I agree that intensity and discipline are needed and can permeate, but it starts with the head man!! Stoops will have to be THE MAN who starts earliest and leaves latest; his assistants will follow his lead!!!
Wildcat offense under Gran, Hinshaw is going to get intense
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Do you have any idea how profitable the Louisville athletic department is? They have plenty of resources to pour into their football program, and they do. As for the head coach arguement, they make general game decisions. To punt or go for it on 4th, to kick a field goal or go for the first down, timeouts, telling the oc to speed up or slow down and play ball control. Regardless, the oc and dc do WAY more in game coaching then the coaching does. They do the offensive and defensive halftime adjustments, unless its a coach like fisher or holgerson that call the plays themselves. Louisvilles talent is equal to ours because of charlie strong, not bobby petrino. Petrino wins with the talent he inherits, and then leaves before he actually has a chance to coach his own recruits. You'll see that in about 2 years yet again, he'll bounce somewhere else, or his coaching will not look nearly as impressive. Outside of 1 class at arkansas, petrinos classes blew. Arkansas has plenty of resources. And when did I ever say anything about usc or florida? Are you really so stupid that you have to make things up? I don't know who this merriman guy is, the only other screenname ive had is dp3207, and I had that back in high school. And yes, I have slaughtered your garbage opinions since the start of this thread, and ill go ahead and show you how **** mike leaches recruiting is, give me 10 minutes.
2002: 48th
2003: 44th
2004: 40th
2005: 37th
2006: 25th
2007: 52nd
2008: 45th
2009: 33rd
2012: 56th
2013: 53rd
2014: 70th
2015: 55th
Mike Leach's average recruiting class ranking is a whopping 47th in the country. That is good for dead last in the sec every single year. Not gonna cut it in the sec.
2003: 44th
2004: 40th
2005: 37th
2006: 25th
2007: 52nd
2008: 45th
2009: 33rd
2012: 56th
2013: 53rd
2014: 70th
2015: 55th
Mike Leach's average recruiting class ranking is a whopping 47th in the country. That is good for dead last in the sec every single year. Not gonna cut it in the sec.
"The optimist's perspective: Leach inherited a team that was largely bereft of Pac-12, or even Mountain West talent. He and his staff have significantly upgraded the talent level, but many of those guys are young. The 2011 class, which should have been this year's bedrock, was a complete bust. 2013 was expected to be another rough year, but WSU unexpectedly made a bowl game, taking eventual SEC champ Auburn to the wire, winning at USC and winning four conference games. The offense put up eye-popping numbers this year despite a rebuilt offensive line.
The pessimist's perspective: Yes, the talent Leach inherited was bad, but he's had almost a full recruiting cycle to bring in his own guys, and we finished with the same record in his third season as we did in his first. This is despite the fact that the AD told us all that 2015 would be the year we really took off. As good as the offense has been, it's had a bad habit of taking a quarter or more to get going, often resulting in a two-score deficit. Then there's the defense, oh that defense. While Leach isn't responsible for how the defense is run, he hires the guy who runs that side of the ball, and his first hire was a Rob Deer-like whiff."
This is from an article on a washington state after leach's third season. http://www.cougcenter.com/2014/12/14/7389633/how-would-you-grade-mike-leachs-era-at-wsu
There are alot of similarities between what they're saying and what andre is spouting. Both inherited teams with next to no talent. Both significantly upgraded their teams talent. Their good 2011 class was a bust, our great 2014 class had a ton of guys that never panned out. Andre likes to spout off that most of the players are stoops recruits, well most of the guys his third year were his recruits. They say Leach isnt responsible for how their defense is run, but he is responsible for who he hires to run that side of the ball. Same with dawson and stoops. Now andre, please tell me you aren't too stupid to see all the correlations here.
The pessimist's perspective: Yes, the talent Leach inherited was bad, but he's had almost a full recruiting cycle to bring in his own guys, and we finished with the same record in his third season as we did in his first. This is despite the fact that the AD told us all that 2015 would be the year we really took off. As good as the offense has been, it's had a bad habit of taking a quarter or more to get going, often resulting in a two-score deficit. Then there's the defense, oh that defense. While Leach isn't responsible for how the defense is run, he hires the guy who runs that side of the ball, and his first hire was a Rob Deer-like whiff."
This is from an article on a washington state after leach's third season. http://www.cougcenter.com/2014/12/14/7389633/how-would-you-grade-mike-leachs-era-at-wsu
There are alot of similarities between what they're saying and what andre is spouting. Both inherited teams with next to no talent. Both significantly upgraded their teams talent. Their good 2011 class was a bust, our great 2014 class had a ton of guys that never panned out. Andre likes to spout off that most of the players are stoops recruits, well most of the guys his third year were his recruits. They say Leach isnt responsible for how their defense is run, but he is responsible for who he hires to run that side of the ball. Same with dawson and stoops. Now andre, please tell me you aren't too stupid to see all the correlations here.
