why are people concerned about Mullen recruiting another QB?

[Coach34]

Tyson Lee is going to be a Sr and could possibly get hurt next year...hopefully he takes 95% of the snaps though
Carroll is rumored to be transferring
Relf is an unknown commodity to say the least

My thinking is how could you not recruit and bring 2 QB's in? Even with signing 2 QB's, 2010 will be Relf and two RS Freshmen battling for the QB position.

 

[Coach34]

Tyson Lee is going to be a Sr and could possibly get hurt next year...hopefully he takes 95% of the snaps though
Carroll is rumored to be transferring
Relf is an unknown commodity to say the least

My thinking is how could you not recruit and bring 2 QB's in? Even with signing 2 QB's, 2010 will be Relf and two RS Freshmen battling for the QB position.

 

[Coach34]

Tyson Lee is going to be a Sr and could possibly get hurt next year...hopefully he takes 95% of the snaps though
Carroll is rumored to be transferring
Relf is an unknown commodity to say the least

My thinking is how could you not recruit and bring 2 QB's in? Even with signing 2 QB's, 2010 will be Relf and two RS Freshmen battling for the QB position.

 

[Coach34]

Tyson Lee is going to be a Sr and could possibly get hurt next year...hopefully he takes 95% of the snaps though
Carroll is rumored to be transferring
Relf is an unknown commodity to say the least

My thinking is how could you not recruit and bring 2 QB's in? Even with signing 2 QB's, 2010 will be Relf and two RS Freshmen battling for the QB position.

 

[8dog]

1. It might scare Russell away

or

2. It might mean we've lost our grip on Russell.

 

[Coach34]

1. If Russell is worried about some competition at QB, he needs to go to Middle Tenn St. There will be competition at any SEC school</p>

2. If we have lost our grip, then we need to be recruiting 3 QB's and not just 2 (including Russell)</p>

 

[HD6]

is that he pulled Hollingsworth's offer (rightfully so) and told him we were only signing one QB this year.

 

[josebrown]

1. It might scare Russell away

or

2. It might mean we've lost our grip on Russell.

I think number 2 is the reason most are concerned. Since the in-home I have not heard anything official about how it went other than what Yancy may have said.

I would expect Mullen to not rest solely on the commitment of Russell though. We are most certainly not in a great position as far as qb's right now and Mullen needs to bring in a couple. If that scares Russell, then where else could he go and not be scared?

 

[Coach34]

is that he pulled Hollingsworth's offer (rightfully so) and told him we were only signing one QB this year.

is he said that to make the kid feel better about himself when we pulled the offer

 

[dawgstudent]

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[HD6]

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[Coach34]

we have to get a couple of guys in for 2010...I'm not so worried about next year...

I think Lee is going to have a good year and perform much better under Mullen and Hud. He wont have all those ******** reads or a playbook the size of an encyclopedia. Plus, he will have had a year under his belt to settle in. Then, when you throw in simpler blocking assignments for the OL, I see them performing better as well to help him.

 

[HD6]

because that's my line of thought exactly.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...for the reasons 8dog stated. Russell was sticking with a sorry football team and an extremely sorry offense just because he loved State so much. Even after Croom was fired, Russell talked about being in Mobile recruiting other players to come to State. We've never had a blue chip quarterback as committed and ready to play for us as much as Tyler seemed to be. If Mullen can't close the deal on Russell that is a big strike number one against him, unless he can get somebody as good or better (doubtful). And then you couple all this with the book excerpt in Saddawg's blog that basically quoted Tebow as saying that he signed with Florida despite Mullen and that Mullen was initially a big turn off. All of this has me concerend. Do whatever you have to do to get Russell, even if that means laying off of another quarterback.

As far as competition goes, the "well if he is afraid of competition, he needs to go to X" is a fallacy. The one thing we have to offer at State is early playing time and making a name for yourself. On top of that, are we even really in the picture for Cotton? He's certainly not committed to us. The worst case scenario is that you go for two big name qb's and end up with neither, when you could've had one big name qb if you had left the other alone. Can't let that happen.

 

[8dog]

no. 2. I think its just that the fact that we may actually be doing that is an indication that we've lost him. Of course we need to keep recruiting more qbs if we've lost our grip.

 

[FlabLoser]

we have to get a couple of guys in for 2010...I'm not so worried about next year...

I think Lee is going to have a good year and perform much better under Mullen and Hud. He wont have all those ******** reads or a playbook the size of an encyclopedia. Plus, he will have had a year under his belt to settle in. Then, when you throw in simpler blocking assignments for the OL, I see them performing better as well to help him.

My thoughts exactly.

I'd be more concerned if we were not going after another QB.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...we should be concerned about recruiting period. I'll withhold judgment until signing day. If Russell is in the fold, all's well that ends well. If not, we're going to have a problem.

