How ****** of a situation he walked into? He was given some of the best football facilities IN THE NATION, TO WORK WITH. Joker would've recruited way better had he had these resources. Leach, brohm, and Petrino would've recruited way better than joker did based on the sole fact we now have some of the top facilities in the nation. You give all the credit to stoops for his recruiting. Acting as if we haven't spent tons of money on facility upgrades to help improve recruiting regardless of coach. Jeez you know jack. Obviously stoops wouldn't be that good of a recruiter at all at this university had he had the same resources as joker. You choose to ignore those facts. Which is why you're labelled a stoops apologist.
Wildcat offense under Gran, Hinshaw is going to get intense
- Thread starter wildcatman26
- Start date
Wooooooo!!! Slow down a little...Yes BP is a scumbag, but you can see why TJ hired him back to Otis and Leach had ten straight winning seasons at TT before the little baby and his daddy blew up...Sure looks like he has it going on now at WSU and you have no idea how either of them would recruit at KENTUCKY although I would bet that no sec team could take BP after Arky fiasco? If Stoops dosen't make it I would love to see ML get a shot with how he has won at places I don't think are as good as UK..
Not a snark king but if you are going to throw comments and insults around you will probably need thicker skin on here. Nobody called you any bad names, but don't expect a pillow fight when you are making things up that are not true. You stated your opinion and info on Korem which I showed was incorrect and now you are throwing a tantrum like a kid at Toys R Us. You wanted me to be snarky so I am just making sure to live up to your comments.
If you look at what I have written about the S&C program and info it is founded in facts and information that I can back up, and I even put a post on here a week or so ago with details backing up my claims.
I did not say Avery would have done better going to another trainer - would love to see where I said that previously so please show me where I did. He has been in the NFL two years so he trained for one under EK, and his draft status prior to the draft was as a mid 5th round pick - he ended up going in the 5th round #11. How "as you stated it" did his work propel him up the draft boards? He had two back to back 100+ tackle seasons in the SEC and despite that NFL draft analysts stated his weakness was his size and strength.
As far as Korem he is essentially done at UK. He might stay through the length of his contract but strong money says once he gets his PhD he is gone. Not interested so much in the college S&C aspect of the biz as much as writing articles and getting paid as a consultant and staying in the bio energetic side and speed training aspect. If you think I am making this up see if what I have written/stated does not play out as I have stated. There is more to it but it is not for public consumption, but it think you will find my info is fairly accurate. Be more than happy to answer any S&C questions in general and even write you up a program for the new year!
And you don't think that Stoops was a driving force behind us getting those facilities? You think his recruiting is so heavily hinged on the facilities and not the fact that the Stoops name is nationally recognized, and he has some of the best recruiters in america on his staff? You continually cry over and over about how bad mean ol stoops sucks, which is why you're labeled an idiot.
Not a snark king but if you are going to throw comments and insults around you will probably need thicker skin on here. Nobody called you any bad names, but don't expect a pillow fight when you are making things up that are not true. You stated your opinion and info on Korem which I showed was incorrect and now you are throwing a tantrum like a kid at Toys R Us. You wanted me to be snarky so I am just making sure to live up to your comments.
If you look at what I have written about the S&C program and info it is founded in facts and information that I can back up, and I even put a post on here a week or so ago with details backing up my claims.
I did not say Avery would have done better going to another trainer - would love to see where I said that previously so please show me where I did. He has been in the NFL two years so he trained for one under EK, and his draft status prior to the draft was as a mid 5th round pick - he ended up going in the 5th round #11. How "as you stated it" did his work propel him up the draft boards? He had two back to back 100+ tackle seasons in the SEC and despite that NFL draft analysts stated his weakness was his size and strength.
As far as Korem he is essentially done at UK. He might stay through the length of his contract but strong money says once he gets his PhD he is gone. Not interested so much in the college S&C aspect of the biz as much as writing articles and getting paid as a consultant and staying in the bio energetic side and speed training aspect. If you think I am making this up see if what I have written/stated does not play out as I have stated. There is more to it but it is not for public consumption, but it think you will find my info is fairly accurate. Be more than happy to answer any S&C questions in general and even write you up a program for the new year!
You need a lesson in what is fact and what is opinion. You have conflated the two, but that seems typical for you. Whatever you wrote after your first paragraph might be good reading for some other poster, but not me. Preach to someone else.
