Wimsatt HS Reel vs Shepard

[ScarletDave]

Out of curiosity went back and looked at the senior highlights for Gavin and for Shepard. Shepard came in really highly recruited, and between the little we’ve seen of him (basically the Spring game plus a series or 2 vs Wagner), he passed the eye test to me and others (again little evidence and chance for mistakes etc)

So, what I see in their tapes, is Wimsatt is exactly the same as he is now - running designed runs is great, and can throw deep bombs. But there are basically NO “regular” throws. 50% bombs, 50% QB runs for big gains. To me, this says that he is who he is. And makes it even more baffling why the staff did not run more running plays for him.

Shepard on the other hand, to me is what we all want Wimsatt to be - he slings it all over the field, and is quick to tuck it in and run if no one’s open. He also had some big runs and is fast, but the biggest thing I noticed is his head on a swivel - looks at 2-3 WRs. In HS that’s incredible as usually plays are designed to only have 1 WR option.

Take a look and see for yourself:

 

[WhiteBus]

No need to take a look at his HS throws. I have seen plenty of his crappy throws at RU.

 

[Shelby65]

I don’t think hs video clips can demonstrate or suggest Big10 ability, for Shepard or Wimsatt. GW was a 4 star. Nevermind the Big10, he’s the among the lowest rated passers in the country if not the absolute lowest, in his third year in the program.

Think about it….you could put 200 CFB QBs names in a hat, starters and backups, FCS and FBS, and the probability of picking a QB name from the hat who GW is better passer than is very near 0%

 

[Roy_Faulker]

AJ wasn’t highly recruited - Kansas and Vandy were his only other P5 offers. Navy too - so super smart kid.

 

[tico brown]

Out of curiosity went back and looked at the senior highlights for Gavin and for Shepard. Shepard came in really highly recruited, and between the little we’ve seen of him (basically the Spring game plus a series or 2 vs Wagner), he passed the eye test to me and others (again little evidence and chance for mistakes etc)

So, what I see in their tapes, is Wimsatt is exactly the same as he is now - running designed runs is great, and can throw deep bombs. But there are basically NO “regular” throws. 50% bombs, 50% QB runs for big gains. To me, this says that he is who he is. And makes it even more baffling why the staff did not run more running plays for him.

Shepard on the other hand, to me is what we all want Wimsatt to be - he slings it all over the field, and is quick to tuck it in and run if no one’s open. He also had some big runs and is fast, but the biggest thing I noticed is his head on a swivel - looks at 2-3 WRs. In HS that’s incredible as usually plays are designed to only have 1 WR option.

Take a look and see for yourself:

It doesn’t matter since Shepard will never start a game at Rutgers as long as the Schiano eggs remain in the Wimsatt basket. And if does happen, it will be AJ Time.

 

[JC_in128]

Where do you see him looking at 2-3 WR on a pass. I see a whole lot of talent with this kid, and a lot of great skills, but in the entire video, from what I saw, he locked in on the primary every time except for three maybe four throws, that is HS ball. DonT get me wrong, the kid has a whole lot of talent, and can run/throw and looking forward to what he might be able to do. But, that highlight reel, just like most highlight reels, cannot show what a kid can do against a B1G defense, or most P5 defenses. It is not just a different level, but a different four or five levels. I would love to see the kid get a chance, cause he has talent for sure!

 

[newell138]

I really was hoping we would get a chance to see Shepard at least in limited action this year. For whatever reason Schiano is not big on bringing in the backup QB unless the starter gets hurt

 

[Roy_Faulker]

In GWs defense - it’s really first year in the system. And the previous OC from what I understand really didn’t do much by way of talent development - which is a reason why the O is so far behind the D.

Need to have open competition this summer but also need to get older here so the younger guys can mature.

 

[WhiteBus]

I really was hoping we would get a chance to see Shepard at least in limited action this year. For whatever reason Schiano is not big on bringing in the backup QB unless the starter gets hurt

Gavin gets the start of the bowl game. The first 3 and out the rest of the game should be split between Simon and Sheppard. We wasted the second half of this year with Wimsatt

 

[Shelby65]

Bus…no way in hell GW gets benched due to ineffectiveness. It would damage GS’s credibility were a backup to excel. Too much invested in GW to change now and too much credibility risk.

