Will MSU football ever recover?
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Then please explain Texas AM. They have more money than just about any school in the SEC. They bought the number one recruiting class several years ago and what have they done. They just lost to a team that has a lot less money. Explain teams like Tulane Arizona Missouri. They don’t have that much monies yet they are winning.
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I didn't say they only allowed UM grads. This should have tipped you off: "Not sure how many State grads go to med school and law school there." Anyway, it's an advantage. Do any State grads who go to professional schools there marry UM grads and become Rebels? Or do our grads stay State fans and donate?
It takes more than money. Saban at A&M would have a couple of Nattys. Look at OU or Okie State or USC. Money is a factor, a major factor. It's not the only one. Ole Miss has more money than State and a better coach and recruiter.
Yes, the program can recover. But we definitely have some underlying issues.
We have a football culture problem at Miss. State, always have. Fans will bail anytime something goes wrong. We did it with Mullen too. The boosters aren't connected and committed enough, and there just aren't as many of them. Our ex-players seem to distance themselves from the program. I have no idea how to change this, other than to just go against the grain. We have to quit trying to be like other programs, and trying to appease other programs/media/conference/etc. We are way too worried about what people think. In other words, an inferiority complex, and it's not attractive.
We have a football culture problem at Miss. State, always have. Fans will bail anytime something goes wrong. We did it with Mullen too. The boosters aren't connected and committed enough, and there just aren't as many of them. Our ex-players seem to distance themselves from the program. I have no idea how to change this, other than to just go against the grain. We have to quit trying to be like other programs, and trying to appease other programs/media/conference/etc. We are way too worried about what people think. In other words, an inferiority complex, and it's not attractive.
What richer schools have those 3 teams beat? Missouri still lost to LSU and Georgia. NIL has just started. Wait till the schools really figure out how to best utilize it. We haven’t even gone thru a 4 year recruiting cycle yet.
A&M has done less with more for years now. Worst return on investment in college football.
Obviously coaches are always going to have an impact (and can certainly waste good talent) but point is it’s going to be near impossible to make even the expanded playoffs if you can’t spend top 25 money.
UMC does not make you more likely to become a rebel. If you start out MSU it does the opposite actually.
And another simpleton remark from someone apparently incapable of thoughtful, pointed debate, so relies solely on insults. TY for exposing yourself as not-serious.
But now the gap is much wider, and not at risk of NCAA violations.
Being “Mr. Moral High Ground” and “wanting to do it the right way” doesn’t overlap with being a great football program.
Is it an MSU culture thing? I mean Cohen left and hired freeze. Wonder if he had any input at all on that one. I don’t see him doing that at State if there were some candidate that offered a comparable situation
I agree. We would never have hired Beard either. Having standards is a lost art in collegiate sports. Of course, we were accused of the same when we hired Jackie Sherrill.
All you guys declaring the end and how poor we are etc etc obviously don't notice how much parity is now in college football. It's the weakest SEC I can remember the last almost 20 years. It's not the end. It's not over. I am convinced we've got a bunch of miserable fans though.
Probably would be more than that if the HUMP were built from scratch today.
Talking about his athletic ability and running strength. It would take a good year or more for him to perfect it, but with the right coaching, he would be very dangerous running the option. Reminds me of USM's Reggie Collier back in the day.
Almost none of that is true. Boosters are controlling. They're connected but some like this to be their "toy" & more concerned with access and what they get instead of winning. Players are distant. They're on campus all the time in the offseason and even off weeks some.
You're right about the fans but that's not the actual program, and you're right about the "blue collar, good ole boy BS".
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His play really seems like the result of poor coaching (shocker, I know), but I can't think of a reason that someone looks that indecisive/uncomfortable out there except he doesn't know what to do. Very non-committal, especially when it is clearly time to just take off and let that athleticism shine.
I don't know that it's the cigar boys making the difference. I think it's all the people raking in $300k to $500k a year where their culture makes a difference. As someone mentioned, they like to brag about paying players a lot. Our alumni are much more likely to if not be bothered by it, not be interested in it. As far as I know, cigar boys are still ponying up. But I don't think our guys making $500k a year are nearly as likely to throw $5k-10k a year at NIL.
have you not noticed the decade cycles that MSU football goes through since 1970. 70s up; 80s down; 90s up; 2000s down; 2010s up, and guess where we're heading this decade?
Through all that time the one constant was our membership in the SEC carrying us through the bad times. I'm just not sure that's something we can absolutely bank on going forward..... IE this potentially a really bad time for us to suck.
To be fair, in today's college football landscape, Jackie probably would have gotten fired in 1993, 1995, 1996, and maybe 1997 if there was a viable candidate ready to replace him.
Though bumps of old posts are generally frowned upon, it seems after this Toledo game it is appropriate and timely.
The last 30 years does not matter, the last 4 does and they are miles ahead of us.
Yes you can but you actually have to do it and we haven’t been able to in the last 2 classes. We’ve been told time and time again our NIL is in the same neighborhood as the rest of the conference. Prove it. Can’t sit back anymore and watch kids go elsewhere. Spend 8-10 million and get a competitive roster. Again, we’ve been told we have it. Spend it. Lenny is a first year coach with a non competitive roster. He has no chance this year. Give him a real sec roster to work with and we’re still getting our asses kicked by Toledo that’s a whole other argument.
I’d rather win. Morality doesn’t get you anywhere in this game. You’re either corrupt or you’re losing.