Why the "keep Stands to keep the recruits" line of thinking is BS

[Coach34]

1. Who says they would automatically transfer? They might actually like the new guy more than The Recruiter. Calipari kept Kentucky's recruits and then added a couple more

2. Why let him ruin another group of recruits with no discipline, no strength program, and sub-par coaching?

3. So after we underachieve next season and we have to fire him- we will lose Sidney, Bost, and the juco guy...and what would keep the Freshmen from transferring then? Leaving our new coach with a gaping hole to start out in- what would make that any better?

4. It's been the same thing over and over and over- why would next season be any different if we keep him?

 

[Coach34]

1. Who says they would automatically transfer? They might actually like the new guy more than The Recruiter. Calipari kept Kentucky's recruits and then added a couple more

2. Why let him ruin another group of recruits with no discipline, no strength program, and sub-par coaching?

3. So after we underachieve next season and we have to fire him- we will lose Sidney, Bost, and the juco guy...and what would keep the Freshmen from transferring then? Leaving our new coach with a gaping hole to start out in- what would make that any better?

4. It's been the same thing over and over and over- why would next season be any different if we keep him?

 

[bulliegolfer]

about keeping him for that reason was a joke. If they all transfer, so be it. I want that sob gone.

 

[Todd4State]

And actually, I think Stans failed somewhat by not getting Tyler Adams and Johnny O'Bryant.

 

[lawdawg02]

We won't be getting a new coach with anywhere near the rep cal had when he was hired by UK.

That said, I'm tired of this bs. We can have a better basketball program than this crap that we have to watch. Our progam is a joke right now, all the way around. Bost and Sidney will have to come back after we go 1 or 2 and done in the SECT and miss the NIT, unless they want to join swat in Italy. Making a good hire should keep the recruits. If not, we'll still add moultrie, since he can't afford to sit another year to go elsewhere. The time is now.

PACK YOUR BAGS BURY!!

 

[dawgged]

I'm sure you will interpret this as some kind of a slam, but it isn't. Just a simple question to satisfy my curiosity. Try to be truthful, if you can.

 

[Coach34]

I'm sure you will interpret this as some kind of a slam, but it isn't. Just a simple question to satisfy my curiosity. Try to be truthful, if you can.

a.Wtf does that comment mean? I dont 17'ing get on here and lie

b. what does it matterhow many games I've been to?

 

[hatfieldms]

It is loud and clear on tv. Watching this circus on tv doesn't give me any desire to get in the car and 5 hours round trip to see this garbage

 

[onewoof]

such a great coach. he just doesn't have any players or support from his fans or the program.<div>
</div><div>5 and 4 mother17'er</div>

 

[mstateglfr]

With all top 75 recruits.

But he failed somewhat because he didn't get a couple specific guys?
Damn. Stans ticks me off and all, but he didn't fail in recruiting this season. We will lack in the paint, yes, but spring will bring some random judo post player or another Lewis type guy.

 

[Coach34]

Cal lost his entire starting line-up from last season. And is undefeated at home and a shoo-in for the NCAA Tourney

What happened in 2006 when we lost our entire starting line-up?

 

[clydefrazier]

And do you actually think any of them are sitting at home watching four guys stand still for an entire game and thinking I cant wait to run that offense.

We have about a million to offer, three solid recruits and and a nice big guy in the UTEP transfer. Surely there is a group of good coaches who would like that.

 

[Original48]

3. So after we underachieve next season and we have to fire him- we will lose Sidney, Bost, and the juco guy...and what would keep the Freshmen from transferring then? Leaving our new coach with a gaping hole to start out in- what would make that any better?

This is the scary part for me. I really would like to see what a basketball teacher could do with these guys next year. Otherwise, there is a real possibility we are this year's LSU and Auburn in 2012.

 

[goodknight]

Do not kid yourselves into thinking we can go out and hire anyone we want that will stay if they achieve a level of success at MSU.I'm disppointed in this year and some of the stuff that has occurred but I'm not ready to dump this staff. I remember the Bob Boyd, Jim Hatfiled, Kermit Davis, Ron Green years and what we have is much btter than that. Williams did take us to the final four but his years were a big roller coaster up then down then up etc.Just like to know who you think we can get and KEEP!

 

[Original48]

We now have that problem in football...and it's a good problem. Are you telling me you're scared to hire a basketball coach who might have success at Mississippi State for fear that he might leave? Guess what...he WILL leave. Mullen WILL leave at some point. Should we hope Mullen goes 6-6 every year so he'll stay?? I don't understand your thinking. This staff is terrible. Our coach can't coach. I'm not a big Steve Lavin fan but even he recognized his limitations, sucked it up and hired Gene Keady to sit on the bench with him. Why does our coach need no help? It's glaring that he does on ALL fronts.

Edited to add...When Mullen does leave we have options...Hud...Diaz...current assistants...other up and coming coaches who see you can win here. What kind of future are we set up for in basketball when Stansbury continues his coaching philosophy and hires coaches who discipline/coach worse than he does?

 

[Coach34]

Do not kid yourselves into thinking we can go out and hire anyone we want that will stay if they achieve a level of success at MSU.I'm disppointed in this year and some of the stuff that has occurred but I'm not ready to dump this staff. I remember the Bob Boyd, Jim Hatfiled, Kermit Davis, Ron Green years and what we have is much btter than that. Williams did take us to the final four but his years were a big roller coaster up then down then up etc.Just like to know who you think we can get and KEEP!

did you sleep through that year?

