Will your view of Mullen change at all if Relf starts at QB Saturday?
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...but it will confirm a suspicion I have, which is Mullen isn't comfortable with a pass-first QB.<div>
</div><div>Be it Alex Smith or Tim Tebow, he made his name with mobile QBs.</div><div>
</div><div>The question remains, when your best QB isn't a runner, can you adapt?</div><div>
</div><div>I think that's one big difference between a great coach and a mediocre coach. A great coach changes his system to suit his players. A mediocre coach can only coach his system.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: Great example of mediocre coach is Joe Lee Dunn. When he didn't have all-world cornerbacks like Smoot & Bean to play man defense, his defense sucked.</div>
</div><div>Be it Alex Smith or Tim Tebow, he made his name with mobile QBs.</div><div>
</div><div>The question remains, when your best QB isn't a runner, can you adapt?</div><div>
</div><div>I think that's one big difference between a great coach and a mediocre coach. A great coach changes his system to suit his players. A mediocre coach can only coach his system.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: Great example of mediocre coach is Joe Lee Dunn. When he didn't have all-world cornerbacks like Smoot & Bean to play man defense, his defense sucked.</div>
If our plan is to establish a ground game via Relf and the option, then that's just decent strategy - South Carolina struggled against Navy's option game - it may be a weakness that we could exploit. If we put Relf in there expecting him to shred USC's secondary, then that's just stubborn. Mullen has had plenty of time to see what Relf is capable of on game day. Making decisions in the passing game isn't one of those capabilities.
Then again, if our line plays the way they did in the first half last Saturday, it doesn't matter who is playing.
Then again, if our line plays the way they did in the first half last Saturday, it doesn't matter who is playing.
61 yards.
This stat tells me we SHOULD be able to run on uscbut uab had given up over 2000 total yards in 4 games before they played us on Saturday. We had maybe 180 yards total in the first half against them?
If we run for 300 + yards and have 1 or less turnovers, I give us somewhat of a chance to win the game late.
This stat tells me we SHOULD be able to run on uscbut uab had given up over 2000 total yards in 4 games before they played us on Saturday. We had maybe 180 yards total in the first half against them?
If we run for 300 + yards and have 1 or less turnovers, I give us somewhat of a chance to win the game late.
my opinion of him also won't change because I don't think he hung the moon like a lot of people. He is a good, young coach. Some of the things he does I think are growing pains (timeouts, play calling, etc.). So, me not agreeing that Relf should start wouldn't be that big of a deal because even he may look back on it at the end of the season and realize that he should have started Russell instead for factors such as team chemistry, leadership, or any number of other intangibles. Overall I couldn't be happier that we have a young and aggressive coach who is trying hard to build a program and a culture of winning.
I will say this though, I'll be pretty damn mad if Relf starts and we get exactly the same type of production from him that we have seen in the past few weeks AND this is then followed up by Russell coming in and the offense coming back to life. I don't think that Russell will be able to do it exactly like UAB because an SEC defense is a whole other animal but, if he does I'll be pissed that Mullen wasn't able to assess that properly.
I will say this though, I'll be pretty damn mad if Relf starts and we get exactly the same type of production from him that we have seen in the past few weeks AND this is then followed up by Russell coming in and the offense coming back to life. I don't think that Russell will be able to do it exactly like UAB because an SEC defense is a whole other animal but, if he does I'll be pissed that Mullen wasn't able to assess that properly.
Mullen says they'll decide after this week of practice. Koenning said Russell completed 90% of his passes last week. Russell was head and shoulders above Relf against UAB.
I'm sorry, but all those signs point to Russell starting. They might switch it up bcause they're worried about USC's pass rush or USC's vulnerability to the option, but I highly f*cking doubt Relf 'out practices' Russell this week.
I'm sorry, but all those signs point to Russell starting. They might switch it up bcause they're worried about USC's pass rush or USC's vulnerability to the option, but I highly f*cking doubt Relf 'out practices' Russell this week.
