Look-everyone knows your schtick on here by now. You have decided to take the mantle of the most negative person on this board for some reason and revel in it. So don't pretend that we all don't see what you are doing. The only reason why you care one whit about what Gerry Di Nardo says is that he isn't very high on us.
Williams suspended
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Well I could not disagree more. I honestly don't think, even if it was a WR coach at Iowa, that very many people here would insist on him being fired. I'd say....MAYBE 20%, and that might be high. To many football fans have driven drunk, and or been caught doing it, so there's something relatable about this, and the farther down the food chain the less anyone cares. HC? Maybe another matter, but a WR coach? Who gives a crap.
DiNardo career.
19-25 at Vanderbilt.
32-24-1 at LSU, fired.
8-27 at Indiana, fired.
Beautiful .438 win %, hasn't coached in 12 years and has been wrong on Nebraska just about every year since we've joined this conference.
His opinion means absolutely nothing to me.
19-25 at Vanderbilt.
32-24-1 at LSU, fired.
8-27 at Indiana, fired.
Beautiful .438 win %, hasn't coached in 12 years and has been wrong on Nebraska just about every year since we've joined this conference.
His opinion means absolutely nothing to me.
He'd have been fired after the 1st offense at my job. The only people who stay on the job with multiple DUI's are hourly types and they're not that important anyways
Coach bigtime CFB at a bigtime program is probably, and I'm going out on a limb here, >>>> than your job and harder to find a suitable replacement for.
So, to summarize the thoughts from the faithful here...the penalty imposed on KW is sufficiently harsh because:
- ...of a zero tolerance policy, going forward.
- ...he's a great 'crooter'.
- ...of the opportunity it will afford KW to better himself & educate others. JUST THINK OF ALL THE GOOD IT'S GOING TO DO!!!
- ...we all make mistakes
- ...the Good Lord says "He who has no sin, cast the first stone."
- ...only the administration knows all the details of what REALLY happened.
- ...baggage like this is what it takes to WIN!!!
- ...termination is not written in the 'penal code'.
- ...the impact on the football team should be the primary consideration when deciding punishment
- ...no other program would have dealt with a similar situation any more harshly.
- ...I'm probably just a PSU fan, so my opinion in worthless.
- ...the first 2 DUI's were a long time ago & don't really count anymore.
- ...drinking & driving is overly stigmatized, especially when compared to texting & driving is probably more dangerous & lots of people do that.
- ...just imagine the short leash he's going to be on NOW!!!
- ...he's only a position coach & not even a Coordinator.
- ...Hunter Tefatiller got 3 DUI's in a year & Pelini made him a Captain & put him on scholly!!!
About cover it?
- ...of a zero tolerance policy, going forward.
- ...he's a great 'crooter'.
- ...of the opportunity it will afford KW to better himself & educate others. JUST THINK OF ALL THE GOOD IT'S GOING TO DO!!!
- ...we all make mistakes
- ...the Good Lord says "He who has no sin, cast the first stone."
- ...only the administration knows all the details of what REALLY happened.
- ...baggage like this is what it takes to WIN!!!
- ...termination is not written in the 'penal code'.
- ...the impact on the football team should be the primary consideration when deciding punishment
- ...no other program would have dealt with a similar situation any more harshly.
- ...I'm probably just a PSU fan, so my opinion in worthless.
- ...the first 2 DUI's were a long time ago & don't really count anymore.
- ...drinking & driving is overly stigmatized, especially when compared to texting & driving is probably more dangerous & lots of people do that.
- ...just imagine the short leash he's going to be on NOW!!!
- ...he's only a position coach & not even a Coordinator.
- ...Hunter Tefatiller got 3 DUI's in a year & Pelini made him a Captain & put him on scholly!!!
About cover it?
Yo Beav, sorry we're not outraged enough for you on this subject. If it makes you feel better I could fake some outrage if you think that will make me a better person, but it would be fake.
I guess that covers it. Although I would add one more reason why I am glad Williams wasn't fired: because it seems to annoy you.
No, I'm impressed with your people...
You wouldn't go to many other boards & have people blatantly saying that the guy shouldn't be severely punished or let go, because he's a really good recruiter.
I know Nebraska - dating back to the TO years & prior - has always been accused of putting football ahead of discipline...but I had no idea you guys basically wore that accusation as a badge of honor!
I would be interested in you providing us all with a list of misdemeanor offenses that you think scream out to heaven for the offender to be immediately fired from his/her job.
I think Williams will most likely get jail time for this. I hope he does. What he did was dangerous. But I still do not understand the logic that says it is also now morally required that he also suffer a punishment above and beyond that deemed judicious by the legal system. Please tell me why it is necessary that Williams also lose his job?
Instead of spending 30 minutes on your bullet points, spend five minutes and consider this job-related penalty is just the tip of the iceberg. This is a legal issue for which he will surely be punished severely. So cheer up -- and then go away.
No way he gets jail time. The groundwork for that is already being laid. (It's good that you've taken full advantage of the bump down that a 0.15% (ie, felony) would ordinarily qualify you for.)
