If wvu becomes a feeder school to the big names after recruiting...developing...and then losing players after a couple years then why bother being even interested in the teams? What coach is worth the money? What facility is worth it? Etc. Fan interest will eventually tank.
Will programs like wvu survive?
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At this rate, no.
No chance.
There will be about 20 programs in basketball and football that will be relevant, almost all in 2 or 3 conferences. The rest (of us) will have all the quality of say, Rice football or Duquesne basketball. It's the Haves and Have Nots. And WVU is definitely a Have Not. All you have to do is look at what has happened to our football and basketball programs, with all the transfers, and you can see that we've fallen into the nothing-happening level. We have the same appeal as Bethany College does to elite college level athletes. We're going to become a falling-off point for players that all good programs don't take seriously.
It's sad, but that's what has become of college sports and WVU sports. Both are on life support.
No chance.
There will be about 20 programs in basketball and football that will be relevant, almost all in 2 or 3 conferences. The rest (of us) will have all the quality of say, Rice football or Duquesne basketball. It's the Haves and Have Nots. And WVU is definitely a Have Not. All you have to do is look at what has happened to our football and basketball programs, with all the transfers, and you can see that we've fallen into the nothing-happening level. We have the same appeal as Bethany College does to elite college level athletes. We're going to become a falling-off point for players that all good programs don't take seriously.
It's sad, but that's what has become of college sports and WVU sports. Both are on life support.
This is a perfect example. Five stars go to Alabama. Three stars come to WVU. If they develop, they transfer to Alabama. So why bother?
We're only getting what the majority of the people were clamoring for. "Pay the players! Pay the players!"
It was never enough they were getting a free ride to an institution of higher learning. It was never enough they were getting the best in nutrition, health care, and student support services - for free. All things the average student doesn't get. It was always more, more, more.
Well, now we're seeing the results of unintended consequences. Let the morons who railed from the rooftops about this gnash their teeth and proclaim how unfair it is now.
Personally, I'm all for it. I want to see it ALL come crashing down. The sooner the better. I want to see carnage and weeping and gnashing of teeth. Come quickly while I sit back and laugh.
Maybe then, we'll get back to what it was all about in the first place. I want to see a WVU team made up of kids from Brooke to Bluefield, Wheeling to James Monroe playing a VT team made up of kids from Blacksburg, Harrisonburg, Bristol and Roanoke. All for the love of the game. TRUE student athletes playing other true student athletes. No athletic scholarships - only academic ones or none at all, even. Playing teams we fans could all travel to on a balmy, fall day.
The rest of "elite college sports" can then turn into the NBA and NFL - things I ignore and have no intention of ever watching. Sorry ESPN, sorry Fox, sorry CBS, can't watch your "must see" game between Alabama and Texas because I'll be in Morgantown watching people worth caring about.
It was never enough they were getting a free ride to an institution of higher learning. It was never enough they were getting the best in nutrition, health care, and student support services - for free. All things the average student doesn't get. It was always more, more, more.
Well, now we're seeing the results of unintended consequences. Let the morons who railed from the rooftops about this gnash their teeth and proclaim how unfair it is now.
Personally, I'm all for it. I want to see it ALL come crashing down. The sooner the better. I want to see carnage and weeping and gnashing of teeth. Come quickly while I sit back and laugh.
Maybe then, we'll get back to what it was all about in the first place. I want to see a WVU team made up of kids from Brooke to Bluefield, Wheeling to James Monroe playing a VT team made up of kids from Blacksburg, Harrisonburg, Bristol and Roanoke. All for the love of the game. TRUE student athletes playing other true student athletes. No athletic scholarships - only academic ones or none at all, even. Playing teams we fans could all travel to on a balmy, fall day.
The rest of "elite college sports" can then turn into the NBA and NFL - things I ignore and have no intention of ever watching. Sorry ESPN, sorry Fox, sorry CBS, can't watch your "must see" game between Alabama and Texas because I'll be in Morgantown watching people worth caring about.