My biggest problem with Mullen is that he is too f'ing conservative. I understand trying to shorten a game when your team lacks the talent to beat someone straight up, but Mullen never, ever really plays to win. I would rather lose by 30 trying to pull **** out of our *** than go Lane Kiffin in The Swamp and just try to keep it close. Hell, Ole Miss scored two touchdowns against Georgia on trick plays. We never do **** like that.
Mullen is too concerned with playing veterans at times. If a young guy is better than the guy who has experience, so the 17 what? Play the young guy. His refusal to get guys like Jameon Lewis the ball more is ridiculous. If your offense is pathetic, do something different.(He bring in Favre and now Russell) We rarely, if ever, do.
Granted I grew up idolizing Spurrier (I'm only 23), but I want to see Mullen express some confidence in his team just once. I don't care how bad we're playing. He is an offensive coach who coaches a spread offense, there is no excuse not to attack at all times, even if we are up by 40. I love the fact that guys like Spurrier will go for jugular, but when was the last time Mullen did something similar? We just run QB draw after QB draw after QB draw.
Mullen is too concerned with playing veterans at times. If a young guy is better than the guy who has experience, so the 17 what? Play the young guy. His refusal to get guys like Jameon Lewis the ball more is ridiculous. If your offense is pathetic, do something different.(He bring in Favre and now Russell) We rarely, if ever, do.
Granted I grew up idolizing Spurrier (I'm only 23), but I want to see Mullen express some confidence in his team just once. I don't care how bad we're playing. He is an offensive coach who coaches a spread offense, there is no excuse not to attack at all times, even if we are up by 40. I love the fact that guys like Spurrier will go for jugular, but when was the last time Mullen did something similar? We just run QB draw after QB draw after QB draw.
because Mullen tells his team the best 11 guys will be playing and Russell at this time is better than Relf. Also Mullen tells his team to never give up but he seamed to give up in the LSU game.<div>
</div><div>If he is going to talk the talk he has to walk the walk and start Russell.</div>
</div><div>If he is going to talk the talk he has to walk the walk and start Russell.</div>
studentdawg87 said:
than this. I'm still trying to get over the LSU performance shown by Mullen. At no point in that game did he believe his team could win and it was obvious as the whole nation watched him ***** his way to a loss. Not using a single timeout in either half, when we had the ball with a minute left in the first half, followed by 3 straight runs and then with 6 minutes left and all timeouts only down by less than 2 touchdowns he doesn't run a hurry up mode or even attempt long passes. He's got some ground to make up in my eyes for that game. I was number one Dan Mullen fan coming into this year and I guess I learned a lesson. I honestly thought he was a top 5 head coach if you asked me right before the Auburn game my opinion. I understand he's young and will make mistakes but the number one mistake in my eyes you can't under any circumstances as a head coach make in any sport is to show your team you don't think they can actually win the game.
maybe not...
Let me put it another way: we have 2 kids that arent that different in ability that have different strengths.
If your 2.6 mil was riding on this decision....what would it be?
Let me put it another way: we have 2 kids that arent that different in ability that have different strengths.
If your 2.6 mil was riding on this decision....what would it be?
If there is better evidence that you can actually give yourself a blowjob, I dont know what it is.DAWG61 said:
East Carolina and Georgia threw for 260 and 248 yards respectively. Navy threw for 61 yards, Auburn 112 and Kentucky 17.
If I was the coach, I play Russell.
If I was the coach, I play Russell.
Mullen, while never immune to making a bad decision, has really never even shown that he doesnt care about winning games we dont think we can win....
lets take for example playing LSUtougher than anyone in the country.....hows that for relevant?
Your statement that he AT NO POINT in the game thought he could win......
I make exagerations all the time. Hyperbole is a very decent tool on the interwebs.....but with that statemtent, youhave proven that the only person in this freaking universe that could satisfy yourself is.........I'll bet you can guess this one...
you.
lets take for example playing LSUtougher than anyone in the country.....hows that for relevant?
Your statement that he AT NO POINT in the game thought he could win......