But can you imagine the PR explosion of having a coach pictured in a jumpsuit & cuffs roaming your sidelines...These are 'supposed' to be leaders of men, remember...
The logic is that this is his 3rd offense. In his job, he's in a unique position to influence & shape the young men he coaches. So, he should be held to a very high standard. Sometimes, your sin is forgiven, but your still left with the consequences. In this instance, he's clearly being given a slap on the wrist. And, if it has been acknowledged that he was, in fact, drinking with players on the night in question...then the UofN should be flat out ashamed of itself...that is reprehensible, imo.
If the players were of legal age then I see no problem. I am a retired college prof. I often would go out after class with my legal age students to a local pub and continue our class conversations over a drink or two. These aren't little kids. They are adults. I wager a lot of coaches sometimes share a drink with legal age players
But you have an obvious axe to grind and have an agenda. So I am going to ignore you now. Not worth my time.
Exactly, what he did was wrong but you do not help things ruining his career. Maybe he will make this into a positive in the long run
I love Dinardo. Great energy and is absolutely great for BTN..... But those stats are indeed relevant for his pre season analysis of teams haha.
Domestic abuse doesn't even need a conviction to get you fired and a misdemeanor is the same a felony to the average Joe.
He has lauded the last few Nebraska teams as the most talented in the division if I remember correctly. Let's hope like heck he's just clueless and wrong all the time instead of this year's team actually being less talented than those teams.
Correct. But it isn't an automatic firing either. Context and circumstances are everything. And that is the only point I am making to those who are claiming that unless NU fires Williams then something horribly unjust has gone wrong. Maybe he should be fired. I respect the reasoning behind that choice. But maybe, given all the facts, facts to which we are not privy, the point of view that says he should be retained is also respectable. I just hate the kind of inflammatory BS posts where people come on here all sanctimonious and screaming that unless you favor firing this guy you are just a coward who loves football more than the victims of drunk drivers. Things are not always that black and white
And Lawrence Philips was guilty of domestic abuse, yet Osborne let him back on the team after a suspension and treatment.
And I don't care that the average Joe does not know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor. That is why decisions are made by competent authorities and not a neanderthalic mob of self-righteous justice seekers
Well, lets never hear that we do things the right way, or that we do what is best for kids. This is a win at all costs move. The guy had an accident while drunk, was caught doing something that kills 12-16k people a year in america, for the 3rd time. And he likely does it way more often than he is caught. No more excuses about how we get beat 5-9 times a year because we don't cheat. Paying players, hooking them up with escorts would do less damage than allowing this guy to get away with this offense with 2 weeks no pay. HIs punishment is to do less work, but still get paid? And he will get paid thousands of dollars to sit at home and watch the games because he endangered the lives of people on the road.
So let me get this straight... If someone does something against the law, and gets caught, we have to automatically assume that he does it way more often than he is caught? And how often do we get beat 5-9 times a year? And has already been posted, his suspension includes no pay...
I'd say three strikes and you're out... Don't post in this thread again with this garbage...
If you disagree with the punishment, that's fine. I might even be inclined to agree with you. But at least post a cogent argument, not stuff that is assumption or plain stupid.
It is the job of the legal system, not employers, to protect society from people who break the law. To that end, a whole system has been put in place to properly punish such offenders. But now we see once again, in your post, this new extra-legal punishment that you think society must impose on law breakers: they must also lose their jobs. Even though the law does not mandate this, and even though the individuals in question will face punishment requisite to the crime in our legal system, according to you, "doing the right thing", means we must take further punitive actions into our own collective hands, and fire these people from their jobs.
Personally, I find this vindictive, arbitrary, and self-righteous. I also think it is counterproductive on a purely pragmatic level.
So in my opinion, the only reason a person should lose their job for a DUI, assuming they were doing a good job at their place of employment, is if the punishment handed down by the legal system makes it difficult to fulfill one's obligations at work. In some cases I could also see where the nature of the crime would make it impossible to continue. For example, a man convicted of abusing his wife could no longer function as a counselor at a women's shelter and so on.
Please don't give me this "we have to set an example by firing him" nonsense. Where does that kind of vigilante and self righteous nonsense end? If he pays his debt to society through the legal system, and is doing valuable work for the University at a high level of proficiency, and if the nature of his crime does not diminish his effectiveness as a football coach to young adult males, then I do not understand this vindictive mentality of extra legal societal punishment
Please don't give me this "we have to set an example by firing him" nonsense. Where does that kind of vigilante and self righteous nonsense end? If he pays his debt to society through the legal system, and is doing valuable work for the University at a high level of proficiency, and if the nature of his crime does not diminish his effectiveness as a football coach to young adult males, then I do not understand this vindictive mentality of extra legal societal punishment
Pretty freakin' awesome that someone as important and mysterious as you is on the board!
Speak for yourself. As I said earlier, it's not a reason to automatically lose ones job.
Prosecutor would have done the same for anyone because they have a better chance at winning but believe what you want.