 

[JC_in128]

I don’t think Simon will be on the team for the bowl. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Morrischiano2]

Out of curiosity went back and looked at the senior highlights for Gavin and for Shepard. Shepard came in really highly recruited, and between the little we’ve seen of him (basically the Spring game plus a series or 2 vs Wagner), he passed the eye test to me and others (again little evidence and chance for mistakes etc)

So, what I see in their tapes, is Wimsatt is exactly the same as he is now - running designed runs is great, and can throw deep bombs. But there are basically NO “regular” throws. 50% bombs, 50% QB runs for big gains. To me, this says that he is who he is. And makes it even more baffling why the staff did not run more running plays for him.

Shepard on the other hand, to me is what we all want Wimsatt to be - he slings it all over the field, and is quick to tuck it in and run if no one’s open. He also had some big runs and is fast, but the biggest thing I noticed is his head on a swivel - looks at 2-3 WRs. In HS that’s incredible as usually plays are designed to only have 1 WR option.

Take a look and see for yourself:

He wasn’t heavily recruited. He was a 2 star with no other p5 offers before we quickly flipped him from Old Dominion because we needed a QB in the class.

 

[WhiteBus]

Bus…no way in hell GW gets benched due to ineffectiveness. It would damage GS’s credibility were a backup to excel. Too much invested in GW to change now and too much credibility risk.

So we go down with the ship? Jeez that's a brilliant idea. You probably think Zach Wilson should still start for the Jets. You don't invest anymore in a QB that can't throw accurately at all.

 

[Shelby65]

It’s never that simple, you know that. If it was about performance, Zack Wilson would have been long gone. Why so long with Zack Wilson ? Because such a high pick and so much invested in him they couldn’t admit the epic failure. Then it even became keeping him thru and after Rodgers to save face.

Same idea to a lesser degree with GW. They can’t reverse course without major PR fallout, also keeping in mind his NIL. They even licked his cleats by not recruiting a QB the year after him. They won’t admit the mistake, especially with 4 years left on the contract. No pressure to.

 

[newell138]

Gavin gets the start of the bowl game. The first 3 and out the rest of the game should be split between Simon and Sheppard. We wasted the second half of this year with Wimsatt

If Simon is actually planning to transfer as some have noted, there is no point in playing him. That being said, unless Wimsatt gets hurt no one is playing besides him

 

[tico brown]

I really was hoping we would get a chance to see Shepard at least in limited action this year. For whatever reason Schiano is not big on bringing in the backup QB unless the starter gets hurt

I just hope that Shepard will get a legit chance to win the job this spring. I’m just waiting for him to fall into third in the depth chart behind GW and AJ

 

[WhiteBus]

If Simon is actually planning to transfer as some have noted, there is no point in playing him. That being said, unless Wimsatt gets hurt no one is playing besides him

Then Schiano should move on then. Stupid idea that GW will continue to grow. He is inaccurate, plain and simple.

 

[MADHAT1]

I don’t think Simon will be on the team for the bowl. I hope I am wrong.

Next year he'll probably be somewhere else, but might want to be part of the bowl team and then look for greener pastures because the bench seems to be his future at Rutgers

 

[RUTGERS95]

I don’t think hs video clips can demonstrate or suggest Big10 ability, for Shepard or Wimsatt. GW was a 4 star. Nevermind the Big10, he’s the among the lowest rated passers in the country if not the absolute lowest, in his third year in the program.

Think about it….you could put 200 CFB QBs names in a hat, starters and backups, FCS and FBS, and the probability of picking a QB name from the hat who GW is better passer than is very near 0%

just remember, evalutors fall in love with 'measurables' and 'size' often that doesn't translate

 

[RUTGERS95]

Out of curiosity went back and looked at the senior highlights for Gavin and for Shepard. Shepard came in really highly recruited, and between the little we’ve seen of him (basically the Spring game plus a series or 2 vs Wagner), he passed the eye test to me and others (again little evidence and chance for mistakes etc)

So, what I see in their tapes, is Wimsatt is exactly the same as he is now - running designed runs is great, and can throw deep bombs. But there are basically NO “regular” throws. 50% bombs, 50% QB runs for big gains. To me, this says that he is who he is. And makes it even more baffling why the staff did not run more running plays for him.