I make exagerations all the time. Hyperbole is a very decent tool on the interwebs.....but with that statemtent, youhave proven that the only person in this freaking universe that could satisfy yourself is.........I'll bet you can guess this one...
you.
I believe the score was 6-3 LSU with a minute left in the first half. We had the ball and ALL our timeouts. Mullen chose to run the ball 3 straight times. In the second half we had 6+ minutes left and ALL our timeouts but Mullen didn't run a hurry up offense or throw down the field. Are these actions of a man actually trying to WIN the game? Me sucking my own dick is not really an answer.
I trust DM!
Offensively he has a great mind! Eventually he will make the proper moves....
He ain't no Croom.
Offensively he has a great mind! Eventually he will make the proper moves....
He ain't no Croom.
Which is why we have to establish a run game. Relf gives us our best chance at doing that. One day, we might be able to pass to set up the run, but that day isn't here yet. The smart play is to let Relf start and give us an additional running threat. That's our best shot at winning Saturday. Relf may end up not executing (or the o-line prevents it altogether) and that's fine. That's where Mullen has to pick the right time to pull him and give Russell a shot at the secondary should that happen.
But if he starts Relf, I hope he does well. I want to win no matter who is out there. I just hope he has him on a very short leash if he does play poorly.
but to assume he wasnt trying to win at the end of the first half is moronic at best. My contention is that you are using irrelevant facts to try to prove an absolutely bizzare point.
That is to say that he wasnt trying to win the game. He explained the end of the game poorly if absolutely ******. He should have been throwing anything at LSU to still try to win. Sure, I agree. But by then, nothing he was doing was working, except getting his qb's prepared for a season ending injury.
You asserted the whole 17ing game. I contended that staying within the points we did is proof that he was in fact trying to win the game with inferior talent and not having much success.The end of the first half he was trying not to turn the ball over to the best defense and the best 17ing kicker at midfieldas he proved throughout the night to be.
You however, in an effort to justify your own absurd comment, use the 1st half conservative decision in combination with the end of the game to conclude something no reasonable person would.
Thus, without anyone else to freaking pleasure you, you must do so yourself.
That is to say that he wasnt trying to win the game. He explained the end of the game poorly if absolutely ******. He should have been throwing anything at LSU to still try to win. Sure, I agree. But by then, nothing he was doing was working, except getting his qb's prepared for a season ending injury.
You asserted the whole 17ing game. I contended that staying within the points we did is proof that he was in fact trying to win the game with inferior talent and not having much success.The end of the first half he was trying not to turn the ball over to the best defense and the best 17ing kicker at midfieldas he proved throughout the night to be.
You however, in an effort to justify your own absurd comment, use the 1st half conservative decision in combination with the end of the game to conclude something no reasonable person would.
Thus, without anyone else to freaking pleasure you, you must do so yourself.
I hate grind it out offenses in football. ( I love teams with a power running game, but I prefer they can stretch the field vertically as well.) I hate Princeton-style offenses in basketball. It has nothing to do with my age, but it is simply my preferred style of play in every sport. I like teams that play an up-tempo, brash style of ball, in every sport.I always have, and I always will.
Is there something wrong with liking coaches who are extremely aggressive, think outside the box and aren't afraid to do things in an unconventional manner? If you are going to lose, fine, just make sure that you go all out in the process. I would rather lose by 30 due to turning the ball over on a fake punt or something than lose by 14 but never make a serious attempt to do something different in order to generate a big play.
Don't get me wrong, if we are winning, I don't care how we accomplish it. A win is a win. However, if we aren't winning, and we continue to operate in a three yards and cloud of dust style, then I have a problem. And that is what we have been doing.
It is simply a matter of preference. It had my druthers, and I don't, I would like to see Dan being more innovative/aggressive. And I'm aware we don't have a QB who can consistently throw the ball, WRs who can get open and etc.
Is there something wrong with liking coaches who are extremely aggressive, think outside the box and aren't afraid to do things in an unconventional manner? If you are going to lose, fine, just make sure that you go all out in the process. I would rather lose by 30 due to turning the ball over on a fake punt or something than lose by 14 but never make a serious attempt to do something different in order to generate a big play.
