for all of the preventable deaths caused.
His positions and actions can be best described as bat$hit crazy, bat$hit crazy, wait that seems like a good idea, bat$hit crazy. I'm not sure what to make of him. If he will get rid of the dyes that the rest of the world has already ditched, that would be good. Some of his other stuff make me question his brain worms claim.
I'll consider it while I search for a proper conspiracy theory to support it.***
Except the rest of the world hasn’t ditched them. A lot of people like to say “well the EU banned these food dyes years ago. “ No actually they didn’t ever ban them, they just go by different names and labels. There’s some that are banned there just like the US has banned some of the ones the EU uses.
You can buy a whole chicken at Wal Mart for less than $8. Whole grain rice & beans are dirt cheap. Bananas are 28 cents each. I regularly get boneless pork chops at Kroger for $5 for a package of 5.
It's really not. You can get dry beans at my local walmart for about 3/4 pf the price per 2,000 calories than great value chips. A 2L of generic cola is even more expensive per 2,000 calories. So are little debbie snacks. I'm sure there are cheaper calories to find in a grocery store, but it's not the calories that are cheaper than beans driving obesity.
This is true, but it's true because of consumer preferences. Unhealthy **** is ubiquitous because that's what people like. If they were going to eat beans instead of chips and soda, the stores would carry those.
If by accessible, you mean easy to eat because it doesn't require cooking or planning, then yes, unhealthy food is much more accessible.
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Time to look in the mirror..oh hell no it's gotta be the CANDY BARS fault!!
1. Muh TikTok vids. Got to watch at least 150 videos to get that critical life advice.
2. Got to get on the six packs and Elite dogs and catch up on my recruiting that I claim not to care about.
3. Log on to muh Scwab account and check my balance. Damn you Trump!!
4. My wife wants to show me something she saw on Facebook.
5. Have you seen the latest episode on Netflix? Hell might as well watch the whole season cuz I forgot what was going on in the first place.
6. Trying to get muh new skins in Fartnite. This won't take but about 2 or 3 hours.
7. Time to break in muh Switch 2.
8. Gotta catch up on all my followers on X.
Time to look in the mirror..oh hell no it's gotta be the CANDY BARS fault!!
That’s the dumbest **** I’ve ever heard on this board.
Might want to point that finger back at yourself and get fitted for a tinfoil hat. Need to keep the brain worms out.
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