Shepard on the other hand, to me is what we all want Wimsatt to be - he slings it all over the field, and is quick to tuck it in and run if no one’s open. He also had some big runs and is fast, but the biggest thing I noticed is his head on a swivel - looks at 2-3 WRs. In HS that’s incredible as usually plays are designed to only have 1 WR option.

Take a look and see for yourself:

I wanted to see Shepard in every game, a series or two. It's criminal the way Greg manages the qbs. It's even more criminal how everyone defends his approach to qbs given his record with them!

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I wanted to see Shepard in every game, a series or two. It's criminal the way Greg manages the qbs. It's even more criminal how everyone defends his approach to qbs given his record with them!

But he didn’t run the QBs this way at all in 1.0. Say what you will about conservative play calling but sticking with Gavin this way is polar opposite to how he managed the QB room the first time around. He had no problem whatsoever changing things up and held everyone on a tight leash. It’s what Shelby said. There’s a PR risk at this point in playing someone over Gavin because of the NIL contract and convincing him to give up his senior year. That has to be the reason. Think about it - Gavin gets hurt (potential concussion protocol) vs Wisconsin. Evan marches us into the end zone. And that’s it? We can’t keep him in for even one more series and let GW rest? What other explanation is there?

The answer is Wimsatt gets the bowl game. In my opinion, barring a stand out performance, a portal player should be brought in and GW should receive a frank conversation explaining that it will be a real QB competition next camp.

 

[newell138]

But he didn’t run the QBs this way at all in 1.0. Say what you will about conservative play calling but sticking with Gavin this way is polar opposite to how he managed the QB room the first time around. He had no problem whatsoever changing things up and held everyone on a tight leash. It’s what Shelby said. There’s a PR risk at this point in playing someone over Gavin because of the NIL contract and convincing him to give up his senior year. That has to be the reason. Think about it - Gavin gets hurt (potential concussion protocol) vs Wisconsin. Evan marches us into the end zone. And that’s it? We can’t keep him in for even one more series and let GW rest? What other explanation is there?

The answer is Wimsatt gets the bowl game. In my opinion, barring a stand out performance, a portal player should be brought in and GW should receive a frank conversation explaining that it will be a real QB competition next camp.

If thats actually true, which I doubt, he shouldn't be coaching. I can't imagine GS doesn't play the person he feels gives him the best chance to win.

 

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#FreeAjaniSheppard

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

If thats actually true, which I doubt, he shouldn't be coaching. I can't imagine GS doesn't play the person he feels gives him the best chance to win.

That’s not always true. There are a lot of variables. A lot of work went into getting Gavin here and convincing him to give up that year (I know it was stated he requested that on his own but I doubt it and even if so - we went along with it). if we kicked him to the curb without going out of our way to develop him we’d have no chance of landing the next kid like him that pops up this way.

Schiano’s justification for the decision would be that we were playing run first anyway and Gavin can run. It’s not entirely untrue. If your only looking to throw 18 times a game and Gavin completes 8 compared to Evan’s 10, maybe the staff values the run more. The problem is it’s very hard to play from behind when you cant throw. Very limiting

 

[newell138]

That’s not always true. There are a lot of variables. A lot of work went into getting Gavin here and convincing him to give up that year (I know it was stated he requested that on his own but I doubt it and even if so - we went along with it). if we kicked him to the curb without going out of our way to develop him we’d have no chance of landing the next kid like him that pops up this way.

Schiano’s justification for the decision would be that we were playing run first anyway and Gavin can run. It’s not entirely untrue. If your only looking to throw 18 times a game and Gavin completes 8 compared to Evan’s 10, maybe the staff values the run more. The problem is it’s very hard to play from behind when you cant throw. Very limiting

also very hard to play with a running QB who barely runs

 

[chase07470]

Why is it seemingly impossible for Rutgers to field a good, functional QB? We have gone through three HC's and five or six starting QB;'s and we're still watching stuff happen out there that makes it almost impossible to win competitive games. Yes, you likely can't win if you turn it over. But you also can't win if half the passes that are thrown to open WR's, are missed. What's the difference?

