Wildcat offense under Gran, Hinshaw is going to get intense
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I have a better chance of being the head coach here then Leach does. Our administration will never hire him due to his time with Mummy.
Yes they would have hired leach he's a proven coach who has succeeded everywhere he has went and turned multiple programs into winning programs. You keep acting like our administration would never ever In a million years hire somebody with baggage. Yet John calipari is our head basketball coach. Billy g at one point was also our HC. Like come on now man you keep acting like our administration is above hiring coaches with baggage. Yet the most popular coach in the state. The man who is practically king of Kentucky. Had a reputation of lots and lots of baggage before coming here. Moreso than leach.
You're just crazy to think mike leach would never get a chance here. If we get another chance at a coaching hire here soon and if leach is interested when that time comes, I'd be willing to bet there's a very good chance he comes here. This whole administration has too much pride to hire someone with such baggage, yet the best hire they've ever made. A job saving hire for MB. Had a huge reputation of baggage before coming here. So can you please. Please, please, please. Stop making that very ignorant, incorrect argument. Its just ridiculous and not true, you have no ground to stand on. Please just don't reply. Give it up. Leach is a better coach, and we've hired coaches with equal reputations, and said coach they hired with the baggage has single handily save there jobs.. You really just couldn't see them making a hire like that again even though the last time they made a similar hire it was the best decision they've ever made? History, buddy boy, proves you very wrong when it comes this argument that you're so adamant about sticking with even though the FACTS. Prove you wrong. So please do yourself a favor and give it up.
At least you didn't rebuttle the argument where I said to you the head coach has way more responsibility than you were acting like. Why are you so wrong and so confident when you say these very untrue statements? It's just weird to me. And at the same time refer to yourself as a realist when in fact you're a stoops apologist. Example: when you just pretended like the head coach didn't have that many in game responsibilities and that it was mostly the OC and DCs jobs which in turn you were pretty much putting most of the blame on the assistants that STOOPS HIRED. Why don't they get paid more than the HCs if they're doing all of the work during the games?
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You're spending a whole lot of energy on something I for one hope, & I think overwhelmingly most UK fans hope, doesn't come to pass. Why? You've already decided you want it to happen?
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When it comes down to actual x's and o's coaching, coordinators do FAR more during the game then the head coach. If you think Leach will EVER be hired here, you are a clueless. Did you not notice that washington state was the ONLY power 5 offer leach got? Why do you think it is? Because he has HEAVY baggage. If you think barnhart and the president would hire that man, you have zero idea how our administration operates. And if he's so great, and you want to keep dogging stoops, explain leach's first 3 years at washington state. Please attempt to explain to me why a man who went 3-9, 6-7, and 3-9 again in his first 3 years, in a MUCH weaker conference, is so vastly superior to stoops. The man had one good season at tech and you're acting like he's the ghost of bear bryant or something.
And don't even begin to compare Mike Leach to John Calipari. Cal has had more success in one season then Leach will have his entire career. On top of that, cal's only mark against him were 2 situations he wasn't even implicated in. Leach has allegations of player abuse against him.
And those were proven untrue..I just love these posters who know what our administration would do when it comes to hiring coaches..You have no clue who Mitch would hire and who he wouldn't. Give it a rest.
Pretty sure he was never implicated in that fiasco and you need to go ck his bio ...MS will never amass a record like his and you AND MB are both stupid if you would not give him a shot and knowing an ex UK player who keeps in close contact with him he would take the job...
You must know lots more UK fb fans than me because everybody I talk to would LOVE to have him...please take his two years under HM out of the equation, go ck his bio and record and then tell us why you wouldn't want him at UK...
He's had 2 opportunities to hire Leach, and didn't do so. The only power 5 offer Leach got was washington state. Theres a reason for that. Not to mention Leach had one big season at tech, and thats playing in the garbage big 12. Not to discount his 12-25 record his first 3 years at washington.
I'm still waiting for andre to explain to me why the great and powerful Mike Leach went 12-25 his first 3 seasons at washington state.
OK well I can explain kind sir, I have kept up with Leach because of his UK ties, I try and watch them every chance I get because they'll play the late game usually.
Year 1, he went 3-9. They were a pretty bad team when he took over and you also got to understand that installing that offense takes a culture change of sorts
Year 2, he went to a bowl! Pretty good turnaround at that point, can't argue there!
