wHY CAnT mUlLeNZ beat a TOp 20 TEaMZ!!!11?
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But on his facebook, he has pictures from the Grove. I never see pictures when he is in Starkville!!!
Maybe Rambis is on to something!!!
Maybe Rambis is on to something!!!
So is one of their current propaganda lines.
They get who they want in the state -- except for the fact that Mullen has won 4 of 5 in-state recruiting battles against them...and has beaten Freeze twice now in that regard. It's just strange to me that anyone believes that we found our "ceiling" in year 2 with a QB that couldn't throw down field at all...
I am not going to argue this and never said that Croom was a good coach. But he did bring in some good recruits.
I was asking who will be Mullen's first 1st round draft pick and you said Crooms didn't have any, which is dead wrong...
well there you have it. Thread over. Some random OM Bears that may or may not exist may or may not actually have this opinion. Wrap it in Red and Blue.
Is FISH talking about Preseason poll? Or postseason? The argument is redundant because we are MSU fans. Much like UM if you asked their fans "if you beat ALL the teams you were supposed to beat and lost to the teams you were supposed to lose to....would you be happy?" They would scream from the mountain tops YES! Just as I am and so should you! I remember when we lost to Maine! Maine! I also remember when UM lost to Jacksonville St. The whole thing is a big fat waste of time! Calm down Fish. And I used the UM angle of this argument to suit you if you were a closet rebel too.
On second
thought, I actually don't think he's a troll, and I know he is a State fan.
It's just so outrageous that someone can be this simpleminded, that these were my initial thoughts. Unfortunately, somone can be.
thought, I actually don't think he's a troll, and I know he is a State fan.
It's just so outrageous that someone can be this simpleminded, that these were my initial thoughts. Unfortunately, somone can be.
if somebody wants to make a point, i suggest posting mullens record vs teams that msu is actually capable of beating...ie teams that didnt make the bcs. to list a bunch of the same teams multiple times with national championships or bcs appearances might be diluting an argument that some of you might be making....not necessarily one i agree with, but diluting it nonetheless.
Guilty of marrying a bear myself. And why not--the women are hot and they swallow**
You may think the notion that the bears want Mullen around because he wont be able to out-recruit Freeze is simple minded KR, but that doesn't offend me, because I'm not the one who thought it. The bear who told me is going to email a link to a podcast on one of the rebel sites. This is exactly what they are saying. Whether or not they are rationalizing or it's wishful thinking, I can't say because I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm not making this up to piss anyone off.
You may think the notion that the bears want Mullen around because he wont be able to out-recruit Freeze is simple minded KR, but that doesn't offend me, because I'm not the one who thought it. The bear who told me is going to email a link to a podcast on one of the rebel sites. This is exactly what they are saying. Whether or not they are rationalizing or it's wishful thinking, I can't say because I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm not making this up to piss anyone off.
I sure did and the only time we have a problem is the yearly Egg Bowl game.
You know my Facebook page is full of recipes, Facebook games, Pinterest posts, and pics of my kids' first day at school...
You know my Facebook page is full of recipes, Facebook games, Pinterest posts, and pics of my kids' first day at school...
D*mn--my bad! Guess I really am simple minded after all... Here's the podcast link. You can't make this stuff up. RebelGrove.com - Podcast: 7-1-13
You say you aren't arguing -- then you turn right around and make an attempt to argue some straw man ******** that I never said in the first place? Croom NEVER coached our most recent first rounder. Squandered Sherrod -- as I've shown already. Oh -- and Mullen was 100% responsible for the CB that went ahead of Banks in the draft. So, what gives?
Again -- since you couldn't read it the first time -- what Croom-coached player ever went in the front round? Can even be one of Jackie's players... Inquiring minds want to know...
If Croom gets credit for those players, Alabama and Floida need to be shipping Mike Shula and Ron Zook a few championship rings...
Croom reels in top 40 classes -- Mullen reels in top 25 classes -- Sky is falling!!1!1 Croom talent leaving!!1!1
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Croom recruited players that were 1st round draft picks.. I never said they played for him.