I don't see what you lose playing a Sheperd. Seems to have great natural run instincts so you probably gain there, It seems impossible he would be more off target. On many throws, GW looks like he has the yips. Its Steve Sax all over again. These are the equivalent of routine groundouts to second base with the throws being sailed all over the place. How do you bet that improves?

GW is clearly a great young man, doing all the leadership, work ethic, focus stuff, exactly how they want it done. So start him but make it known, one or two yip throws out there, you're going to the bullpen. Might actually help the accuracy.

 

[RUTGERS95]

But he didn’t run the QBs this way at all in 1.0. Say what you will about conservative play calling but sticking with Gavin this way is polar opposite to how he managed the QB room the first time around. He had no problem whatsoever changing things up and held everyone on a tight leash. It’s what Shelby said. There’s a PR risk at this point in playing someone over Gavin because of the NIL contract and convincing him to give up his senior year. That has to be the reason. Think about it - Gavin gets hurt (potential concussion protocol) vs Wisconsin. Evan marches us into the end zone. And that’s it? We can’t keep him in for even one more series and let GW rest? What other explanation is there?

The answer is Wimsatt gets the bowl game. In my opinion, barring a stand out performance, a portal player should be brought in and GW should receive a frank conversation explaining that it will be a real QB competition next camp.

solid rationale and agree on v1, I was merely saying he should for development

solid post

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

solid rationale and agree on v1, I was merely saying he should for development

solid post

I agree. But in this particular situation, Greg was in a lose / lose predicament this season based on the decision he made to double down in bringing Gavin in early the way he did in somewhat unprecedented fashion. He’s the head coach and owns that decision for better or worse, but there wasn’t a clear “next right thing” to do in 2023 if GW struggled. After seeing the way 2023 unfolded, the way ahead for 2024 does seem clear to me. Gavin has now been given more than ample time to take the steps he needs to prove he’s a legit D1 QB. His stats clogged in at dead last. There’s no way he should be treated as an incumbent with a leg up towards the starting role next year. I will be very disappointed if that’s the plan.

 

[Shelby65]

I agree. But in this particular situation, Greg was in a lose / lose predicament this season based on the decision he made to double down in bringing Gavin in early the way he did in somewhat unprecedented fashion. He’s the head coach and owns that decision for better or worse, but there wasn’t a clear “next right thing” to do in 2023 if GW struggled. After seeing the way 2023 unfolded, the way ahead for 2024 does seem clear to me. Gavin has now been given more than ample time to take the steps he needs to prove he’s a legit D1 QB. His stats clogged in at dead last. There’s no way he should be treated as an incumbent with a leg up towards the starting role next year. I will be very disappointed if that’s the plan.

Oh, it will be the plan alright.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

It’s never that simple, you know that. If it was about performance, Zack Wilson would have been long gone. Why so long with Zack Wilson ? Because such a high pick and so much invested in him they couldn’t admit the epic failure. Then it even became keeping him thru and after Rodgers to save face.

Same idea to a lesser degree with GW. They can’t reverse course without major PR fallout, also keeping in mind his NIL. They even licked his cleats by not recruiting a QB the year after him. They won’t admit the mistake, especially with 4 years left on the contract. No pressure to.

Zack Wilson was the third QB that the Jets drafted in the 1st round in a little over a decade They cut bait on Sanchez and Darnold fairly quickly.

 

[Shelby65]

Zack Wilson was the third QB that the Jets drafted in the 1st round in a little over a decade They cut bait on Sanchez and Darnold fairly quickly.

In the NFL, cutting losses depends on who drafted the busts, and besides that, they print money and can afford to move on much earlier. But Douglas drafted Wilson and still hasn’t given up on him.