Not hiring someone else because we are scared they will have successand leave has to the be dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[8dog]

And second, any hire is a wild card, but how do we get worse than not being good enough to be selected for the tourney?

 

[TBonewannabe]

I just like the way Coach K runs his program. You never hear about discipline problems with his program. Stans has multiple discipline issues every year. If we don't win at least don't embarrass the university and right now we are failing at both. Not only in the problems we have but how they are handled and disciplined. We are the laughing stock of the college basketball world.

 

[goatherder]

Why don't we just start a fund to buy the 17er's contract out.
Please add what you are willing to contribute in posts below. You first coach.

 

[FlabLoser]

2. Why let him ruin another group of recruits with no discipline, no strength program, and sub-par coaching?

4. It's been the same thing over and over and over- why would next season be any different if we keep him?

We've seen what we are with good recruiting and poor coaching.

We've also seen from other teams that lesser recruiting (not that we have to give up recruiting) and superior coaching is better than what we have now.

This is really a no-brainer. We need to upgrade our coaching. Even if it costs us some recruiting (although I'm unconvinced we'll give up anything in recruiting).

 

[Todd4State]

mstateglfr]With all top 75 recruits.

But he failed somewhat because he didn't get a couple specific guys?
Damn. Stans ticks me off and all, but he didn't fail in recruiting this season. We will lack in the paint, yes, but spring will bring some random judo post player or another Lewis type guy.

And he is bringing in a good class. That's why I said it was "somewhat" of a failure rather than an "epic" failure. But we failed to meet our needs. O'Bryant is a McDonald's AA. I'd rather have that than a Wendell Lewis or a random JUCO player. Also, Adams was an even bigger fail because he came from a MSU family. Sure, I understand that Georgetown is a great place to play basketball and is a great school, but it still really hurts- especially since Kirby stole him from us.

 

[Dawgbreeze]

probably not many other people on here would either. In fact, Coach and his enterouge would go into a deep depression if they didn't have something to ***** about or to be negative about. The fact remains, we blew the game last night. It was nothing different than some of the things we have done all year but if we get our signing class in and don't excel next year, then that will be a time to talk about Stans leaving or being gone. You and I know it isn't going to happen this year and they can ***** and moan all they want to because as you said, they won'[t put up the dough and most of the money people see a coach who has given us success more than not and are not going to make a decision based on pure emotion. I am as disappointed as anybody but I saw a much better tem the first 33 minutes of the game last night than I had seen all year. It was a cluster17 for the last 7 minutes but all of that wasn't the coaches fault.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It was a cluster17 for the last 7 minutes but all of that wasn't the coaches fault.

You sure are sticking to those guns. Nothing on Stansbury and all on the players. Please.

 

[dawgged]

Twenty percent of the people give eighty percent of the money, yet most almost all of the complaining is done by the ones who give the least. I know this from serving as a church treasurer for many years in two different churches. So I figure since complaining is just about all you ever do, you probably give very little to the program, either in terms of your attendance or in terms of financial contributions.

Of course, it would be easy for you to say "oh yeah, I attend all the games" and there would be no way to verify that statement. Hence, my encouragement for you to try to be truthful with your reply.

It matters because true fans support their team regardless of the situation. I was very pissed off last night by what happened and disgusted that the coach couldn't stem the tide. But I will be in the Hump next Saturday and the following Wednesday and for the South Carolina game as well, because I attend all the games. I am a true fan. And I live two hours away from Starkpatch. So there you go.

 

[bluelightstar]

That does not make you a "true fan"

 

[goindhoo]

the schedule, lifestyle, and ability make every game....I am sure everyone on here would love to make every game but it just aint possible.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

He was hired to recruit and basically his first bit of business was to get Adams to Georgetown, and Kirby delivered. What could Stanshave done differently to try to keep Adams heres? Absofreakinglutely nothing, that's what! O'Bryant got McDonald's AA but why Rodney Hood wasn't chosen is beyond me. O'Bryant went where his buddies are and will be a force to be reconed with in a year or two. Would Stans have liked to have either of those 2? You damn right he wanted one if not both of them, but we landed a much needed true point guard and 2 quality true small forwards. We can't get em all but we did get 3 outstanding players and I'm sure he'll probably land another player or 2 before it's all said and done.

 

[Coach34]

last rankings I saw a week or so ago had:

UPig- 5th
State- 14th
Bama- 17th

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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[drt7891]

Stans has lost COMPLETE control of this team! I'll go back to a previous comment where we are probably leading the nation in number of games players have been suspended. 4 players suspended for a total of 26 total games. That almost amounts to a complete season!!!! Not only that, our big man comes in December after serving a complete year and a half suspension (we all remember that) to turn around and get in a fight with another player in practice! THEN, get in a fight on national tv! To add to that, we have players who turn around and tweet about other players and the coach. Sidney SHOULD have been suspended again for that whole mess after Bama, but how does a coach justify suspending a player 3 times in 2 months and keep him on the team? And this is just off the court drama...<div>
</div><div>If we were just having trouble finding our rhythm on the court, but still playing hard and fighting hard, that is one thing, but you can't convince me this is just a "mediocre" year we are having. Looking at just wins and losses, yes, we are having a "mediocre" year, but this goes much deeper than that...</div>