Year 3, he went 3-9. Pretty bad year, but he did not have his starting QB the month of November and also they played a very tough schedule. They lost to Oregon 31-38 that year when Oregon had Mariota and played in the championship. A lot of missed opportunities against a tough schedule...they did not capitalize.
Year 4, a 9 win season in a power conference at a school that traditionally does not win. A year in which he finally has 4 years of his recruits, his system installed, and his culture installed.
Now I know you cannot play the "What-if" game all day, but if you take out the bad year 3, which most statisticians would/and will probably consider an anomaly in the future, his record is 18-20.
Now, I think Leach would be a great coach at UK, I'm not going to hide my bias, but I will say his trajectory seems similar to the Stoops trajectory.
Year one for Stoops/Leach was rough because he was taking over a bad team that needed to rebuild, year 2 he won some games and brought some enthusiasm to the fanbase, and year 3 was a let down. Will year 4 for Stoops be the same now that he has his recruits/system/culture installed similar to the Leach rebuild? Time will tell! GO BIG BLUE!
Ok so why does stoops get BLASTED, called stupid, inept, and everything but the kitchen sink. Yet with almost the exact 3 year record as leach, in a much stronger conference, while Leach is glorified on here? Stoops has had every disadvantage as Leach in his first 3 years, without the luxury of playing in the pac 12.
Yeah, I agree with that in full force. I think Stoops is going to succeed, it's just Leach has a track record.
He made 10 bowls in 10 seasons at Texas Tech and 5 of those 10 teams ended the season in the final Top 25. Considering Stoops has never even had a winning record as a coach, you can see why people are quick to be skeptical of Stoops.
I'm not angry at Stoops because I understand the talent he inherited was awful. I met an assistant (won't say who because I don't want to put him on blast) at the state title games at WKU after Stoops was hired, and he said they evaluated the talented and they inherited a bunch of guys who had high school level skills because they weren't coached properly and guys that just weren't big enough for Power 5 football.
Going to OT in Florida and SC choking against them last season got the fan base a little too high and raised expectations to a level they should not be at this time.
I have faith, but Leach is a proven winner and you're in denial if you do not recognize that by his track record.
This entire thread while appreciated for the opinions expressed relates to OP taking shots at each other. These are based largely on misinformation, innuendo and frustration over perceived failures to win in the SEC. This results in endless posts about negativity that permeates the lives of posters living on the edge.
Pretty sure everything I have stated has been accurate about this subject. If people are upset about facts not much I can do about it. Some like to get the info, but since it is such a problem I can leave those posts strictly for the HOB board posters. You might not want to believe the info for whatever reason - personal, friends with EK... All I can tell you is the info I have relayed is not only correct but has been verified by several sources on the staff and mods on here. Hate to see anyone not succeed, and he is very lucky that Mitch gave him an extension through 2017 or he would have had the same fate as Anthony.
Yeah, I have seen your propensity to name drop, in addition to your exaggeration. I have no connection to Korem, but I suspect you were, like others, raving about him when he got here. And, how many times did we hear people say the Cats looked like an SEC squad this past spring?
Now, all of a sudden he sucks. I doubt the truth lies there. But then, some confuse opinion with fact consistently on these sites.
And, from a typical term contract matter, not rocket science, contracts are restructured, but never renewed until they are about to expire. If his contract runs until 2017, as reported, he would never be renewed in January 2016.
Now, all of a sudden he sucks. I doubt the truth lies there. But then, some confuse opinion with fact consistently on these sites.
And, from a typical term contract matter, not rocket science, contracts are restructured, but never renewed until they are about to expire. If his contract runs until 2017, as reported, he would never be renewed in January 2016.
Leach doesn't impress me. He didn't even win the soft as butter big 12. Didn't win it once. He had one big season, and still couldn't win the conference. Add to it, his style just doesn't work in the sec. The air raid was solved by sec coordinators after 1 season, and Leach runs the exact same system now that they ran at UK. Add to it, he doesn't value defense at all. He would be a total flop here. I still want andre to explain to me why Leach is so great with his 12-25 record his first 3 seasons at washington state, but stoops is so horrible with a 12-24 record in his first 3 seasons here.
Let me add that it really does not matter to me. This ramped up when Kendall felt the need to beotch slap and then justify his behavior by accusing me of lying. It has been a headshaker for me, but now done with this discussion.
Yeah, I'm sure its not impressive to make 10 bowls in 10 years in a power conference and be ranked at the end of 5 of them at Texas Tech. Competing with Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, & Ok St was so easssyyy I mean the SEC East is way harder than that....Oh and his 1 Big year....yeah that same year he was going against two teams that were fighting for a national championship and one of those teams had the Heismen trophy winner. Look at the recievers he developed..Crabtree, Amendola, Wes Welker..