RU can’t afford to fire a coach with 4 years left, so as stated there is no pressure on GS to win. Of course he should not be fired or even on the hot seat, but it’s clearly GWs job for two more years unless he utterly sucks and we become a 2-4 win team again.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

In the NFL, cutting losses depends on who drafted the busts, and besides that, they print money and can afford to move on much earlier. But Douglas drafted Wilson and still hasn’t given up on him.

RU can’t afford to fire a coach with 4 years left, so as stated there is no pressure on GS to win. Of course he should not be fired or even on the hot seat, but it’s clearly GWs job for two more years unless he utterly sucks and we become a 2-4 win team again.

It should not clearly be GW’s job for 2 more years. That ridiculous. If he’s the starting QB by week 4 next season and doesn’t show real improvement in weeks 1-3 Schiano will have a lot to answer to.

But there’s been major progress in the trenches (both sides), our RB room has looked solid and defense solid outside of a couple weak performances. We’re not talking about a program trending on the wrong path. We’re talking about a program moving in the right direction with a lot of things but also stuck in a bad situation at QB, and less than stellar special teams. Schiano may not be a coach of the year candidate, but he also doesn’t deserve to be on anyone’s hot seat list right now. That could change quickly if he continues to roll the dice and fail with Wimsatt. I think Greg has a lot of latitude but another year of Wimsatt ranking as one of the worst QBs in FBS and sticking with it could change things. There’s some coach speak involved here. We’re not going to make a change for the bowl game. So for now Greg needs to continue to speak praise of Gavin. What he does in the off-season may well be a different story.

 

[RUTGERS95]

It should not clearly be GW’s job for 2 more years. That ridiculous. If he’s the starting QB by week 4 next season and doesn’t show real improvement in weeks 1-3 Schiano will have a lot to answer to.

But there’s been major progress in the trenches (both sides), our RB room has looked solid and defense solid outside of a couple weak performances. We’re not talking about a program trending on the wrong path. We’re talking about a program moving in the right direction with a lot of things but also stuck in a bad situation at QB, and less than stellar special teams. Schiano may not be a coach of the year candidate, but he also doesn’t deserve to be on anyone’s hot seat list right now. That could change quickly if he continues to roll the dice and fail with Wimsatt. I think Greg has a lot of latitude but another year of Wimsatt ranking as one of the worst QBs in FBS and sticking with it could change things. There’s some coach speak involved here. We’re not going to make a change for the bowl game. So for now Greg needs to continue to speak praise of Gavin. What he does in the off-season may well be a different story.

I'd argue that if Gav starts next year then Greg will have a lot to answer for. The portal is being filled with qbs, the IU one would be a stud for us, and yet, people seem content to have Gav start next year? If Greg is intent on building a legacy at RU then he needs to move away from Gav now

 

[Shelby65]

It should not clearly be GW’s job for 2 more years. That ridiculous. If he’s the starting QB by week 4 next season and doesn’t show real improvement in weeks 1-3 Schiano will have a lot to answer to.

But there’s been major progress in the trenches (both sides), our RB room has looked solid and defense solid outside of a couple weak performances. We’re not talking about a program trending on the wrong path. We’re talking about a program moving in the right direction with a lot of things but also stuck in a bad situation at QB, and less than stellar special teams. Schiano may not be a coach of the year candidate, but he also doesn’t deserve to be on anyone’s hot seat list right now. That could change quickly if he continues to roll the dice and fail with Wimsatt. I think Greg has a lot of latitude but another year of Wimsatt ranking as one of the worst QBs in FBS and sticking with it could change things. There’s some coach speak involved here. We’re not going to make a change for the bowl game. So for now Greg needs to continue to speak praise of Gavin. What he does in the off-season may well be a different story.

Am not saying it should be, but I am predicting it will be. It’s just how public people tend to be with their big decisions. Admitting mistakes is a sign of weakness, and you only get so many do-overs.

Bringing in a new OC with the same mind set and playbook buys him more time with Wimsatt. That was the PR play.

Same as for ADs and coaches everywhere, selling progress is the goal. Unless we nosedive, he can still sell progress with GW.

A coach who peaks mid contract will be fired long before a coach who peaks near the end. That’s Schiano’s play, and every other new coach who isn’t hired away, which Schiano won’t be. He’s playing contract chess with the QB1 mid-game.

