Will Heads Explode In Our Fanbase If...
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I doubt it. It won't be good for us for Stansbury to go to Auburn, but there was always a risk of something like that happening when we parted ways. It will suck for us, but that doesn't change the fact that we had to do something. and I don't know why people's heads would explode over it.
For the Stans apologist that wanted to keep him, yeah heads will explode, kind
of like the Polk apologists heads (same people matter of fact) did when Raffo wasn't hired. Then Polk burst their bubbles w/ all the take my name off the stadium, taking MSU out of my will blah blah blah and then the intense bastard showed them it didn't have to be old school and now all is well. For those that wanted Stans gone, how in the world can they say anything?
of like the Polk apologists heads (same people matter of fact) did when Raffo wasn't hired. Then Polk burst their bubbles w/ all the take my name off the stadium, taking MSU out of my will blah blah blah and then the intense bastard showed them it didn't have to be old school and now all is well. For those that wanted Stans gone, how in the world can they say anything?
Depends. It would certainly validate the decision to replace him.....
Either as a good decision if he falls flat or a bad decision if he wakes up a sleeping program. If he does go and does well then yes, the din of blasting brain boxes will sound like the 4th of July in Bulldog Country.
I think such a validation is pretty much inevitable at some point. Stans is way too young and too driven to stay out of coaching forever. Say what you will about his team management skills but the man could flat out recruit. Which leads to the main thing I miss about the stans years. The ray of hope that comes from knowing you have the talent to compete with just about everyone you face. The converse we are experiencing right now is really quite discouraging.
I don't see State fans becoming AU fans no matter how much they revered Stans unless your first name is Meo. Many might wish him well but if you change allegiances to follow a coach you were not a State fan to begin with. You were a coach fan not a team fan.
Either as a good decision if he falls flat or a bad decision if he wakes up a sleeping program. If he does go and does well then yes, the din of blasting brain boxes will sound like the 4th of July in Bulldog Country.
I think such a validation is pretty much inevitable at some point. Stans is way too young and too driven to stay out of coaching forever. Say what you will about his team management skills but the man could flat out recruit. Which leads to the main thing I miss about the stans years. The ray of hope that comes from knowing you have the talent to compete with just about everyone you face. The converse we are experiencing right now is really quite discouraging.
I don't see State fans becoming AU fans no matter how much they revered Stans unless your first name is Meo. Many might wish him well but if you change allegiances to follow a coach you were not a State fan to begin with. You were a coach fan not a team fan.
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No, it will just make those that bashed him for the last 7-8 years very nervous.
But if they believe all the negatives they have heaped on him and the program for the last half century, they should be excited as hell to have a west team that will be so easy to beat home or away.
But if they believe all the negatives they have heaped on him and the program for the last half century, they should be excited as hell to have a west team that will be so easy to beat home or away.
I wanted a change, yet I will be happy if Stans decides to get back into coaching and is successful.
I never disliked Stans as a person. He seemed like a nice guy with a solid foundation rooted in family.
If he is successful, then cool. I loved his teams from 2000 thru 2005 and he has always recruited better than the average.
But I still think it was time for a change. And if he is successful at Auburn, or Southern Miss, or UTSA, or wherever else- I will be happy that he has found success and still think it was time for a change.
Not really. I think most of the people that were ready for a change recognized that Stans wasn't a terrible coach. He was limited in some ways, but the biggest issue is the situation just got away from him. I think it's much easier to hit the reset button with a new program as opposed to regaining control of one you've lost. Too much poison passed down from class to class. There was no way for Stansbury to make credible threats of discipline to his players, and no easy way for him to give the boot to the problem players (which were approaching a majority of the team). If people could come up with a realistic way for Stans to get back towards his peak, he'd still be here, regardless of the lack of tournament success.
Bama heads will explode! They hated Stans more than any other SEC fanbase did and wre 100% convinced that he recruited well with $$. Goes without saying how they feel about AU, so might be explosions on Tider Insider and a few meth labs. I liked Stans as a person and as a recruiter, but always considered him very average coach.
Michael M
(MSU '73)
Michael M
(MSU '73)
17 no. I'll never cheer for those 17'n ********..
AU can go to hell right behind OM.
But I will guarantee you this. If he does go to AU, y'all are going to see that Stansbury wins game & he'll have them in the top 1/3 of the SEC & sniffing the Tournament, more often than not. And if I had to bet, probably more often than the University that fired him.
AU can go to hell right behind OM.
But I will guarantee you this. If he does go to AU, y'all are going to see that Stansbury wins game & he'll have them in the top 1/3 of the SEC & sniffing the Tournament, more often than not. And if I had to bet, probably more often than the University that fired him.
You should check the stats before you make comments like that. I didn't have time to look up the defensive stats this morning, but the rebounding stats say you are flat out wrong.
That stat is inflated by having two self-motivators in Varnado and Moultrie who averaged double digit rebounds, plus a huge lazy guy who didn't give a **** but still grabbed 7 or 8 per game just by standing under the basket. High effort in rebounding and defense was not a team-wide culture in those last few years.