I will take you up on the S&C program for the new year:boxing::boxing::boxing:[banana][banana]Not a snark king but if you are going to throw comments and insults around you will probably need thicker skin on here. Nobody called you any bad names, but don't expect a pillow fight when you are making things up that are not true. You stated your opinion and info on Korem which I showed was incorrect and now you are throwing a tantrum like a kid at Toys R Us. You wanted me to be snarky so I am just making sure to live up to your comments.
If you look at what I have written about the S&C program and info it is founded in facts and information that I can back up, and I even put a post on here a week or so ago with details backing up my claims.
I did not say Avery would have done better going to another trainer - would love to see where I said that previously so please show me where I did. He has been in the NFL two years so he trained for one under EK, and his draft status prior to the draft was as a mid 5th round pick - he ended up going in the 5th round #11. How "as you stated it" did his work propel him up the draft boards? He had two back to back 100+ tackle seasons in the SEC and despite that NFL draft analysts stated his weakness was his size and strength.
As far as Korem he is essentially done at UK. He might stay through the length of his contract but strong money says once he gets his PhD he is gone. Not interested so much in the college S&C aspect of the biz as much as writing articles and getting paid as a consultant and staying in the bio energetic side and speed training aspect. If you think I am making this up see if what I have written/stated does not play out as I have stated. There is more to it but it is not for public consumption, but it think you will find my info is fairly accurate. Be more than happy to answer any S&C questions in general and even write you up a program for the new year!
The stoops name helps him get recruits? We were getting these upgrades with or without stoops. We wouldn't have invested as much money as we did if we didn't think it was going to help recruiting immensely. You're quite dumb if you don't think those other coaches would've recruited better than joker having the same resouces stoops has here. It would seriously be impossible for recruiting to not improve given the resources we have now. As I said. If stoops had the same resources joker had, his recruiting success wouldn't be close to what is now. That's a promise. Choose to believe it or not. But the upgrades really did help recruiting. None of these top recruits would be choosing us over top schools WITHOUT the upgrades we've invested in. Just plain dumb to think otherwise. You really think stoops would be getting all these recruits and having the same success he's having had he had jokers resources? You really believe that? And you truly believe those other coaches would've recruited at the same level as joker with the resources we have now? Seriously man? You're not going to win this one.
I'm labelled an idiot? That's news to me. Only people who call me an idiot are those who have unrealistic hopes with stoops and the large group of stoops apologist. Bad mean ol stoops? He can't coach. Idc how good our recruiting is, he is clueless when the lights turn on. Which is why I think he sucks. I've never seen such bad in game coaching as I did this previous season. It was horrible man. Talent isn't going to make stoops a more knowledgeable coach, talent is going to fix his coaching blunders, only he himself can fix his ineptitude during games, only he himself can fix his disorganization issues. Which is a big mountain to climb considering how bad his in game coaching was, and the fact we never adjusted during games. The fact our players were often not well prepared and very disorganized during games. That's not a talent issue. That's the mark of a bad coach (no pun intended). Muschamp was a horrible coach, talent didn't fix his bad coaching. So why think talent will fix stoops bad coaching? You need talent AND good coaching. Not just one or the other. You need both to succeed.
Let's get something straight real fast, Stoops is a FANTASTIC x's and o's defensive coach. He's not a bad coach, not even close. His MANAGEMENT is on the weak side right now. That can be fixed, as its the mark (no pun intended) of a first time head coach. He will get better, he's never shown the inability to change his entire coaching career. I also think that a good part of the disorganization was him being heavy handed with the offense and defense both, because I don't think he had confidence in either coordinator. With Gran here, I think he will leave them to the offense and focus his effort on defense, and general game management.
Quit being so pissy about your being wrong. Every time you bring a point up I answer it correctly and you try to change the subject. You talk about snarky but go back and look at my initial post and your responses to anyone who questions anything you say. Out the gate you were mad because someone did not give Korem a big hug like you wanted. You even stated yourself in your own words "that some did well but many did not." Is that what you expect out of a coach who is making $200k+?
You tell people they have knee jerk responses, act "snarky" if anyone brings up a counter to your position, got mad because you did not get an answer to "Williams" who is actually Williamson, did not know Korem was not being renewed.... Maybe Korem took too much credit for what Viloria was doing and when he was given the keys to the car at UK he lasted how long before being told he was not needed. I think that is the most telling statement - brought in by his DC at FSU and same coach saw enough or did not actually see enough to want him running the S&C program. When he is gone and everything comes out maybe then you will understand it better.
