Will RU lose any players to the Portal before the Bronx Bowl?

yesrutgers01

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That's never a good reason to stay. Respectfully it just isn't. The reason kids go to college is to prepare themselves for life and set themselves up for future success. If a kid has the opportunity for an NFL contract and there's not a great chance of him significantly improving his draft stock it's flat out stupid to stay. One bad hit to the knee and that NFL career is over. For those familiar with Jalen Smith from Notre Dame, he went from being a sure fire top 10 pick to a second rounder due to a knee injury sustained in the bowl game, it cost his family about $7 million...
Maybe specific to him but why do so many people equate player money to their family?
 

LeapinLou

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Toure's quote this week ("5 years is a long time") makes me think he wants to move on. No inside knowledge on my part at all, just from that quote.
Good observation. But also consider that his little brother is on the roster so maybe that keeps him here? Toure also had a tweet/X post where he had two symbols on it and no commentary. Being old and out of what's hip, I couldn't make sense of it. Anybody here know what that was about?
 

yessir321

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Maybe specific to him but why do so many people equate player money to their family?
Because players have families. $12 million is enough to change an entire family tree, it’s not to say everyone’s getting rich but I for example have 17 cousins. The difference between $6 million and $20 million is whether or not I can pay for all of them to go to college. $100k impacts an individual, $12 million impacts a family
 

Perricone7

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That's never a good reason to stay. Respectfully it just isn't. The reason kids go to college is to prepare themselves for life and set themselves up for future success. If a kid has the opportunity for an NFL contract and there's not a great chance of him significantly improving his draft stock it's flat out stupid to stay. One bad hit to the knee and that NFL career is over. For those familiar with Jalen Smith from Notre Dame, he went from being a sure fire top 10 pick to a second rounder due to a knee injury sustained in the bowl game, it cost his family about $7 million...

No one on this team is anywhere close to that level. Monangai has an interesting choice on his hands. One more solid year at RU and he will probably cement himself as one of the programs greats (in addition to all the exposure building up to next season). That’s something with monetary value for the rest of his life.
 

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Pure speculation on my part. No inside knowledge. But this is how I see it:

- Monongai goes pro but plays in the bowl
- Melton goes pro but plays in the bowl

Defense
- Lewis signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Dixon signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Longerbeam signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Toure signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Powell signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Bailey signs NIL deal to stay at RU

Offense
- Patel signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Young signs NIL deal to stay at RU

I'm probably missing somebody but I would think any other losses wouldn't be devastating.
As far as additions:
- RU adds Tight End from the transfer portal
- RU adds edge rusher from the transfer portal

One silver lining is that we don't have to allocate a ton of additional resources for the QB position, whereas a lot of other schools will need to use a ton of money for that spot.
If a RB has made the decision to go pro there’s no shot he’s playing in the pinstripe bowl. Big time bowl maybe, but no shot he’s risking millions for one game in Yankees stadium
 

yesrutgers01

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Because players have families. $12 million is enough to change an entire family tree, it’s not to say everyone’s getting rich but I for example have 17 cousins. The difference between $6 million and $20 million is whether or not I can pay for all of them to go to college. $100k impacts an individual, $12 million impacts a family
If your kid becomes a surgeon, are they expected to pay for the family tree?

If you had 6 or 20 mil- I really don't understand why you are going to pay for them all to go to college.
 

rucoe89

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No one on this team is anywhere close to that level. Monangai has an interesting choice on his hands. One more solid year at RU and he will probably cement himself as one of the programs greats (in addition to all the exposure building up to next season). That’s something with monetary value for the rest of his life.
Maybe. But if he gets injured, his value drops. He may be at peak value for NFL stock. That said, Jawan Jamison thought he was at peak value when he left to try to pursue the NFL.
 
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Caliknight

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I should be easier to retain players with nil. Getting to play another year at Rutgers is a lot more fun than the NFL. We have at least 3 players that are NFL material, I hope they stay and have some fun.

Playing in the NFL is a ton of fun for most of those guys.

This is the age of free agency every year. You have to re-recruit players every year. Other schools are going to come after our guys...and some of them are going to be successful.

College seasons are one year propositions. They can and often will look wildly different from year to year. Especially for a team like us.

Schiano and staff better be spending a lot of time looking through the portal. We are going to have to hit ourselves.
 

Morrischiano2

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Pure speculation on my part. No inside knowledge. But this is how I see it:

- Monongai goes pro but plays in the bowl
- Melton goes pro but plays in the bowl

Defense
- Lewis signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Dixon signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Longerbeam signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Toure signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Powell signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Bailey signs NIL deal to stay at RU

Offense
- Patel signs NIL deal to stay at RU
- Young signs NIL deal to stay at RU

I'm probably missing somebody but I would think any other losses wouldn't be devastating.
As far as additions:
- RU adds Tight End from the transfer portal
- RU adds edge rusher from the transfer portal

One silver lining is that we don't have to allocate a ton of additional resources for the QB position, whereas a lot of other schools will need to use a ton of money for that spot.
Kyle M may very well get a huge NIL bag, and leave.
 