What makes you say that he doesn't?
He only has one recruit on the court that he recruited for a full cycle. I'm not trying to be "pro Ray" here -- I'm just saying that it is too early to know either way in his program on practically every level.
Not being anti RR or pro RR. Just pointing out that the previous poster made it out that RS was just incredibly lucky to have recruited 'self-motivators' who were the only thing responsible for RS's success.... Not really picking a side in the argument. just thought that point of view was incredibly stupid. (not yours)
I agree with that. I don't think anyone denies that a handful of players that Stansbury recruited and let stick around when it was obvious they were cancers was his ultimate undoing. And that's not just indicative of Renardo either -- the culture was present and festering by the time he got there.
Stans did an excellent job early of getting a great mix of "basketball savants and glue guys" to go along with "stars". Those guys kept the stars grounded, kept the train on the tracks, and got their hands dirty on defense and rebounding. At some point, for whatever reason, we quit having those guys -- and we all saw the end result. Was Barry Stewart the last one that fits that bill? He's the last one I remember that actually graduated...
That's not what I meant in the slightest. I never said that was the "only" thing responsible for Stansbury's success. My argument was in a completely different context, but since the discussion has gone down this road, do you really think it's just a coincidence that Stansbury's slide started when the number of hard-working, lead-by-example types he brought in started to decrease?
There is a difference between those that were ready for a change (hell I was in that group once thw writing was on the wall) and those that went a half-decade personal mission to demean and destroy Rick Stansbury and the MSU basketball program. Big difference.
Yes, I think this was after a select portion of our fanbase started getting pissed off that the 'hard working, lead by example types' were not getting us into the NCAA 3rd round enough.... This led him to start to sacrifice his program for the opportunity to get over the hump. It led him to take on risks that he has not put up with before. And it cost him.... And it cost us, as MSU a ton...
excellent post--you nailed it. He took a chance to get us to the "NEXT LEVEL" and the talented players or maybe just 1 player cost Him and MSU big time. If SS hadn't panicked and stuck with Stans one more year we would probably be at the top of the SEC right now.
What planet were you watching this from in those last couple of years? The implication that we were "probably heading back to the top of the SEC" is asinine. Based on what? Blind faith? That worked out really well for us with Polk... "Give him time -- he will fix it"...
here was my problem with throwing Stans under the Bus. Auburn, Arkansas, SC,Bama, Ga.ans LSU all have better facilities and way more Money. They have run through Coaches like crotin oil through a widowoman. Stans beat them all on a regular basis. So the idea that you could just run out and Hire a new coach that could take you to the "NEXT LEVEL" was ludicrous. if it was that fricking easy Arkansas would be on top with Fla and KY.
"be careful what you ask/wish for"
That is what I am saying... Sometimes we do not understand how good we have it and don't appreciate it until its gone. Not saying at all that I was pleased with how the RS tenure ended. I wish he had continued to recruit and let players transfer out and did not seem to care what a small segment of our fanbase wanted.
That is what I am saying... Sometimes we do not understand how good we have it and don't appreciate it until its gone. Not saying at all that I was pleased with how the RS tenure ended. I wish he had continued to recruit and let players transfer out and did not seem to care what a small segment of our fanbase wanted.
Polk and RS are not the same person. I just do not know why this has always been the go-to. Just because our coaches coach at MSU does not mean they are similar. JWS' situation is not the same as RS. RS is not the same as Polk. Mullen is not the same as Cohen. Its just such flawed thinking, through and through.
Do I think RS was great? He was pretty damn good. Looking better the further away I get.
Do I think RS should have been fired? The only way he deserved to be fired was if he refused input on where the program was heading. He did need a sitdown talking to of what his plans were for getting it back on track.
Do I think that we would be on top of the SEC right now with RS? I think we would probably be in the spot of Ole MIss. About 4th in the SEC and on the bubble.
Is that good enough for MSU? Well, let me think... Would I rather be a good team winning most of our games while being on the NCAA bubble OR would I rather be doing what we are currently doing? looking lost and 'playing hard' and losing by 20 with no glimmer of hope of getting into the tourney or, honestly, no look of turning this around? I will let you answer that...
Do I think RS was great? He was pretty damn good. Looking better the further away I get.
Do I think RS should have been fired? The only way he deserved to be fired was if he refused input on where the program was heading. He did need a sitdown talking to of what his plans were for getting it back on track.
Do I think that we would be on top of the SEC right now with RS? I think we would probably be in the spot of Ole MIss. About 4th in the SEC and on the bubble.
Is that good enough for MSU? Well, let me think... Would I rather be a good team winning most of our games while being on the NCAA bubble OR would I rather be doing what we are currently doing? looking lost and 'playing hard' and losing by 20 with no glimmer of hope of getting into the tourney or, honestly, no look of turning this around? I will let you answer that...