All of his classes blew enough for him to get to a top notch bowl game in his last stint at Louisville. Idc how bad his recruiting his. They're obviously way better coaches. Football games aren't won by the recruiting rankings you dumb POS. all you keep talking about is recruiting. You haven't slaughtered any of my opinions, merriman. No one who calls this years USC team the equivalent to last years Florida team will ever slaughter my opinions you dumb POS. you changed your S/N just so people wouldn't think you're the dumb merriman guy. PATHETIC!
MlNever did I call mike leachs recruiting any good. But go for it man if stoops recruiting makes his teams better than leachs then wtf ever but that's not true. Point is they're both way better coachs that will coach circles around stoops each and every day even with less recruiting, example when Petrino beat UK when he was at WKU! Recruiting rankings don't change a thing. He hasn't produced any results with all this magical recruiting he's done. You're known as the dumb mfer that had faith in joker til he got fired.
You've obviously have never played football at a competitive level if you think the OC and DC have way more in game responsibilities than the HC. I'm tired of hearing you talk about recruiting. All you do is talk about recruiting this recruiting that and use it as a reason to defend stoops garbage coaching ability. Idc how well stoops recruits man if he can't coach then he can't coach. Doesn't matter how good your recruits are if you simply can't coach or know how to make any adjustments. You're not going to get it done. There's not a sport that's more team oriented than football. Which means there's no sport where coaching matters more than football. And in a sport where coaching means a lot and almost everything. Stoops is a horrible head coach so honestly who cares how well he recruits? Only reason I care is so the next HC can coach them up because stoops ain't getting it done. He's a very inept head coach who's obviously in way over his head. Proof being his quotes before and after the season. Idc what you say about his recruiting merriman. Doesn't change the fact his coaching blows. So hype him up all you want he sucks at coaching so wooptydoo
Well. In stoops last 18 games he has gone 5-13 with wins over a pathetic USC team, a bad Mizzou team, a D2 EKU team, a Charlotte team who has been in existence for like 3 years, and a pathetic ULL team. So in stoops last 18 games. He has one win over a team with a winning record. A 6-5 DIVISION 2 EKU TEAM. So in stoops last 18 games he has zero wins over FBS teams with a winning record. That is pathetic. As I said idc how well anyone recruits if they don't win. Brooks never recruited a high level, probably recruited at a similar level to Leach. Yet still had success IN THE SEC. So for you to say that won't get it done in the SEC just makes you sound dumb. You wanna know why brooks won with subpar talent in the SEC? Because he has a quality to him that leach also has that stoops doesn't have. It's called COACHING! So brooks got it done with equal recruiting to leach. So why wouldn't leach be able to get it done here? Explain that please?
And they both had just as ****** of a record as stoops in their first 3 years. How the hell do you know if stoops is a good coach or not? He's been here 3 years, playing against a stacked deck because he was left with NOTHING. If we go out and **** the bed this year, then maybe you might be onto something. But 3 years, with the horrendous talent level he was left with, is not enough to cast any judgement on his coaching ability.
I can cast a judgement on his coaching ability based on the coaching blunders, the mismanagement of in game situations and his 247 sideline antics that can't be good for the teams morale in any way. I can judge him for his coaching ability based on the multiple times his team showed up with zero focus, zero intensity, and zero care for the game they're currently playing. I can definitely judge his coaching ability based on the many times I watched a very unmotivated team take the field with zero focus. I can judge his coaching ability based on the fact he let a very terrible QB audible out of run plays into pass plays from the goal line. I can judge his coaching ability based on the time he called a time out to save 5 yards on a punt, yet not call a timeout to save 5 yards on a FG. I can judge his coaching ability for letting his team run the ball up the middle out of the shotgun 3 straight plays from the one yard line instead of going under center to try and get one yard. A monumental horrible decision by stoops. You can say Dawson called the plays all you want. But stoops has the power to veto said play calls. And he didn't veto the run out of the gun at the one yard line 3 straight plays. He had the opportunity to change the plays if he wanted. But he was very OK with running out of the gun from the one yard line at the very least, he let it happen. I don't need to judge him based on his record. I judge him based on the in game decisions he makes. Which are more times than not trash decisions.
Stoops is a defensive coach. He doesn't know offense, he has said as much. He leaves the offense entirely to his offensive coordinator. So, I don't expect a defensive coach to overrule an offensive coordinator on, wait for it, offense. What are you going to say if we come out and win 8 games this year? I would almost guarantee you would make 50 excuses as to why stoops is a horrible coach and got lucky. I can hear it now, "if it wasn't for Barker having a monster year we wouldn't have won 2 games with stoops horrible coaching"
When you have a person on ignore status, it is wild watching a poster fight with air.