 

[OMlawdog]

That they won't have competition in their class for playing time.

I think it is the smart decision. I would hope most QB recruits would look at depth charts and others in their class and make a decision that is in their best interests.

I think a lot of SEC schools sign just one QB each class and tell that kid that he is their guy, and I could completely understand a kid seeing that the school that has told him from day one that he was their guy is now recruiting another QB, would feel slighted and would want to look elsewhere.

Now, if Mullen's interest in Cotton causes Russell to bolt, that is stupid on Mullen, but if Mullen felt that Russell was giving MSU the run around, and he is starting to shop, then it is a smart move on Mullen's part.

 

[java the mutt]

I am quite sure that he isn't the only good high school QB in America. With that said I would like to land both of these QB's probably not going to happen. If we get one or the other plus another qb to go with this class I believe competition brings out the best in people.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

That they won't have competition in their class for playing time.

I think it is the smart decision. I would hope most QB recruits would look at depth charts and others in their class and make a decision that is in their best interests.

I think a lot of SEC schools sign just one QB each class and tell that kid that he is their guy, and I could completely understand a kid seeing that the school that has told him from day one that he was their guy is now recruiting another QB, would feel slighted and would want to look elsewhere.

Now, if Mullen's interest in Cotton causes Russell to bolt, that is stupid on Mullen, but if Mullen felt that Russell was giving MSU the run around, and he is starting to shop, then it is a smart move on Mullen's part.

Yep, just ask Blake Barnes about competition at QB. He didn't consider QB competition when he made his decision.

Snead considered competition which is why he didn't sign with Florida (Tebow), but at least for him he was smart enough to leave Texas when he didn't win the job over McCoy at Texas.

If Russell really is the real deal, and he's MSU's top QB target, then any other QB Mullen brings in would need to be recruited more as a fall back. For other positions than QB, I think it's weak on the recruit's part if he doesn't go somewhere due to fear of competition. However, at QB, it's definitely something that has to be considered. Otherwise you can end up wasting your career on the bench since teams usually don't play more than one QB.

 

[uscreb]

Very few schools can do it. There is more hopping around by 4-star QB's than kangaroos in the outback. I really can't think of a school in recent memory that was able to pull in two. USC was able to commit a 4-star and 5-star in 2005, with Sanchez and Michael Coleman. Coleman was switched to TB and eventually transferred.

Whether Mullen is right or wrong, perhaps he just thinks it is worth risking Russell's commitment to talk to a player that better fits the system he wants to run. I would take either one of them, they both seem to be decent talents with the potential to carry a team. I DO think that Russell's HS experience was a bit higher caliber than Cotton's, but by the same token, Cotton spent a year at a small school that had been at the bottom of the pile in it's division and was able to move them to the middle of the pack. He may have the patience necessary to wait out a year and learn a system without losing focus.

Finally, to address the Mullen being kicked out of Patterson's house thing. I can't seem to find anybody to actuallyverify that it happened, but two folks that I know who have had interactions with Mullen say that he is a pretty intimidating figure and is a bit "loud," but both agreed that he is about average for division one coaches. As a sidenote, one of them hates Hudspeth because of the wife-dumping thing... but he is also a sanctimonious prick who finds lots of reasons to not like all kinds of folks.

 

[msudawg12]

How can we not be looking for another QB, as much as I am for the concept of Tyler Russell, The ability to perform from High School to College is always an unknown

 

[Dead Cactus]

are completely untrue.

Gene Swindoll and Steve Robertson say the Patterson visit went well, that the Russells like Mullen and that Raymond Cotton does not have an offer from MSU. uscreb cannot prove otherwise, as stated earlier.

The only people who swear by all this is VanillaFace, Olemissgrad and Yancy Porter. And other Ole Miss fans who desperately want these stupid attempts at rumors to be true. Do the math here, and quit listening to idiots. Just as the coaching search went, there probably won't be anything but rumors in recruiting for the next couple of weeks, because there sure as hell isn't any real recruiting going on. Remember that.

 

[Ole Miss Grad]

By all means, if gene said it.....it must be true.

 

[graddawg]

are completely untrue.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Gene Swindoll</span> and Steve Robertson say the Patterson visit went well, that the Russells like Mullen and that Raymond Cotton does not have an offer from MSU. uscreb cannot prove otherwise, as stated earlier.

The only people who swear by all this is VanillaFace, Olemissgrad and Yancy Porter. And other Ole Miss fans who desperately want these stupid attempts at rumors to be true. Do the math here, and <span style="font-weight: bold;">quit listening to idiots.</span> Just as the coaching search went, there probably won't be anything but rumors in recruiting for the next couple of weeks, because there sure as hell isn't any real recruiting going on. Remember that.