I can see your argument about style not working, but you cannot deny the man's accomplishments.
Stoops' career record is 12-24 and has never coached a team to a bowl
Leach has a record of 105-72 in 14 seasons, all in power conferences and he's made a bowl in 12 of his 14 seasons.
Those stats alone are why Leach is better. He had a bad first 3 seasons...but he has a track record while Stoops does not have a track record, you can't just pick out 3 bad years and not look at his full career to make your foolish argument look better..
If you cannot see the difference there, then I'm sorry you're just biased. I understand its too early to judge Stoops, but Leach has proven himself in power conference football. You say Leach's style was figured out quickly...yet Stoops was clamoring for that very Air Raid style his first 3 seasons?
Leach has the same record in his first 3 seasons at washington state as stoops does here. What he did at tech doesn't matter. That was then and this is now. He also had the state of texas to recruit. He isn't signing nearly the level of talent that he did at tech. You cant act like leach is the next lombardi, and then turn around and call stoops garbage, when their 3 year record at their respective schools is the same, and Stoops is playing in a much stronger conference.
His first 3 years at WSU? What about his 4th? The division he was in this year was as good as our division. What about verywhere else he has been where he took weak programs and turned them into consistent top 25 teams? How many teams wanted stoops when we hired him??!! Jeez man the points you make are bat poop craazzzyyyyyy. You can put the much weaker conference argument to rest considering the division WSU was in. You can judge him based on his first 3 years at WSU all you want you're just doing that to make it fit your argument. The flaw in it though is he has a lot more of a resume than that 3 years. You forgetting his TTU days? No wrongdoings have been proven regarding leach. Same for calipari. But the smoke is EQUALLY there for both coaches. So if you think you know anything about how this administration works, then think again. Also the only reason you're saying we can't use anything else outside of his first 3 years is because if we do it makes you look dumb. And yes he had the state of Texas to recruit. At a school that was probably like 5th in the pecking order when it came to getting recruits IN HIS OWN STATE. So that's another invalid point.
We can use the whole body of work when discussing leach you may ask why that is? And that is because the entire body of work proves that the man does nothing but win everywhere he goes, stoops has yet to have a winning season or even remotely look like a winning head coach. Just a stupid argument to say we can only judge leach based on his first 3 years at WSU. What a stoops apologist thing to say and you still try to say you're not a stoops apologist just a realist? Then you come with statements like that? Just wow. The reason you're saying that is because if we look at it in the way you want us to then it fits your stupid argument best. And if we don't it proves you're stupid and just looking for a way to make your stoops apologist agenda look halfway intelligent when in fact it's beyond dumb because leach has coached way more than 3 years of football. So yes we can judge him based on his entire body of work. Like anyone would with any coach when evaluating there ability.
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It would be great if you actually discussed the subject matter, but when you are proven wrong you either (A) tell people they snarky or (B) say you are done posting only to come back again and again.
Give me some examples where I was wrong or exaggerated, and if you cannot back it up just slowly retreat back to your insults since your facts are not working well for you. Probably best if you step away from the message board and relax a little since you are getting your jimmies rustled over an S&C coach who did not work out here. You could have built a deck or remodeled a kitchen in the time you have been on here defending Korem.
Defend? You and your hyperbolic posts, false accusations and ridiculous name dropping. Remodeling a kitchen is far more interesting than reading your fiction about me and your regurgitation of what you have read elsewhere. You type so much while offering so little. You should have spent this time trying to get to know a few more successful people who can provide you with "scoop."
So because Stoops doesn't have a record that means that you can only selectively pick out the worst 3 year period in his career and ignore everything else, heck you're ignoring the most recent season. A coach's previous record does matter, Leach has made 2 bowls in his time at WSU and Stoops hasn't even had a winning record.
I'm not a Stoops hater, I support him. I'm just here to tell you that it is a poor argument to say that Leach isn't a good coach and that you cannot compare a 3rd year head coach with a losing record to a coach that has only had 2 losing seasons in 14 years while coaching in 2 of the toughest conference divisions in the country.