Yes the sky is falling, well maybe not just yet, but did you notice we lost 5 of the last 6 games last year?
How will you feel if we finish this year 6-6 or 5-7?
Yes the sky is falling, well maybe not just yet, but did you notice we lost 5 of the last 6 games last year?
How will you feel if we finish this year 6-6 or 5-7?
So, anotherwords you just jumped through a hoop in order to give credit to a guy that couldn't put a single one of his own players in the NFL -- while at the same time attempting to marginalize our current staff...Got it...
How will you feel when we beat OK State in game 1 in Houston? Actually, allow me. "Oh, they were overrated" -- and since they will almost assuredly drop from the top 20 or top 25, "Mullen can't beat top 25 teams!!1!1".
You prove how shortsighted your viewpoint is every time you bring up 5 games out of 51 as a good reason to be "off the bandwagon" and expecting the sky to fall. Were those games concerning? Yes. Do they imply that things are about to fall apart -- or in any way prevent us from being an improved team this year? No way. Bring back almost everything in the trenches -- upgrade talent and depth across the board other than a CB position that we wasted last year -- the sky is falling. Only from shortsighted MSU fans, which call for us to go in circles instead of ever really moving forward.
Hes right in the sense that if TR is our QB, we're better off adoring more pro-style sets (which we will). Remember C34 wrote the piece "Dan Mullen: stop half assing the offense"? That was the premise. Put him in drop back sets, let the OL get some push, and then take advantage of LBs bite on play action.
The points you listed (Auburn 2012, Florida 2011) all struggled because they had spread QBs playing in pro-style systems. We, on the other hand, have the direct opposite. Apples to oranges.
Also, you say more prostyle feel would "benefit NO ONE ELSE". You don't think our backs can play out of pro-style? You don't think Malcomn Johnson can get open over the middle if LBs are biting on play action? We can run fly sweeps and bubble screens to Jameon out of pro style sets just as easily as out of spread.
Im not saying we're going to be Bama next year, but we'll have a more prostyle feel than last year.
Look out you are making some good points and agreeing with me. You will be called ignorant shortly.
If we beat OSU in Houston, I will give Mullen all the credit. They are a solid team and a BCS power. I hope we crush them.
What will you say if we lose by 14 and finish the season 6-6?
What will you say if we lose by 14 and finish the season 6-6?
BIG difference between the points you made and the points(lack thereof) that Fish has made.
Where is anyone arguing that the offense shouldn't continually be tweaked to fit our personnel? I'm all for tweaking -- and hopefully it will be much better executed this year with Russell at the helm. That said, there's a gap a MILE wide between "tweaks" and "wholesale changes" that Fish is calling for. The biggest change needs to come in playcalling IMO.
I'm just saying that you do not change who you are or what you are built to do. There is alot more that goes into making a spread offense and pro-style offense successful than simply taking a clean sheet of paper, seeing what your QB can do, and building around that. Not in college. Not for one year. Not for a team that only has one QB capable of success in that setup. To be successful in truly transitioning, it requires changing everything about the OL to be rebuilt -- size -- terminology -- footwork -- blocking schemes, etc. Our entire team is built around being a spread team with a dual-threat QB. Judging by what I saw in the spring, we've tweaked it about as far as we can go with Russell without going too far and getting away from the strengths of the team. Hell, one could easily argue that we're already too far away from the strengths of the team judging by total production of last yr vs Relf's seasons...
Since when is John Brantley a "spread QB"? The UF offense sucked in 2010 under Meyer because he was a Pro-Style QB forced into that spread -- and it sucked even worse when they tried to transition to pro-style in 2011. Why? Because even though the offense fit him under Weis -- it didn't fit the rest of the team's personnel. In reality, Brantley, himself, was the one that didn't fit. We are dealing with the exact same problem with Russell. How about Dakota Mosley? The only spread QB in the group I described was Frasier -- and he lost his starting gig a few different times. Anotherwords, my comparison was definitely apples to apples.