Being a good coordinator in no way shape or form translates to being a good head coach. In some instances they succeed. And in many instances they fail. My bad i should been more specific when I said that. I'll rephrase it for you. This far, he's proven to be a horrible head coach. And if he, a defensive coach, was truly involved with the offensive side of the ball. Then that is furthermore proof of a bad head coach, along with the fact he hired an OC he has no confidence in to begin with. 2 things that good coaches don't do, fire coaches they don't have confidence in, and getting involved on the side of the ball that you have no experience in. That's like an offensive coach trying to be involved in the defense, it just doesn't work. Even more so for a defensive coach trying to be involved on the offensive side, the offensive side is way more complicated as far as X's and O's go than defense.
His in game coaching and his lack of adjustments is something I've seen zero improvement in since day 1. Now all of a sudden we should expect him to improve leaps and bounds as far as that aspect of the game goes? I sure as hell don't, if he hasn't gotten better at it at all after 3 years of experience why should we expect him to ever get better at it? I don't get it. Some coaches don't know how to be a head coach, he appears to be one of those kind of coaches. Some people aren't cut out for it. And judging by his game mismanagement that many fans would probably do a better job at than he does as far as certain decisions go, he seems to be one of those who aren't cut out for it. He micromanages the games, even on the offensive side. He has no business being involved on the offensive side. All that does is lead to conservative and predictable play calling. He's been the most predictable coach I've ever seen, everyone knows what we're doing right before we do it. He doesn't know what misdirection is and calling plays that confuse a defense is just not in his philosophy. If we're in a situation where it's a running down, we run the ball, if it's a situation that's a passing down, we pass the ball. We never do anything out of the ordinary in order to catch defenses off guard. It's like he expects us to be like the old Ravens teams. Play zero offense, protect the ball and hope to score 6 points thru out the game and let the defense win it for us by posting a shutout.
That's what it seems stoops expects. Conservative conservative and more conservative.
He refuses to play an aggressive style of football. He has that play not to lose mentality that hardly ever wins games unless you're bama. When we gain a lead. It's 3 straight runs so we don't turn it over, then a punt, then prey the defense makes stop after stop. It's a style that's pretty much the recipe for failure. Whenever we gain a lead, we get away from what got us the lead every single time and then go into a conservation mode on offense praying the clock dwindles. When we should be playing to win by attacking the defense, putting pressure on them and hoping to increase the lead by doing what got you the lead to begin with. I just don't see that play not to lose conservative style ever winning at a place like Kentucky. We have to put up points to win. We can't go conservative every time we gain a lead and pray we run the clock out. It just won't work here. And that's his style that I don't ever see changing.
If you think I attacked you, you are the pissy thinned-skinned poster here. If you did not realize that when I was speaking about the combine and Korem and mentioned Dupree and "Williams" I was taking about Williamson, you might not know our former players. You want to rain snark on people who did nothing to you? Fine. Just have those "discussions" with someone else. Regardless of your "inside" approach, you do not bring enough to this forum for me to endure the tripe. Peace. Move along to someone who cares. Thanks.
By the way, Korem has a contract. Renewal is not an issue. He is employed. When his contract is up for renewal, he will be renewed or will not.
So Mr. Catfan are you saying
... that you know that all UL fans love to make fun of Joker's gimmick? (Surely it's not this as it would be nearly impossible for anyone to know how every UL fan feels on the matter)
Or is it you know some or know of some UL fans and it's your experience these love making fun of Joker's truck? (You know some UL fans and the ones you know like doing it)
Or is it if someone makes fun of Joker's ice cream truck they must be UL fans? (Only UL fans make fun of Joker's ICT, so since I did, by your definition I must be a UL fan)
Or is it something else entirely?
The way you wrote (or maybe the way I've read) it I was a little unsure and I'd appreciate it you could clarify as I'd like to be clear.
i really don't want to misunderstand your comment.
I think what these two coaches are going to try and install in the young men is a word few people really want to hear....accountability.
Rather than choose, on message boards, I have witnessed UL fans return to the subject repeatedly as a way to demean UK. They seem to like this subject. I realize many UK fans do not frequent those boards, so some may not be familiar.
Not a snark king but if you are going to throw comments and insults around you will probably need thicker skin on here. Nobody called you any bad names, but don't expect a pillow fight when you are making things up that are not true. You stated your opinion and info on Korem which I showed was incorrect and now you are throwing a tantrum like a kid at Toys R Us. You wanted me to be snarky so I am just making sure to live up to your comments.
If you look at what I have written about the S&C program and info it is founded in facts and information that I can back up, and I even put a post on here a week or so ago with details backing up my claims.
