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Why is our APR so low????

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LadyCaytIL

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according to Matt jones our football APR is way down the line. How is it that low?

We're we not just told flat out by the ncaa for 4 straight years that UNC and other programs can set their own criteria for classes? as long as all students can get the same
Treatment the NCAA doesn't care.
 
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jauk11

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We don't have Basketeweaving III like some of our neighbors?

Marcus Caffey was one of four players rated a 5.7 or higher in the 11 class, (would still have played this year if he didn't go pro early------or dropout), the others being two instate OL and four star Faulkner-----and the coaches raved about him, thought he was the best player on the team, after he took a year to redshirt to convert to DB. He was rated higher as a RB than Clemons, that injuries killed.

I GUARANTEE you he would have had no problem with SIX mj offenses OR passing Basketweaving III if he had gone to Transfer U, or even Thug U.
 
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trueblujr

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I have to think it's partially due to the amount of attrition during the Joker to Stoops transition period. I hope it's on the uptick, but fear it might not be if we lose too many more guys this year.
 
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WildCard

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trueblujr2 said:
I have to think it's partially due to the amount of attrition during the Joker to Stoops transition period. I hope it's on the uptick, but fear it might not be if we lose too many more guys this year.
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Almost certainly so. If guys leave for any reason and are not in "good academic standing" (grades and progress) it affects your APR. Former coach Steve Kragthorpe's parting gift to UofL was 2 or 3 APR driven scholarship losses for his successor.

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Kats23

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Low APR, no wins, no bowls.
That's what 3 million gets you.
Stoops Dupes
 
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Mountain air

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mrschwump said:
True.
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Not ture just not ture at all. I live in the land of UT and I can tell you when Jones took over they were in jeopardy of being penalized because of their APR. Since Jones arrived their APR has skyrocketed going from a whopping 909 in 2011-12 to 972 for 2013-14.

Bottom line is the coach is responsible to ensure the players are getting it done in the class room just like on the field. Clearly Stoops isn't seeing to it that they get it done in either place.

Don't blame attrition due to the coaching change UT had had as much as us if not more.
 
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Mountain air

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Mountain air said:
Not ture just not ture at all. I live in the land of UT and I can tell you when Jones took over they were in jeopardy of being penalized because of their APR. Since Jones arrived their APR has skyrocketed going from a whopping 909 in 2011-12 to 972 for 2013-14.

Bottom line is the coach is responsible to ensure the players are getting it done in the class room just like on the field. Clearly Stoops isn't seeing to it that they get it done in either place.

Don't blame attrition due to the coaching change UT had had as much as us if not more.
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Sorry I had bad info Stoops did have them get it 2014. It was his first two years. That were not good.
 
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jauk11

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Mountain air said:
Not ture just not ture at all. I live in the land of UT and I can tell you when Jones took over they were in jeopardy of being penalized because of their APR. Since Jones arrived their APR has skyrocketed going from a whopping 909 in 2011-12 to 972 for 2013-14.

Bottom line is the coach is responsible to ensure the players are getting it done in the class room just like on the field. Clearly Stoops isn't seeing to it that they get it done in either place.

Don't blame attrition due to the coaching change UT had had as much as us if not more.
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Hey, weren't you a big fan of Phillips, I know there hasn't been much to report on there but he is likely our #2 QB next year (at worst, or best), so do you have any info on how he is doing? Personally I thought he showed a lot of promise, maybe a better fit for the type of offense we SHOULD be running. I know Matt Smith is having a great season at San Diego State, 165 passes in a row without an interception, and he was trashed a lot by our experts. They are 8-0 in the MWC, but he was injured in the last game, hope he makes it back fine. I think we need a QB that can just keep the ball away from the opposition and manage our offense for a while, we should have a great OL soon if plans go right and a good running game.

Attrition does have a lot of effect on the APR in a lot of cases, and players not playing and transferring may take a break, just their leaving early, not graduating, does hurt the APR. Cal and the bb program does a great job with that though.
 