What do you want me to say? I'd say hell yeah we're bowling -- we went 3-5 in the SEC, meaning we probably beat Ole Miss and Auburn/Arkansas to go along with Kentucky(Arky would be historic in that it would be our first ever victory in that state) -- and enjoy the heck out of whatever bowl they send us to.
Then, I'd thank God we're back to a true dual-threat read option spread team -- and enjoy the hell out of the fact that we're only losing 8 scholarship seniors for the smallest loss by far in Mullen's tenure and the VAST majority of contributors on both sides of the ball would be back for another year. I'd love the fact that we were transitioning from Skinner to Richie Brown -- From Autry to Chris Jones -- from Siddoway to Robinson or these JUCOs -- from Russell to Prescott -- from Perkins to Robinson and Holloway. Literally the only positions that I think we actually see any notable dropoff are probably left guard and free safety. 2014 is the year I've had circled on the calendar for a long *** time as when the rubber REALLY meets the road -- and Mullen to take "the next steps" should be reasonably expected. It'll also be the first time that the redshirting program had truly come full circle...
I disagree. I'm not happy with beating just the teams "we are suppose to beat". I want to beat LSU, Bama, A&M, Auburn, etc. regularly.
BUT I am not a naive prick either. We are coming off a great 5 and 7 year that gave us hope followed by Gator, Music City and Gator Bowls. Arguably our greatest 4 year run ever. We also have a chance at winning 6 or 7 this year and going to a 4th straight bowl game. If we keep this up for 2 to 3 more years and then don't start taking the next step from averaging 7 to 8 wins per year to 8 to 9 and then 9 to 10, then I'll start putting pressure on Mullen.
Right now? I'm happy as **** and we are looking at possibly our greatest 5 year stretch ever.
BUT I am not a naive prick either. We are coming off a great 5 and 7 year that gave us hope followed by Gator, Music City and Gator Bowls. Arguably our greatest 4 year run ever. We also have a chance at winning 6 or 7 this year and going to a 4th straight bowl game. If we keep this up for 2 to 3 more years and then don't start taking the next step from averaging 7 to 8 wins per year to 8 to 9 and then 9 to 10, then I'll start putting pressure on Mullen.
Right now? I'm happy as **** and we are looking at possibly our greatest 5 year stretch ever.
If we lose by 14 and finish 6 and 6 next year, I'll say 17 yeah. That's not what I'm shooting for but you do realize that finishing 6 and 6 will guarantee our greatest 5 year run.......................EVER.
And somehow we aren't suppose to be excited about that?
And somehow we aren't suppose to be excited about that?
And there's the question that none of our many overly reactive and emotional fans will ever, ever answer.
Year 1 was exciting.
Year 4 - it was our 3rd straight bowl game.
History says Year 4 rarely happens.
Year 4 - it was our 3rd straight bowl game.
History says Year 4 rarely happens.
I just don't buy making a bowl game as a standard of success, especially here in the 12 game season era. Year 1 had excitement, but I didn't see the greatness.
It will be hard for me to be excited if we finish 6-6 in year 5 of Mullen, especially after the way we ended last season.
It will just backup my hypothesis that Mullen is on the decline and he peaked in year 2 with Crooms players.
I hope I am dead wrong, and year 5 and 6 is another great one to be a Bulldog.
Mullen has been recuiting better the last two years, imo.
Record Under Mullen
1st year 5-7
2nd year 9-4
3rd year 7-6
4th year 8-5 (Lose 5 out of last 6)
5th year 6-6 ?
There are some inherent items that a majority of people are overlooking..
With the main one being that we play in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the land. Winners of the last 7 BCS and 4 Straight (5 of last 6) in our own division. Recently there have been 2-3 teams from west finishing in final Top 10. We play arguably one of the toughest schedules every year, even if the OOC's arent powerhouses. Over time if we remain stagnant in the wins department and never bet an upper echelon team, there should be concern.