And you keep talking about the first 3 years? Well his 4th year he went 9-4..you keep glossing over that fact. Obviously his first 3 years he rebuilt and the 4th year he won 9 games in a tough division. He won in his 4th year and he won at his previous job....those two things correlate to him being a proven WINNER. Stoops has 3 losing seasons and no track record. Once again, you cannot ignore Leach's success just because Stoops hasn't had any..AND IM A STOOPS FAN and I'm not saying Leach would win a SEC title or anything...but proof is in the pudding that he is a winner...the world is round, the sky is blue, and Mike Leach wins football games.
You have to do better than this - this is embarrassing. You said you were not going to post any more in the thread, and then this is what you come back with?? My favorite is the name dropping - would love to hear all of the names I have been dropping. Go back through the posts on this one and let me know who I dropped? You are going to be looking a long time.
As far as kitchen remodeling ideas HGTV has some great shows - Flip or Flop and Fixer Upper are two great ones for ideas. Get to Lowes early tomorrow since it is a holiday and lots of people will be there!
I absolutely can ignore his previous stops. If he was the holy grail like people act like on here, he wouldn't have went 3-9 his first and third season. The first season is understandable, the third, not so much from such a "proven winner." The man couldn't win his own conference, a weak conference at that, with the BEST offensive playmaker in college football. So, i'm not going to sit here and watch a bunch of clueless keyboard quarterbacks that have never played a down of football in their life run their mouths about things they have no understanding of, all while pumping up the most overrated coach in power 5 football. Again, the leach/mumme offense was solved after 1 season at uk. And I don't want a coach who ADMITS that he doesn't give 2 ***** about defense.
Man...you may want to stop you are making yourself look bad with ML and ignoring facts...going to give you a couple and then you need to look at some up yourself and ck out his bio...he has been named national coy three different times..He had qb Graham Harrell and Mike Crabtree finish 4th& 5th in Heisman voting...this year he had a WALKON soph qb throw for 4300 yds w/70% comp...36tds/8ints on a, 9-4 team and beat ucla, Oregon and list to p12 champ Stanford after leading going into 4th qtr...defense his weekness? At TT his def held opp without an off td a dz times with 7 SO...just a little FYI for you and there is plenty more if you care to ck it out...
Mike leach has never won a conference title. Mike leach has only won more then 9 games 1 time, despite playing in the watered down big 12. Mike leach went 3-9 his first and third year at washington state. Mike leach has a record of 21-29 at washington state. Mike leach had washington state fans crying for him to be fired after his third year. Those are facts.
You have zero clue about football. Winning an average of 7 games a year in the big 12 and pac 12 is not impressive. Bo Pelini never won less then 9 and nebraska fired him. Richt received the same treatment at UGA. If you think Leach is the answer, stick to the basketball board.
You need to be looking into a mirror when you talk to someone about being clueless about fb because you wouldn't know what a good coach looked like if he slapped you if the face...again you need to look at ML'S FOURTEEN yr record of being a head coach and even the records his offenses set at OK. as their OC...
No, I don't. What he did in a charmin soft big 12 means nothing about him as a coach now. His first 3 years at washington state were horrible. Theres no arguing against that.
Because I want Stoops to be successful at UK. For you to pine for Leach at this point is saying you want Stoops gone now & Leach to replace him, end of story, no one else to be considered, & to start over with whatever Leach's systems are. That's being one pp UK fan imo. I know of no UK fans that want to do that - haven't heard a one say it - but you probably do know more of us than I do.
Don't forget about their ability to recruit! They are on the go as we speak! We paid them well!
I have not said nor do I want Stoops to fail... And I do not know of anyone that wishes for him to fail... I was just replying to the post that if he is not successful I would like to see Mike Leach as the next coach because this guy was saying we couldn't get anybody better than Mark Stoops... Mike Leach is and has been an excellent coach and for this guy to demain his coaching skills is ridiculous. I hope marks which is highly successful next year and we get to go to a very nice bowl, but at this point in time I don't hold out much hope and I even think he'll get another year after that because of his contract. If and when Mark Stoops is not successful here, and once again I hope he , I would like to see someone like Mike Leach selected because I am of the belief that you must have a strong offensive team to be able to win at Kentucky that and nothing more...#ALLIN
One thing I liked about what they said in their interview was the fact they give their players tough love, they balance praise and criticism, and hold players accountable. That was one thing that we were missing last year and resulted in our stumbling down the stretch. It is much better when the team has leaders on the field who lead by example versus coaches having to monitor and control things. With such a young team and a QB issue there was not much on field leadership except for Melvin, and when he went down we saw what happened. Having a Wesley Woodyard or Randall Cobb type of player is a huge asset both from a skill and leadership standpoint.