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VikingsCat

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You have to take into consideration all the attrition during Stoops first 2 years, and with the way APR is calculated, you can argue that the first true Stoops APR year will be the 2018-19 season.

Here are our historical APR for football:

2004 - 2005 940
2005 - 2006 946
2006 - 2007 943
2007 - 2008 948
2008 - 2009 951
2009 - 2010 948
2010 - 2011 951
2011 - 2012 943
2012 - 2013 937
2013 - 2014 945
 
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Lonesome Hippopotamus

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VikingsCat said:
You have to take into consideration all the attrition during Stoops first 2 years, and with the way APR is calculated, you can argue that the first true Stoops APR year will be the 2018-19 season.

Here are our historical APR for football:

2004 - 2005 940
2005 - 2006 946
2006 - 2007 943
2007 - 2008 948
2008 - 2009 951
2009 - 2010 948
2010 - 2011 951
2011 - 2012 943
2012 - 2013 937
2013 - 2014 945
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I can't really notice a terrible change. I guess I am just a dolt.
 
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kyhusker2

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So if a player transfers or leaves but is in good academic standing, then it doesn't count against the APR? I don't think it's JUST attrition. I'm thinking the basketball team has a high APR (could be wrong about that), and they have a ton of attrition.
 
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PushupMan

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kyhusker2 said:
So if a player transfers or leaves but is in good academic standing, then it doesn't count against the APR? I don't think it's JUST attrition. I'm thinking the basketball team has a high APR (could be wrong about that), and they have a ton of attrition.
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The way this works for the majority of scholarship athletes is that each player on the team is responsible for 4 "units": 2 for the fall semester and 2 for the spring. Two units are for academic progress and the other two are for retention in the program (or graduation).

-if a player is on scholarship for the fall semester and flunks out, then quits (or transfers to another school), he contributes 0 out of 2 to the program's APR score for that semester.
-If the player flunks out but remains in the program for the next semester (hopefully to get back on track), he contributes 1 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.
-If the player achieves the required academic progress but then transfers out without graduating, he contributes 1 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.
-And of course, if the player both achieves and stays in the program for the next semester (or graduates), he contributes 2 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.

In the case of the one and dones on the basketball team, they typically contribute 2 out of 2 for the first semester and then 0 out of 0 for the next one. This is because the school asks the NCAA for a waiver and provides documentation that the player applied for the NBA draft.
 
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kyhusker2

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PushupMan said:
The way this works for the majority of scholarship athletes is that each player on the team is responsible for 4 "units": 2 for the fall semester and 2 for the spring. Two units are for academic progress and the other two are for retention in the program (or graduation).

-if a player is on scholarship for the fall semester and flunks out, then quits (or transfers to another school), he contributes 0 out of 2 to the program's APR score for that semester.
-If the player flunks out but remains in the program for the next semester (hopefully to get back on track), he contributes 1 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.
-If the player achieves the required academic progress but then transfers out without graduating, he contributes 1 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.
-And of course, if the player both achieves and stays in the program for the next semester (or graduates), he contributes 2 out of 2 to the APR score for that semester.

In the case of the one and dones on the basketball team, they typically contribute 2 out of 2 for the first semester and then 0 out of 0 for the next one. This is because the school asks the NCAA for a waiver and provides documentation that the player applied for the NBA draft.
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Thanks.
 
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PushupMan

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kyhusker2 said:
Thanks.
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You're welcome!

For a football team with 85 scholarship players, a score of 945 translates to losing 19 out of 340 of units in one school year - so you can see that you don't have to have very many 0/2's or 1/2's in any given school year to end up with a score as low as 945.
 
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ulismyman

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I have an opinion on this but i get crucified for breathing so i will refrain
 
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kyhusker2 said:
Thanks.
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Husker, FWIW, PushupMan is the "recognized expert" on the Cardinal board regarding roster questions and the APR. I don't even try to understand it, I totally trust his comments and insight on these issues. :cool:

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