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the performance on the field has been bad enough, I think that almost all CAT fans I know (including me) is the sideline demeanor of the HC and the total lack of any kind of control it looks like he has on the sidelines and lack of in game decisions...period
It would probably be better to put him on ignore myself and not heave to deal with his ignorance, but I'll go nuts just letting him talk out of his *** without correcting him.
Him acting like an raging lunatic doesn't bother me that much. Bobby Knight won several titles acting alot worse.
I still don't know why this andre character is still allowed to post here. So tired of hearing this troll disrespect our coaches and team. And now he's a big, bad internet tough guy. Maybe we'll see you at the Spring game tough guy. But I doubt it because trolls generally don't go to games.
But do you expect a head coach to? Last time I checked that's his title and what he's getting paid to be.
He may know defense but as head coach can he get a pass on offense?
Some say Mumme and Leach don't know defense and appeared to defer that side of the ball to their defensive coordinators and they get skewered for it.
But flip it and that seems perfectly acceptable.
Confusing.
I've heard that Stoops said he doesn't know offense but I find that difficult to understand or believe so obviously I'm missing something so can you all help me out here?
I'm having trouble because don't defensive coaches have to have knowledge of offense, offenses, strength and weaknesses, advantages and disadvantages-overall and situationally-of each to know how to attack each?
If he doesn't know offense how does he create s defensive game plan? How does he set personnel packages? How can he make situational during game adjustments if he doesn't know and understand offense?
Every offense like every defense has it's strength and weaknesses and if you don't know those how can you even begin to put your team in the best situation to be successful?
I'm confused and must have missed something, but I have to admit it concerns me when a coach discussing his offense comes off sounding like Prissy in "Gone With The Win" discussing birthin' babies.
Help me out here.
The team Stoops took over was probably bottom 10 in the country talent wise. He's recruiting to a basketball school, with little football prestige. Ever year he plays against a top 15 strength of schedule.
The idea that it's easy to overcome that in just 3 years, is absolutely absurd.
As for offense, we all wanted to bring the Air Raid back and stoops obliged. Last year he considered Gran but stuck with the Air Raid approach. Can't fault him but after 3 years it was obvious its not going to work in the SEC. Stools rightfully pulled the plug on it and now he's gone to what he's familiar with in a coordinator like Gran.
You can throw garbage at him all you want but there's a lot of coaches, including Saban, that let their OC almost completely run the offense. Its not hard to see Stoops was just as furious as we were over the offense absurdity that occured last year and he made a change...
If were being honest he's made some mistakes and is to be blamed for some of the problems we'd had but he's a first time head coach and some of that is to be expected. However the amount of good he's done, especially compared to the state of the program when he took over, far outweighs the mistakes.
However, some fans will always want the top 5 coaches in America to come to UK and theyll be blind enough to ignore all the good the current coach is doing. Theyll always want the next coach and next coach and the next coach because they want the easy over night fix like a child wanting the newest toy on the market... instead of just shutting up and letting the long hard process actually run it's course. Why? because they think the process of turning an entire program from awful to great can be solved in 5 minutes.
The idea that it's easy to overcome that in just 3 years, is absolutely absurd.
As for offense, we all wanted to bring the Air Raid back and stoops obliged. Last year he considered Gran but stuck with the Air Raid approach. Can't fault him but after 3 years it was obvious its not going to work in the SEC. Stools rightfully pulled the plug on it and now he's gone to what he's familiar with in a coordinator like Gran.
You can throw garbage at him all you want but there's a lot of coaches, including Saban, that let their OC almost completely run the offense. Its not hard to see Stoops was just as furious as we were over the offense absurdity that occured last year and he made a change...
If were being honest he's made some mistakes and is to be blamed for some of the problems we'd had but he's a first time head coach and some of that is to be expected. However the amount of good he's done, especially compared to the state of the program when he took over, far outweighs the mistakes.
However, some fans will always want the top 5 coaches in America to come to UK and theyll be blind enough to ignore all the good the current coach is doing. Theyll always want the next coach and next coach and the next coach because they want the easy over night fix like a child wanting the newest toy on the market... instead of just shutting up and letting the long hard process actually run it's course. Why? because they think the process of turning an entire program from awful to great can be solved in 5 minutes.
How did this thread turn into a pissing match about Mike Leach. Dude is not here and won't be anytime soon. LET IT GO MAN...
Back to the topic of the thread.
I don't think people will be complaining about guys not giving effort on the O side of the ball. Every player will be held accountable. There's a new sheriff in town.
Back to the topic of the thread.
I don't think people will be complaining about guys not giving effort on the O side of the ball. Every player will be held accountable. There's a new sheriff in town.
What are the odds of Leach ever coaching again at UK? Not good enough for this discussion.