Mullen has built our depth tremendously in most positions, something we have rarely had as MSU. We now have more than just the starting 11 on both sides, with 1st team talent. From what Mullen was left with to where we are now, is night and day different. He has had 3 straight winning seasons and a 29-22 overall record after 4 years. How many of you would have given your left testicle for those results after watching the Maine and Tulane games? We have been inches, literally, away from beating LSU twice and an Arkansas team that went to Sugar Bowl in 11. We have been competitive with the best of the best each year, except for a few games here and there. He has been able to redshirt and develop players the last few years and we will start to see the results. One example is McKinney. I don't think he is where he is right now, had he been forced into action as a true freshman. The first couple years under Mullen, we had to put true freshman in games, probably before they were actually ready to see the field. Also, I think Mullen has come a long way in his approach to recruiting. When at Florida, the name Florida did most of the recruiting. His hiring of Brewster and Townsend show that he's coming around to the way MSU has to recruit.
I am in no way saying that a 6-6 end to regular season and a lower bowl will be satisfying, but it sure beats not going to a bowl and losing to ****** teams from CUSA and Maine. The only league better than SEC awards the Lombardi to the winner. Let that sink in. We aren't playing in the powder puff 12. I am satisfied with consistently winning in the toughest division in the country. Building a program takes consistent winning and consistent recruiting. Both will fuel the other and take us to the next level. We are selling out a stadium, expanding it's capacity and seeing an influx of money like no other time in MSU Football history. The facilities have increased dramatically also in the last few years. Nothing happens for free and without work, and these things don't effect the bottom line over night. Anyone in the business field knows this. The next major step that needs to be taken is finding a way to keep some of the assistant coaches around longer. Probably difficult to do, but forking up some more cash to close the revolving door at OC or DC would pay dividends.
Consistent winning will eventually lead to bigger things.
With the main one being that we play in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the land. Winners of the last 7 BCS and 4 Straight (5 of last 6) in our own division. Recently there have been 2-3 teams from west finishing in final Top 10. We play arguably one of the toughest schedules every year, even if the OOC's arent powerhouses. Over time if we remain stagnant in the wins department and never bet an upper echelon team, there should be concern.
Mullen has built our depth tremendously in most positions, something we have rarely had as MSU. We now have more than just the starting 11 on both sides, with 1st team talent. From what Mullen was left with to where we are now, is night and day different. He has had 3 straight winning seasons and a 29-22 overall record after 4 years. How many of you would have given your left testicle for those results after watching the Maine and Tulane games? We have been inches, literally, away from beating LSU twice and an Arkansas team that went to Sugar Bowl in 11. We have been competitive with the best of the best each year, except for a few games here and there. He has been able to redshirt and develop players the last few years and we will start to see the results. One example is McKinney. I don't think he is where he is right now, had he been forced into action as a true freshman. The first couple years under Mullen, we had to put true freshman in games, probably before they were actually ready to see the field. Also, I think Mullen has come a long way in his approach to recruiting. When at Florida, the name Florida did most of the recruiting. His hiring of Brewster and Townsend show that he's coming around to the way MSU has to recruit.
I am in no way saying that a 6-6 end to regular season and a lower bowl will be satisfying, but it sure beats not going to a bowl and losing to ****** teams from CUSA and Maine. The only league better than SEC awards the Lombardi to the winner. Let that sink in. We aren't playing in the powder puff 12. I am satisfied with consistently winning in the toughest division in the country. Building a program takes consistent winning and consistent recruiting. Both will fuel the other and take us to the next level. We are selling out a stadium, expanding it's capacity and seeing an influx of money like no other time in MSU Football history. The facilities have increased dramatically also in the last few years. Nothing happens for free and without work, and these things don't effect the bottom line over night. Anyone in the business field knows this. The next major step that needs to be taken is finding a way to keep some of the assistant coaches around longer. Probably difficult to do, but forking up some more cash to close the revolving door at OC or DC would pay dividends.
Consistent winning will eventually lead to bigger things.