All this crying because both teams suck right now and some would rather point to a boogeyman rather than accept that we have a **** football coach and a has been basketball coach. Schools with much less resources than us have had success in the NIL era, so stop bitching.
Coaches and recruiting staffs will have to improve, but let's be honest, just a few teams can't house all the talented players.
If you look at WVU's recruiting which is usually in the 30's the last couple of decades, is that really going to change (as long as the coaches go out and get replacements from a similar standing, of which there will be many if the people are right who claim WVU isn't undergoing something deeper than NIL and transfer ability the same as everyone else.). Good players aren't going to ride the pine anywhere, not WVU, and not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama either. They don't play at those schools, they'll leave. So WVU has to work hard to make the entire experience at WVU be an outstanding one so good players want to be at WVU. There are more players than schools.
If you look at WVU's recruiting which is usually in the 30's the last couple of decades, is that really going to change (as long as the coaches go out and get replacements from a similar standing, of which there will be many if the people are right who claim WVU isn't undergoing something deeper than NIL and transfer ability the same as everyone else.). Good players aren't going to ride the pine anywhere, not WVU, and not Ohio State or Clemson or Alabama either. They don't play at those schools, they'll leave. So WVU has to work hard to make the entire experience at WVU be an outstanding one so good players want to be at WVU. There are more players than schools.
And these are the facts, but they want to paint the players as the bad guy so their egos aren't bruised.
College sports are broken and the NCAA doesn't realize it.
This is like the old Big East days when Mike Tranghese had his head in the sand was caught off guard when Pitt and Syracuse bolted.
This is like the old Big East days when Mike Tranghese had his head in the sand was caught off guard when Pitt and Syracuse bolted.
Mesidor didn't sit the bench. So it can't be inferred in this case playing time is his reason to leave. Nor can it is half the defensive back field that left. I am guessing they are leaving over the perception they have a better chance to get to the NFL at another school.
I was with you until you advocated for a WVU team made up of WV players. Nothing would be less fun to watch than "West Virginia High School" play "VA or TX or OH or PA or pretty much any other state High School".
That would 60 point losses every game.
when real news breaks an athletic trainer is leaving WVU for the portal, I'm done.
Nope. College sports are, more or less, dead to me. Sure, I’ll watch the team and cheer them on but the NCAA will not get any additional money from me. I couldn’t care less to watch other teams or games and I won’t.
Oh I didn’t realize that things will be different in a few years? If anything, I expect players/businesses to get more realistic with expectations as time goes on like with that kid who got $1m for never playing a snap at Ohio State.
Definitely a lot of truth to that. Should have written "mostly from" rather than implying exclusively from. Good catch on that.
Players who are playing simply for the love of the game. Win or lose - a pleasant experience. No $300 seats. No breaking the bank to buy your family a couple of hotdogs, sodas, and a couple of souvenirs. Kids getting a four year education. If that means the play is a little slower, the talent not quite what one would see in Austin or Tuscaloosa, a family-friendly atmosphere in which no one worries about which coach is quitting, leaving, getting fired, then I think that's something we can all agree upon.
Bucky,
I seem to detect a pattern here. You have espoused the power of social media as being able to "run off" players and coaches. You have stated that some folks, i.e. Allen, et. al, have been wielding this power to have run off Holgorsen. You have seemingly attempted to use your platform on here to derail any chances that Brown and Huggins will be successful by attacking them and their players at every turn.
It seems I have also detected another pattern here. Every time you come forward with a supporting post about a coach - that coach is let go. Every time you spout off about how a coach is terrible - said coach gets an extension or invited into the Hall of Fame.
That pattern is clear. The powers to be at WVU come onto this site, read what you post, and do the exact opposite. That's what people feel about your knowledge of sports in general.
So true.