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RUbacker

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If some of our players leave for other schools because of money or our lack of it Politi will def write about it and in depth. That would make us look horrible that we were not able to keep our players. What SEC or BIG team would not want Toure to play linebacker for their team or for our 1000 yard rusher to run behind a stout OL and not just an average line. Pacheco would have been a first round pick if he was at Penn State or similar with great lines to run behind. The players are as loyal as the fans and alums.
NIL is for real , we need donations .
 

Morrischiano2

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It is going to be very interesting to see exactly how that kind of stuff plays out.
It’s not interesting at all. We are going to lose contributors because the team’s fans won’t give to NIL collectives.

I was talking to my NIL sales rep last week and I asked him how much they’ve raised for 2023. He said they aren’t allowed to say outside of what is officially disclosed. When I asked “ is it less than $5 M?” he chuckled and said “yes you can safely say it’s under $5M”.
 
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It’s not interesting at all. We are going to lose contributors because the team’s fans won’t give to NIL collectives.

I was talking to my NIL sales rep last week and I asked him how much they’ve raised for 2023. He said they aren’t allowed to say outside of what is officially disclosed. When I asked “ is it less than $5 M?” he chuckled and said “yes you can safely say it’s under $5M”.
Why are most RU alums so cheap?
 

yessir321

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If your kid becomes a surgeon, are they expected to pay for the family tree?

If you had 6 or 20 mil- I really don't understand why you are going to pay for them all to go to college.
Happy to explain.

there’s no surgeon in the world that’s offered $20 million in 5 years Guarenteed straight out of undergraduate school with the opportunity to make even more with a second contract. In fact most surgeons by the time they finish school, payoff their student loans and live extremely handsomely rarely generate a $6 million net worth, let alone $20 million.

Let’s take my family with 17 cousins for example, I’m not talking about buying them houses, cars, luxury gifts, etc. I’m talking about sending them to college and or paying off their education. Let’s say each one of my 17 cousins averaged $200k in college a piece (an extremely high number but for arguments sake). Under that scenario it would cost me $3.4 million to send my entire family to college. If I’m looking at $20 million Guarenteed that’s an investment I can afford to make and would be happy to make. I do feel a responsibility to my kin to help them flourish and while I agree that specifically gifting them money is against morals, gifting them an education so they can best maximize their potential is perhaps the best gift a person can give. ‘Teach a man to fish’ ideology.

I wouldn’t be able to afford that though with a $6 million contract, $20 million you wouldn’t feel it…. $13 million changes family trees and also changes communities.

Now if you want to go full blown Dave Ramsay and hoard your money that’s fine too, most with that kind of income choose to give their families the best chance at success. An extra $13 million you can ensure every member of your family for generations can go to college, can you think of a better legacy?
 
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Some posters wanted to replace Patel after his missed one FG early in the year. He turned out to be the real deal. How about the game where they had Appleby go for the 51 yard FG instead of Patel and he missed.
Who are these "some"??? Are you talking about a real time game thread whete every comment is an emotional knee jerk response. I haven't heard 1 criticism of Patel.
 

vkj91

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Happy to explain.

there’s no surgeon in the world that’s offered $20 million in 5 years Guarenteed straight out of undergraduate school with the opportunity to make even more with a second contract. In fact most surgeons by the time they finish school, payoff their student loans and live extremely handsomely rarely generate a $6 million net worth, let alone $20 million.

Let’s take my family with 17 cousins for example, I’m not talking about buying them houses, cars, luxury gifts, etc. I’m talking about sending them to college and or paying off their education. Let’s say each one of my 17 cousins averaged $200k in college a piece (an extremely high number but for arguments sake). Under that scenario it would cost me $3.4 million to send my entire family to college. If I’m looking at $20 million Guarenteed that’s an investment I can afford to make and would be happy to make. I do feel a responsibility to my kin to help them flourish and while I agree that specifically gifting them money is against morals, gifting them an education so they can best maximize their potential is perhaps the best gift a person can give. ‘Teach a man to fish’ ideology.

I wouldn’t be able to afford that though with a $6 million contract, $20 million you wouldn’t feel it…. $13 million changes family trees and also changes communities.

Now if you want to go full blown Dave Ramsay and hoard your money that’s fine too, most with that kind of income choose to give their families the best chance at success. An extra $13 million you can ensure every member of your family for generations can go to college, can you think of a better legacy?
While noble, you know that a guy who gets 20 million Guaranteed isn’t actually banking 20 million. It’s probably closer to 10
 

yesrutgers01

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While noble, you know that a guy who gets 20 million Guaranteed isn’t actually banking 20 million. It’s probably closer to 10
And that is money they earned- the family dos not get to claim it.

It's funny- we built our beautiful home in 2007...Son, still playing at Rutgers. He gets into the NFL in 2010- and all of a sudden- rumor is that 1) it is an NFL player's home 2) NFL player bought this house for his parents.