I did not say Avery would have done better going to another trainer - would love to see where I said that previously so please show me where I did. He has been in the NFL two years so he trained for one under EK, and his draft status prior to the draft was as a mid 5th round pick - he ended up going in the 5th round #11. How "as you stated it" did his work propel him up the draft boards? He had two back to back 100+ tackle seasons in the SEC and despite that NFL draft analysts stated his weakness was his size and strength.
As far as Korem he is essentially done at UK. He might stay through the length of his contract but strong money says once he gets his PhD he is gone. Not interested so much in the college S&C aspect of the biz as much as writing articles and getting paid as a consultant and staying in the bio energetic side and speed training aspect. If you think I am making this up see if what I have written/stated does not play out as I have stated. There is more to it but it is not for public consumption, but it think you will find my info is fairly accurate. Be more than happy to answer any S&C questions in general and even write you up a program for the new year!
Kendall what can you tell us about the new S&C coach from Indiana and how did all of that come about? How will he mesh with our current guy, Edmonds? Thanks. Indiana players sure looked fit from what I saw of them this year.
What facilities are you referring to? The stadium and Nutter? The indoor facility isn't complete yet. Seen quite a few training facilities for some big time schools and we had some catching up to do.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
- George Carlin
- George Carlin
Kendall, are there going to be parts of the Korem-designed training facility that won't get used because of his loss of importance in the program?
I personally do not know him, but I have talked to some folks who speak very highly of him. Same thing with Cory who was handling a lot of the S&C responsibilities later in the year. Inside the program the kids who trained and worked with Cory were improving at a much faster rate than those working with Korem. This raised some eyebrows since Korem was the supposed "guru" yet the kids he worked with were not making the gains expected.
I have been very fortunate to train with those who are considered the best in this field - guys who bench 700+, squat over 1000, deadlift in the 700-800lb range - and not only are they strong but they are thought of as the best coaches in the world. Guys who go to the combine go to these guys for advice, college and NFL teams go to them for help and advice. Those guys look at people who call themselves gurus and high performance coaches and know that respect is earned - not by telling everyone you are a guru or the best. Right now many in the S&C community are thinking "if this guy was as good as he says he is why are they not getting results there?"
S&C is a hard area because of the fact you are working with 100+ guys, and some have a solid base and others have never been in a decent S&C program. There is a saying in this business - looks over books. When HS kids get to a college S&C program they don't ask the S&C coach what he studied in college - they look at the guy and say can this guy walk the talk? Can he get in the weight room and bang with the guys or if he is older did he used to bang with them. Not many people take advice from a pudgy trainer or go to a dentist who has bad teeth.
Thanks for the note, and those areas will be built and I have already seen them - they look great and they are HUGE! Need to make sure there are a few life vests in the cold tub because it is deep. While the training and other parts of Korem's S&C program have not worked out nearly as planned the recovery ideas like the cold tub and sensory deprivation tanks are huge for players - they can help out in a major way in regards to recovery and stress reducton. Also, having everything in one area helps to reduce the time players spend on their feet each day which over time helps.
I don't think that he has done a horrible job, but I think that many don't feel he is doing or did what they expected from him. His resume was average with a strong background in speed training and studying energy systems, but he was in charge of a part of the program at FSU while Vic ran the program. Did FSU collapse when he left? Did we get better or do we look the same and wonder why we are getting manhandled by EKU and ULL and Miss State and Tennessee? Do the players respect him and work hard for him? Does he walk the talk or do guys feel like lab experiments who have not gotten better.
Has IGUODOLLA completed a single frickin' sentence without using the words "Stoops apologists"?
He doesn't understand that, or anything else that requires basic comprehension skills. The guy showed up the day after the Louisville loss and has been nagging and nagging non-stop. No point in giving him material to nag about any further.
He doesn't understand that, or anything else that requires basic comprehension skills. The guy showed up the day after the Louisville loss and has been nagging and nagging non-stop. No point in giving him material to nag about any further.
Did not say you attacked me, but every one of your posts you make stuff up or have incorrect info - this would go a lot better if you tried facts and just a small amount of the truth. You said Williams in your rebuttal, and I along with the otter posters was supposed to know that was Avery how? Williams could be Gary Williams, Boom Williams, Ted William... Funny thing is according to you it is our fault we cannot figure out who you meant when you made a mistake.
If you don't want me to respond to you maybe you could just not respond so you don't have to "endure" my responses.:weary:
Lol was here before the UL game nice try tho. And yes we have had many improvements under construction either in the works or done at this point. Did you see the recruiting room joker was working with? And do you see the recruiting room stoops is working with? To act as if that has not helped our recruiting in any way is a very stoops apologist thing to say.