Sadly, folks would rather spend a grand for a weekend at Morgantown rather than $50 to support that DIII team just down the road from them. They then get all upset when WVU, whom they have invested so much time, energy, and money, loses - players, coaches, and by proxy, also games.
I propose that if folks would look at WVU as just another DIII team, invest less time, money, and resources into them, those folks would have a much more pleasant experience. Then, this culture that exists, where every school is chasing the tail of the dog next to them, would cease to exist.
College athletics is far from dead. Sad to see so many freaking out because players can now earn a living like the rest of society. Keeping them poor and subserviant to coaches like Brown making $10,000 plus per day was really so important to you that you plan to abandon watching competitions?
Dont worry, conferences, schools, ADs and coaches - even the NCAA are still makkng billions from the players in football and basketball and only issuing a tiny fraction of that back to them in the form of scholarships. The NIL money is what the players can earn on their own. As far as transfer portals are concerned, Coaches ADs, administrators and the rest of the student body can still move around as they please with nothing holding them back, now the athletes can too and if you want them restricted like pro athletes, theyll have to get a similar share of the take home. But the games will go on.
Dont worry, conferences, schools, ADs and coaches - even the NCAA are still makkng billions from the players in football and basketball and only issuing a tiny fraction of that back to them in the form of scholarships. The NIL money is what the players can earn on their own. As far as transfer portals are concerned, Coaches ADs, administrators and the rest of the student body can still move around as they please with nothing holding them back, now the athletes can too and if you want them restricted like pro athletes, theyll have to get a similar share of the take home. But the games will go on.
Well to answer the question you posed in the thread title I would say no. The big boys are just going to kick down the door of the wvu's of the world and flash cash at our best players. In the era of the NIL wvu is a small market team getting priced out of the market.
As long as the NIL is in place it will be very difficult for wvu to have any success. The game has changed and it won't matter what the last name of the coach is. What ever schools you are referring to that have less resources than wvu won't have sustained success in the NIL era.
Such a lazy take. Football was well on the road to having the talent consolidate into a rotation of 5 or so programs well before NIL. There hasn’t been a school with comparable resources to WVU win a national title since the early 90s. The primary reason is there simply isn’t enough football players in the talent pool to support more than a few elite programs. Basketball on the other hand sees schools with all different types of brands and resources routinely compete and even win national titles. The reason being is that basketball’s talent pool globally can support a high number of quality programs, and even if a ton of them consolidate to 1 program (Kentucky), odds are more experienced teams can still compete with and beat them, especially in a one and done tournament setup.
A big assumption made by the deniers is that players leaving WVU all left for the NIL. But then you see them spouting off that most players in the transfer portal havent been picked up elsewhere. Sooo, then they cant have been lured away by a better NIL deal can they have?
Your implication is that players should be allowed to earn whatever their market value is fine as long as it's applied evenly. Most athletes are getting more compensation with just their scholarship and room & board. Pay football and men's basketball players more and pay the rest less.
You can't complain about some being paid too little while ignoring the others being paid too much.
That crash you just heard was the impact of name, image and likeness rights blasting through the roof of college athletics.
If you slept through the latest NIL lightning strike, March 2022, a high school junior signed an NIL deal that could be worth up to $8 million dollars.
It's taken the NIL era less than a year to make a complete farce of the notion that NIL revenue for college athletes would be with the promotional value they actually bring to the brands they'll represent. That's no criticism of the athletes, who are rightly taking full advantage of a new reality; the value of anything is what someone will pay for it. But let's call it what it is, a new era in the recruiting game, not the branding game.
The language in a contract cleverly sidesteps NCAA rules against pay for play by making no mention of a specific school. An NIL collective, a third-party pooling of booster funds that doesn't represent a university in any formal way, is behind the deal. But make no mistake NIL collectives come draped in team colors, and athletes, like anyone else would, will go where the money is.
If you slept through the latest NIL lightning strike, March 2022, a high school junior signed an NIL deal that could be worth up to $8 million dollars.
