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dawgfan77

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Guys, we need an energetic, offensive minded HC. Now ,I would be open to guys like Graham and Patterson because I think they would hire very good OC's.

Tuberville has a great record and is a proven winner, but he looks tired. Tuberville built his team with ball control offense good to great defense and ST. That is JS all over, and while I loved Sherril that style is not what we need right now. We need a dynamic coach that can get the best out of the players we can get. Someone willing to take chances in games and bring excitement to the fans on game day. That guy is out there, but I really don't think we should hire someone that is not good enough for a sister SEC west school.
 
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dawgfan77

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Guys, we need an energetic, offensive minded HC. Now ,I would be open to guys like Graham and Patterson because I think they would hire very good OC's.

Tuberville has a great record and is a proven winner, but he looks tired. Tuberville built his team with ball control offense good to great defense and ST. That is JS all over, and while I loved Sherril that style is not what we need right now. We need a dynamic coach that can get the best out of the players we can get. Someone willing to take chances in games and bring excitement to the fans on game day. That guy is out there, but I really don't think we should hire someone that is not good enough for a sister SEC west school.
 
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the things I hear on message boards. If Tubs is available and interested MSU better get him. If he's interested , he 's motivated and will be coming in to prove some points as he does not need the money. Neither Patterson, Pettersen, nor Kelly are going to take this job, if you can get Tubs you better get him. With that being said, I do not think that he will be our next coach.
 
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need to move on and need a new setting. Tubbs at Auburn is a prime example of this. They are sick of each other. Hell, Nutt is as energetic as any now that he has a new home at UM. I'm all for Tubbs if we can land him.</p>
 
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And I think you're an idiot.

It really doesn't matter whether a coach is offensive or defensive minded. All that matters is winning, and Tubberville wins. Also, I find it funny that you act like Tubby is not a dynamic coach that gets the best out of his players, and even funnier, you act like he's not a coach that's willing to take chances in games.

Bottom line, you don't want to have to take Auburn's leftovers, but there is nothing wrong with that if the other school is making a mistake. Take a look at Tubberville's record at Auburn:

1999: 5-6
2000: 9-4
2001: 7-5
2002: 9-4
2003: 8-5
2004: 13-0
2005: 9-3
2006: 11-2
2007: 9-4
2008: 5-7

That's 8 winning seasons in 10 years, 8 bowls in 10 years (5 of which were NYD bowls), and 2 West titles, along with finishing in the Top 25 six times. You could do much worse than getting a coach with that type of track record.
 
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down here on the coast has pretty much come out and said that Tubby is gone.
there is supposed to be a news conference around 1:30 @ auburn.
WNSP 105.5 is the source, for those who care.
 
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dawgfan77

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fwsultan said:
the things I hear on message boards. If Tubs is available and interested MSU better get him. If he's interested , he 's motivated and will be coming in to prove some points as he does not need the money. Neither Patterson, Pettersen, nor Kelly are going to take this job, if you can get Tubs you better get him. With that being said, I do not think that he will be our next coach.
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How do you know for sure we are not getting Patterson? Until he comes out and says I am not interested nor a candidate for the MSU job, he is still out there.

As for as Motivation for Tubs, what motivation? He will be beyond rich from AU, his retirment will kick in, what will motivate him to out work his competion, to go out and fund raise, to work hard and make MSU a winner. I don't see him as having that much fire left.
 
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I would be giddy as hell if he came here.

Thinking back, there is not one game in 5 years that I felt confident about. Not one. The (few) wins, they were all surprises. Tuberville knows how to win. He would find ways to win. I believe he would do an excellent job here. He'd bring back a lot of that confidence lost in the Croom Coast Offense.
 
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Why in the world would we hire him! Wasn't he on the other sideline during past egg bowls! Great... let him come in here.. rejuvenate is career and bolt when the time is right and we'll be right back where we are right now. Plenty of coaches out there..
 
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dawgfan77 said:
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Tubs lost this year and look demoralized. Nutt won in 2007 and looked like he still had fire. Remember this:</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BxKNcsUZHI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BxKNcsUZHI

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Tubs looked like 2003 Jackie.
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EXACTLY! I have watched Auburn all year, and Tuberville looked dead all year, no passion, no fire.
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You ever think it was the situation he was in that he was tired of? Sometimes a change in scenery can help rejuvenate someone
 
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the throws of a divorce, my mind may not be on football either. Getting out of Auburn may be just what he needs.
 
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But when I think of Tommy Tuberville, I distinctly remember the 2002 Thursday night game we had against them. They were kicking our *** (big shock), and Tuberville ran a fake FG. It was like getting kicked in the nuts.

He is a good coach, no question, but 17 him.
 
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Stormrider81

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This situation is nothing like Nutt last year. Nutt had a good season last year and beat eventual national champion LSU on their own home field. Tubberville's team looked absolutely pathetic down the stretch and got absolutely hammered by Bama, the worse Iron Bowl loss for Auburn in quite some time. Tubbs went 5-7 at Auburn this year - let that sink in. I don't care what the OC situation is, he went 5-7 at a school that is much easier to win at than MSU. Also, people are blaming the OC but are also failing to mention the fact that Tubberville has always had problems with his OC. What makes anyone think he will come into MSU and hire the right OC to dramatically improve our offense (it won't take much to make some sort of improvement)?

He looks like he needs a year off.</p>
 
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Where else is he going to go? There's no reason to hire Tubbs immediately when there are other good coaches we can talk to.
 
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saltybulldog

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You got video of Nutt after they just beat the No. 1 team in the country. Who wouldnt be that fired up?