Something doesn't add up here.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

I don't swear by any of this, except that I do know the Patterson visit went very badly.

Though I don't see any problem with trying to sign Cotton. In fact, I don't see any reason not to at least try.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...what about that reason named Russell? I am not saying we should or shouldn't pursue Cotton, but there is definitely some risk involved in it.

 

[uscreb]

Saying anything about MSU offering Cotton... in fact, the following is the only post I remember making that was even close. Leave me out of your douchery.

are completely untrue.

Gene Swindoll and Steve Robertson say the Patterson visit went well, that the Russells like Mullen and that Raymond Cotton does not have an offer from MSU. uscreb cannot prove otherwise, as stated earlier.
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It is not very realistic to hope for two top tier QB's. That has nothing to do with MSU.

Very few schools can do it. There is more hopping around by 4-star QB's than kangaroos in the outback. I really can't think of a school in recent memory that was able to pull in two. USC was able to commit a 4-star and 5-star in 2005, with Sanchez and Michael Coleman. Coleman was switched to TB and eventually transferred.

Whether Mullen is right or wrong, perhaps he just thinks it is worth risking Russell's commitment to talk to a player that better fits the system he wants to run. I would take either one of them, they both seem to be decent talents with the potential to carry a team. I DO think that Russell's HS experience was a bit higher caliber than Cotton's, but by the same token, Cotton spent a year at a small school that had been at the bottom of the pile in it's division and was able to move them to the middle of the pack. He may have the patience necessary to wait out a year and learn a system without losing focus.

Finally, to address the Mullen being kicked out of Patterson's house thing. I can't seem to find anybody to actually verify that it happened, but two folks that I know who have had interactions with Mullen say that he is a pretty intimidating figure and is a bit "loud," but both agreed that he is about average for division one coaches. As a sidenote, one of them hates Hudspeth because of the wife-dumping thing... but he is also a sanctimonious prick who finds lots of reasons to not like all kinds of folks.

 

[Dead Cactus]

nm

 

[Dead Cactus]

other than what you read on the boards.

I don't swear by any of this, except that I do know the Patterson visit went very badly.

What the hell? Yeah, OK. You know but you don't swear by it. Awesome, your source is impeccable. Next.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

Nice try Goat.

 

[dawgstudent]

but who is your source? Any kind of hint will suffice. OleMissGrad doesn't count.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

not olemissgrad.

 

[uscreb]

Finally, to address the Mullen being kicked out of Patterson's house thing. I can't seem to find anybody to actually verify that it happened,

Read the whole fricking post....

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just curious Mr. "Cactus", but you are throwing stones at these rumors that are being posted. However, the only sources you cite are Robertson and Swindoll. So basically, you don't have a source, but you're trying to discredit the sources others have.

I don't have a source for this information, and I don't pretend to. However, in not having a source, I can't tell you for sure one way or another if any of these rumors are true. The flip side of that, is that I can't tell you for sure that they are false. If you're coming to say that a rumor is definitely 100% untrue, you don't have a lot of credibility unless you have a source not affiliated with scout.com.

That said, I haven't seen OP make stuff up before, nor have I seen him use Yancy as a source for information. And I haven't seen usc or Grad make stuff up either. If all three of them are pulling out the same story from their separate, non-scout.com, sources, then there is a good chance the story has some legs. Edited to add: And the reason I say that specifically about Grad and usc is that they aren't only bringing out positive Ole Miss. They've come with rumors that were not good for Ole Miss, and they've been right about those typically as well.

 

[4suredog]

1.) If any of you people have seen our O-line play then you would know we probably need 9 QB's.

2.) Why do Ole Miss fans believe they know what and who is best for MSU? Nobody in all of America has seen Dan Mullen and Mark Hudspeth's offense yet, hell they don't know what they are gonna even try until they get to spring practice. I have no idea whats going on in Oxford, who they're recruiting or what Houston's plan is nor do I give a damn....

 

[bonedaddy401]

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[bonedaddy401]

Why can't you know nothings just stay at Nafoom and watch youtube videos and look at choicers all day? You all obviously don't know much about sports.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

Why can't you know nothings just stay at Nafoom and watch youtube videos and look at choicers all day? You all obviously don't know much about sports.</p>

Just curious, but what leads you to say that any of these posters doesn't know much about sports? The fact that they are posting things you don't like, or the fact that they won't come out and reveal the name of their sources? And what exactly does that have to do with knowing about sports?

 

[uscreb]

Whether Mullen is right or wrong, perhaps he just thinks it is worth risking Russell's commitment to talk to a player that better fits the system he wants to run.

Seems to me that this Ole Miss fan is suggesting that Mullen knows better what he needs than the rest of us. Uh, that would include you, too.