Don't get me wrong, if we are winning, I don't care how we accomplish it. A win is a win. However, if we aren't winning, and we continue to operate in a three yards and cloud of dust style, then I have a problem. And that is what we have been doing.
It is simply a matter of preference. It had my druthers, and I don't, I would like to see Dan being more innovative/aggressive. And I'm aware we don't have a QB who can consistently throw the ball, WRs who can get open and etc.
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Running the option game with Relf would be great if Relf actually ran anymore. The dude's offensively impotent. He can't throw or run anymore. People say: Russell put up good stats, but it was UAB. Well, Relf put up less than impressive stats, and it was the same UAB team Russell destroyed in the second half. At any rate, look how apathetic Relf looked out there. No passion. Zero intensity. The team feels things like that. Look at the change Russell sparked in every one--even the defense's--demeanor.
He and Relf haven`t exactly been MSU`s version of Meyer and Tebow this year. If Relfstarts and doesn`t play far far better than he has at any point thisyear he and Mullen both are going to get booed mercilessly. Mullen get`s paid a **** load of money to get praised and/or booed....Relf doesn`t and deserves better than that. Mullen should start Russell and even if he`s successful get Relf in the game often in some capacity. If Russell fails bring in Relf and throw the whole playbook at them. If Relf starts and fails early it could really be an ugly situation and nobody wins.
We could have 17ing Joe Montana starting, in his prime, and our 17ing offense would suck worse than the Crxxms years. I think both QB's can be productive in our offense, if we call the correct 17ing plays that are catered to each of our QB's and how each one benefits the offense most effectively. 17, the past few weeks have been some of the most horrendous playcalling displays in the last decade, including the Crxxms years. We are a spread team who has been running dives and handoffs that power I teams run. Hardly any veer, mis-direction, motions, and option, when those types of plays were the bread and butter last year.
More blame should be placed on our coaches and playcalling than on players. Relf wasn't happy about the plays called while be was in the game, but some of that is on his inability to make some throws. However, our WR's haven't exactly done a lot to help his confidence. We've had a ton of dropped passes, and if Chris Smith makes that catch inside the 5 in Athens, I don't think we are having this conversation right now. That play not only kills a drive, momentum, and a great chance to go into halftime only down 14-10. It also starts to put doubt into your QB's head. Make that catch and Ralphs confidence grows and who knows what happens.
Ralph has more big game experience and I think that Russell playing so well will light a fire under his *** and he will be a different QB against USC. Last year he always had Russell breathing down his neck pressing for the starting job, so it pushed him to work harder. I'm not saying he hasn't worked hard this year, but we all know how it feels when you are complacent and there is no real threat to you losing your job. I'll leave it at that, but expect the QB situation to only be a positive one for them and this team.
More blame should be placed on our coaches and playcalling than on players. Relf wasn't happy about the plays called while be was in the game, but some of that is on his inability to make some throws. However, our WR's haven't exactly done a lot to help his confidence. We've had a ton of dropped passes, and if Chris Smith makes that catch inside the 5 in Athens, I don't think we are having this conversation right now. That play not only kills a drive, momentum, and a great chance to go into halftime only down 14-10. It also starts to put doubt into your QB's head. Make that catch and Ralphs confidence grows and who knows what happens.
Ralph has more big game experience and I think that Russell playing so well will light a fire under his *** and he will be a different QB against USC. Last year he always had Russell breathing down his neck pressing for the starting job, so it pushed him to work harder. I'm not saying he hasn't worked hard this year, but we all know how it feels when you are complacent and there is no real threat to you losing your job. I'll leave it at that, but expect the QB situation to only be a positive one for them and this team.
the ground first. It depends on field position early on our passing. We surely don't want to throw an interception on our own side of the field . Tyler still might be a little nervous starting a game and it might be better to bring him in after the game gets to going a bit. If we'll blitz this new QB alot early and often and get him pretty shook-up , we just may beat SC .