Im not a Stoops apologist. Give that garbage a rest. I am realistic in the fact that we aren't getting a proven coach to come here. It's not happening unless it's someone like Brooks on their last ride. Or a piece of human scum like Petrino, who our administration isn't giving the time of day.
Yes you are in fact a stoops apologist. I've seen many excuses from you in regards to stoops. Nothing realistic by assuming success with Kentucky football, nothing realistic at all by it, you're practically guaranteeing stoops has success here. I don't see anything realistic by that. The realist are the ones who realize how inept of an in game coach stoops is. You're not a realist by ignoring stoops ineptitude as a head coach. Therefor a homer not a realist.
Im not a Stoops apologist. Give that garbage a rest. I am realistic in the fact that we aren't getting a proven coach to come here. It's not happening unless it's someone like Brooks on their last ride. Or a piece of human scum
We had some idiotic mistakes this year, and I was cussing Stoops as much as anyone. But be real, we are KENTUCKY FOOTBALL we aren't getting anyone better. And you vastly overstate how much actual in game coaching a head coach does. A head coach is a general program manager. They oversee the entire program. They make in game calls such as to go for it or not on 4th downs. The majority of the actual COACHING is done by the coordinators and position coaches.
You are so full of crap and full of yourself. Sorry if that is redundant.
You say your a fan, but you think Boom entered the draft and Garry played for Stoops. Is this Rock Oliver? You seem butt hurt over Korem.
Last edited:
Stoops brought in a better class his first 2 months on the job than say joker did his entire tenure without any upgrades in facilities
It is called hyperbole. Let me know if you need me to look it up for you - sheesh. Not even close to Rock, and could care less about him - the way he treated people his first go round when he was here under Pitino was classless and that is putting it nicely.
If stating facts about our S&C program makes me butthurt over Korem what would that make you since you defend him at every turn without fail - Mrs Korem? I thought you were moving along yet you keep responding to every post - cannot take a hint or your own advice. I don't see any posters asking you for insight on the S&C program, but please fill us in since you reply to every post in this conversation defending Korem. Tell us why he has been hired over and removed as the person directing our S&C program? prove that you don't know what is going on by saying when the time comes he will be up for renewal or he will not - that decision has already been made my friend. Someone making $270k who is kept on board but demoted should tell you all you need to know. Good attempt on your part though.
A head coach has a lot more responsibility than to go for it on 4th or not. But that is something he completely failed at this season I agree. The head coach is the most important coach. The head coach is in charge of game preparation and making sure the players are focused during the game, they're also responsible for recognizing what has and has not worked in the first half of a game, and to figure out what adjustments need to be done for the 2nd half. An area he failed miserably at. He's in charge of motivating his team and making sure his players stay focused and that's something any HC needs to do thru out an entire game. Many times this season, the players looked like they weren't focused, they looked as if they were complete uninterested in the game. That's a reflection of the head coach.
The coach is responsible for when to kick an fg. I remember a situation in the same game, stoops called a TO to save him 5 yards on a punt, he didn't call a TO to save him 5 yards on a field goal. A field goal that was missed by inches, way less than 5 yards. So according to stoops. It seems as if saving 5 yards of field position is more important than scoring points. It's his call to decide if he wants a pass play or run play in certain situations if he decides not to let the OC make the decision. The Head coach has a lot more responsibilities than deciding to go for it on 4th or not. That's for damn sure. The head coach has more responsibilities during a game than a OC or DC does. Idk if you've ever played big time high school ball or even a higher level of football than that. But if you did. You wouldn't be making such a statement saying all the HC does is oversee things.
To say stoops is the best we could've got is about as dumb of a statement as I've read on this board. Petrino is better, mike leach is definitely a way better HC, both of them are. So to continue to act as if we couldn't have gotten anyone better than stoops, is just real dumb, and if that were to be the case, that stoops is the best we can get. Then why do we even have a football program anymore? Would seem more appropriate to just shut it down if what you're saying is true. Here's the thing, if you decide to pay a coach enough. You can get almost anyone you want if the price is right. And if an AD is serious about his FB program, he's going to push for getting a big money coach. It's a lot less complicated than you think. If you're willing to toss out the dough, then you're going to be able to get damn good coaches. Even at Kentucky.
Lmao you can't just go out and hire anyone. You can offer Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, Freeze, Swinney, etc as much as you want, and their school is going to match or exceed it and they will tell you no. We were never hiring Petrino or Leach, our administration wouldn't allow it.