It's taken the NIL era less than a year to make a complete farce of the notion that NIL revenue for college athletes would be with the promotional value they actually bring to the brands they'll represent. That's no criticism of the athletes, who are rightly taking full advantage of a new reality; the value of anything is what someone will pay for it. But let's call it what it is, a new era in the recruiting game, not the branding game.
The language in a contract cleverly sidesteps NCAA rules against pay for play by making no mention of a specific school. An NIL collective, a third-party pooling of booster funds that doesn't represent a university in any formal way, is behind the deal. But make no mistake NIL collectives come draped in team colors, and athletes, like anyone else would, will go where the money is.
In pro athletics players are not paid evenly. In business people are not paid the same.
Right now, scholarships are the same across the board whether you are ie a golfer or tennis player bringing in nothing essentially, or a football player responsible for tens of millions of generated revenues per year. Thats not fair, because in essence you are taking from the revenue producers to give to the non revenue producer. Football and bb players are getting on average about 8% of what they actually generate via a scholarship. Whereas non revenue athletes are getting much closer to 100% per studies.
NIL deals conversely are an individuals ability to generate money no matter the sport. Its not affiliated with the school, private companies and or groups provide the money and individuals sign their own deals, not as a group but independently of one another just as in general everyone can try to negotiate whatever pay they want to.
that is your assumption projected incorrectly on why other think players leave. The pattern of what others think is the reason is not all NIL. It is likely they all did not leave for NIL but for other unknown reasons. It stands to reason there are different purposes for leaving. Few here, including you, really don't know why players leave, unless the player/school stated why. Why they are lured away may also vary, but one reason has to be the perception they have of themselves they will be picked up for something better. And when they don't, hopefully, they blame themselves and not the system they were treated unfairly. They, unfortunately for them, didn't see themselves as others saw them.
One thing that amuses me when non WVU fans like root post these death to WVU declarations. Who exactly do you root for? Because chances are if WVU is sent down to the minors, your school will be too. ( or maybe its already there).
We know from reporting from a former player that current players were unhappy with coaching and the program and therefore left. When it was posted for some reason the link was removed/ blackballed but that doesnt change that that is what happened. Since sime players havent actually moved to another squad or moved to ie G5 programs thats solid evidence it was not for NIL deals too
I'll say it again. The reasons players leave vary. Not getting picked up is an indicator they aren't wanted as a player. It's anecdotal not getting picked up immunes them from the reason for NIL, but no solid evidence as you suggest. However, there very well could be cases where the pursuit of NIL changed to a non-selection to get picked up, thus no NIL deal. And I give no credence to what supposedly one player says what the other players reasons are for leaving. Life is full of people in the work place who are unhappy with their management. Let them leave too. Likely more healthy for the organization they did, hence, more opportunity for others on the team if they do.
hopefully the education players are getting teaches them to look at what you just stated to see the probability of most leaving for the portal harms opportunity for playing time compared to staying on the team they are leaving. Naturally, the reasons vary for why they leave. The 65-70% you reference can't get that opportunity back to play. I wonder how many of those 65-70% did not complete their degree thinking going into the portal leverage degree completion along with whatever else was their reasoning? Another consequence of poor judgment.
It isn't a lazy take its the new economic reality. In the past players were funneled cash under the table. Now it can be done over the table. The last name of the coach and AD isn't going to change that.
So what exactly is going to change on the field/court in your opinion that wasn’t already happening?
It has already changed moron. Fake student athletes. Me first teams. No school pride. Over investment in toys not education. Money over integrity. Social justice and Inclusion bullshtt. Dump all this crap and return colleges to the job of preparing students for life with sports as a side activity. Boycott it all!
You are highlighting societal issues and think forcing kids to sit a year after transferring and depriving them of the ability to earn money off of their own merits will somehow make them more prideful in their school and less woke.