You got a picture of Tubs after a long season and a loss to their rival.
 
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Last game of the year, against their rivals. Tells the tale of how their "last" year with the respective schools played out. That is, assuming this is Tubs last year at the Barn.
 
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saltybulldog

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My point was that you cant take those two snapshots in time and assume that is the way both feel all the time. If you find video of Nutt after a loss you will see that he looks "worn out and tired" and vice versa for Tubs. I am not disagreeing with your assessment, just the case you present.
 
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DowntownDawg

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....Alabama had two losing season 4-9 in 2003 and 3-8 in 2000. They also went 6-6 in the regular season 3 times.
....LSU went 3-8 in 1999 before Saban got there and got things moving.
....Arkansas went 4-7 and 5-6 in 2004, and 2005, not to mention a .500 record in 2000

I don't have to mention us or Ole Miss.

So you are not going to say that because he went 5-7 this past year, that's an unforgiveable sin? He has been no worse than the best SEC programs over a ten year period. Then you will tell me that, no, one losing season is understantable, but he just "looks tired." So we are relying on your impression of how somebody "looks" as criteria not to hire a football coach.

Storm, your record as an engineer over the past ten years has been impeccable. You have overall done great work, been as good or better than anybody at the firm. This past year, one of your staff memebers that we made you hire didn't perform very well, so that's not good, but again, your body of work is one of the best at our firm. However, you just looked kind of pale and tired at work, so we are turning you down for the promotion.
 
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Stormrider81

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in the late 90's. All of the sudden it fell off. You can't just look at someone's track record and label them a success.

Here's what I'm saying:
- Tubberville went 5-7 at Auburn.
- Tubberville traditionally sucks at hiring quality OCs.
- Tubbs is getting older and looks like he has been beaten down. There are rumors of off the field distractions (sound familiar?).
- He's on the way back down rather than up if we get him.

He wouldn't be a bad hire, but people are talking about elevating him to the top of the list automatically and I think that is ridiculous. We have other options, ones that don't include someone fired for going 5-7 at Auburn with a pathetic offense. We just got rid of a coach that struggled with the offense and now our fans are wanting to run out and grab another coach with problems offensively over several prominent assistants or lower level coaches who don't have problems on offense. Forgive me for saying we should take a strong look at Tubberville rather than simply elevating him to #1 and hiring him ASAP.
 
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dawgfan77

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I think some of you are blinded by the success that Tubs had 00-06, if you look at his body of work, his program has been on the decline the last two years. Look at his losses to USF and us last year, now this year he goes 5-7. Tuberville was, and repeat was one of the top coaches in the SEC for about a 6 year period, but as it goes with most coaches, burn out has set in.
Folks, everyone on hear was complaining about Croom and his offense, and how bad of a coach Jackie finished as. Well let me ask you a question, do want this again? Becasue if we hire Tuberville we are getting no better as far as offense and the desire to win. I just cannot understand how these folks wanting Tubs cannot see this. We need energy, fire and a passion for all things MSU, in other words we dont need Tubs.
 
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DowntownDawg

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Tubberville went 5-7 at Auburn.
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Again, look at the rest of the programs in the SEC West. That's why I posted that. They've all done worse at one time or another in the past ten years. You don't hold one bad year in 9 or 10 against somebody to that extent. It's a tough division in a tough conference.

Tubberville traditionally sucks at hiring quality OCs.
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Yeah, they were horrible a few years ago when they went 13-0 and developed 3 first round draft picks.
- Tubbs is getting older and looks like he has been beaten down. There are rumors of off the field distractions (sound familiar?).
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You are so scared by the Jackie situation that you aren't thinking straight. You know, Saban looked tired to me last year. They tanked the last half of the season. He couldn't turn it around. They lost to La Monroe for Pete's Sake, not to mention Auburn for the 6th time in a row. He looked burned out. He needed to take a year off, right? Come on. Don't give me "so and so looks tired." I think he looks peppy. I think he did everything he did this season to turn it around including fire somebody in the middle of the @%$++$@ year. When arguing, don't tell me that a reason for not hiring an extremely successful coach is that he looks pale and peaked.
- He's on the way back down rather than up if we get him.
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Just like Saban last year. That's just an opinion. He's not 75. He's not Joe Pa. He's got plenty of years left if he wants to have that.

We just got rid of a coach that struggled with the offense and now our fans are wanting to run out and grab another coach with problems offensively over several prominent assistants or lower level coaches who don't have problems on offense.
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None of those prominent assistants have ever 1) been a head coach in the SEC or 2) had success in the SEC with their units. Tuberville has done both. For a long time. To a high level.
 
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Stormrider81

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"Yeah, they were horrible a few years ago when they went 13-0 and developed 3 first round draft picks."

Ever think they were 13-0 because of the 3 first round picks? I mean, Auburn hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire offensively since. They were good in 2005, and then dropped off in 2006 and were not very good at all, prompting the firing of Borges, in 2007. This year was a total disaster. The years before 2004 they pretty much weren't much to talk about offensively. They were decent with Rudi Johnson.
 
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DowntownDawg

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Shug Jordan? How in the holy hell can you hold the fact that a coach recruited and developed and reaped the benefits of 3 first round draft picks against him?
 
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Stormrider81

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I'm stating that their only real offensive prowess at Auburn, which you brought up by the way, was the result of 3 fantastic players. When is the last time we had two RBs and a QB the caliber of those 3 at the same time? Do you see my point now? And for the last time, I'm not blasting Tubberville or callign him a terrible coach. I'm saying his offense traditionally isn't that great at a better program, hence a concern. It's almost like arguing with Coach.
 
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