 

[WhiteBus]

A coach who peaks mid contract will be fired long before a coach who peaks near the end. That’s Schiano’s play, and every other new coach who isn’t hired away, which Schiano won’t be. He’s playing contract chess with the QB1 mid-game.

Are you saying that Schiano is intentionally losing games so he won't peak too early???

 

[Shelby65]

Are you saying that Schiano is intentionally losing games so he won't peak too early???

Not Yes and not No, but somewhere in between. His job security, same as everyone else’s hinges on selling progress. And in the middle-third of his contract he can achieve slow progress with an ultra-conservative playbook. The playcalling belies it all. All predictable, vanilla plays after game 8 were already on tape except for the fumble rooski.

From his perspective, what gets him an extension$$$. 4,5,6,7 wins in this part of his contract or 7,6,5,4? He has no reason
to switch QBs now. Once he got to 6 wins, that was enough for his 2023 chapter, same for Hobbs.

He’s crafting his narrative over 6 years to get extended. GW is the vehicle. Starting over with inexperienced QB next year undermines his long term job $$$ interests

 

[WhiteBus]

Not Yes and not No, but somewhere in between. His job security, same as everyone else’s hinges on selling progress. And in the middle-third of his contract he can achieve slow progress with an ultra-conservative playbook. The playcalling belies it all.

From his perspective, what gets him an extension$$$. 4,5,6,7 wins in this part of his contract or 7,6,5,4? He has no reason
to switch QBs now. Once he got to 6 wins, that was enough for his 2024 chapter, same for Hobbs.

He’s crafting his narrative over 6 years to get extended. GW is the vehicle.

You certainly do not know anything about Greg Schiano. Or any head coach for that matter. That is a very stupid, inaccurate comment void of facts and filled with your hatred of the man.
There isn't a coach or player at Rutgers that wants to lose. First we have a racist post this morning and another clown that is trying to say that Schiano is losing games on purpose because it's better for his longevity as a coach. Some of you really need a break from this site!

 

[Shelby65]

You don’t get it. I didn’t say he’s trying to lose. I’m saying he didn’t do enough to actually try to win. There’s a difference, and it’s obvious that slow progress was the agenda. 6 wins.

Oddly enough, Fieldhouse Al said the same thing. Schiano is intent on showing progress rather than trying in earnest to win once he got to 6.

I don’t hate him. I’d do the same thing with that much money at stake. Managing expectations and selling yourself.

You’ll see that I’m right when GW starts two more years getting Schiano his extension via slow progress and only after that does he switch QBs. He absolutely will not risk 3-4 win season the next two years with a new QB (won’t get extended) unless it’s a star portal transfer….no chance. That’s how it works

 

[WhiteBus]

You don’t get it. I didn’t say he’s trying to lose. I’m saying he didn’t do enough to actually try to win. There’s a difference, and it’s obvious that slow progress was the agenda. 6 wins.

Oddly enough, Fieldhouse Al said the same thing. Schiano is intent on showing progress rather than trying in earnest to win once he got to 6.

I don’t hate him. I’d do the same thing with that much money at stake. Managing expectations and selling yourself.

You’ll see that I’m right when GW starts two more years getting Schiano his extension via slow progress and only after that does he switch QBs.

No you are saying he is setting clear win caps per year. He would die to have won 8/9 games this year. You are way off base. And you do hate him if you think he quit after they hit 6 wins. Or playing GW because he knows he sucks. Quit posting this nonsense.

 

[Shelby65]

No you are saying he is setting clear win caps per year. He would die to have won 8/9 games this year. You are way off base. And you do hate him if you think he quit after they hit 6 wins. Or playing GW because he knows he sucks. Quit posting this nonsense.

Ignorance is bliss. You are hopelessly naive.

He knew the last 4 game plans with high school plays would fail but his objective was only to shorten the game, not to pull out all the stops and throw haymakers. Not even 1 punt return. They weren’t all covered.

Do you agree that GS plans everything to the nth degree ? So why don’t you believe he’s planning the next two years to time his extension too ? He has a lot to lose if we regress next year with a new QB.