I know there are a ton of families that will expect their Pro Sports player kid to foot their bill- but we have always looked at it no different then a parent of a kid who becomes a surgeon, a hedge fund, or something else similar.
And that again- it is the very small percentage, no matter how you look at it.

Maybe it is just personal to me but our son's effort and money is his and we are just so proud and happy for him. On the other hand- yes, we did see others who thought they would even benefit from it and they had nothing to do with his life before it.

But, "family" just shouldn't be the thought by fans.
 

mdk02

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Happy to explain.

there’s no surgeon in the world that’s offered $20 million in 5 years Guarenteed straight out of undergraduate school with the opportunity to make even more with a second contract. In fact most surgeons by the time they finish school, payoff their student loans and live extremely handsomely rarely generate a $6 million net worth, let alone $20 million.

Let’s take my family with 17 cousins for example, I’m not talking about buying them houses, cars, luxury gifts, etc. I’m talking about sending them to college and or paying off their education. Let’s say each one of my 17 cousins averaged $200k in college a piece (an extremely high number but for arguments sake). Under that scenario it would cost me $3.4 million to send my entire family to college. If I’m looking at $20 million Guarenteed that’s an investment I can afford to make and would be happy to make. I do feel a responsibility to my kin to help them flourish and while I agree that specifically gifting them money is against morals, gifting them an education so they can best maximize their potential is perhaps the best gift a person can give. ‘Teach a man to fish’ ideology.

I wouldn’t be able to afford that though with a $6 million contract, $20 million you wouldn’t feel it…. $13 million changes family trees and also changes communities.

Now if you want to go full blown Dave Ramsay and hoard your money that’s fine too, most with that kind of income choose to give their families the best chance at success. An extra $13 million you can ensure every member of your family for generations can go to college, can you think of a better legacy?

$200k high? No. Totally unrealistic. If they need a full ride then they likely qualify for financial aid. And they can also work at least during the summer.
 

RU#1fan

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That's never a good reason to stay. Respectfully it just isn't. The reason kids go to college is to prepare themselves for life and set themselves up for future success. If a kid has the opportunity for an NFL contract and there's not a great chance of him significantly improving his draft stock it's flat out stupid to stay. One bad hit to the knee and that NFL career is over. For those familiar with Jalen Smith from Notre Dame, he went from being a sure fire top 10 pick to a second rounder due to a knee injury sustained in the bowl game, it cost his family about $7 million...
That’s why you buy Insurance for the Bowl game. Easy solution.
 

kupuna133

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While noble, you know that a guy who gets 20 million Guaranteed isn’t actually banking 20 million. It’s probably closer to 10
And for most NFL players there is no second contract (average career of NFL player is 3.3 years). So that 10 million will have to last a life time.
 

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Why are most RU alums so cheap?
We do not have any real diehards. We have people who love to give opinions. Everyone here knows NIL is real and that our competition meaning the schools we play and recruit against are playing the NIL game. Yet you hear every excuse in the book to not help out. We are good at bashing our players and not donating squat. We as a whole are the real RUSCREW.
 

Hardslider33

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Toure's quote this week ("5 years is a long time") makes me think he wants to move on. No inside knowledge on my part at all, just from that quote.
He followed coaches from another local B1G team on X yesterday. I think you’re correct
 

Scarlet4ever

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We also live in an area that has an extremely high cost of living. Not much disposable income. Plus RU does a terrible job engaging students while in school. The foreign student strategy also is good for short term money but garners limited donations down the road.
 
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It means he’s looking around
RU fans need to pony up
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Hardslider33

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He could be just testing the market to set the NIL value. Hopefully we’ll get to to match.
I understand what you’re saying but if we have limited resources hard decisions then have to be made. Sucks but that’s where CF is today.
 

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While noble, you know that a guy who gets 20 million Guaranteed isn’t actually banking 20 million. It’s probably closer to 10
Correct, along with endorsements. Under that scenario I put $5 mil in a mutual fund that will average around 11% and make the money back in 6 years
 
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yesrutgers01

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While noble, you know that a guy who gets 20 million Guaranteed isn’t actually banking 20 million. It’s probably closer to 10
And to the point I was trying to make- it is that player's money. Not his family, friends or anyone else. And it is so strange that "fans" just assume that a player is 1) obligated to give any of it to anyone 2) that he has

And no one in the family should expect it either.

And to your point- again, with fans...they may see what you just wrote and still think that it is just easy street for the rest of this player's life. Guy gets that 10 mil over a 4-5 year period and then has to figure out the next 60 or 70 years. A lot of players miss that reality too but it isn't as much as it sounds. Even worse, kids that didn't take school serious and who did pay for all their cousins and nephews and nieces collage educations. lol
 
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We do not have any real diehards. We have people who love to give opinions. Everyone here knows NIL is real and that our competition meaning the schools we play and recruit against are playing the NIL game. Yet you hear every excuse in the book to not help out. We are good at bashing our players and not donating squat. We as a whole are the real RUSCREW.
This exactly!