With the talk of the 'new' NFL QB

[SwingAway]

Being players like Wilson Kaepernick and Griffin evolving the game, does Dak actually have a better shot of NFL success than TR? Obviously passing is still needed (see Tebow) but it seems that the threat of the run is going to be the next phase. Your Brady's Rogers and Brees' will always succeed based on superior decision making poise etc that makes traditional QBs great but what's the thought of Mullens style actually being part of what the new NFL is looking for.

At minimum he should be parroting these announcers to his style QB recruits.

 

[Todd4State]

I've always thought that the NFL preferred traditional QB's because guys that are more mobile tend to run around and in theory "take more hits". NFL teams for whatever reason have always been QB centered and they don't want the star of the team to go down. They want someone like an Elway or a Marino that is going to be the face of the team for fifteen years.

To answer your question- I think it depends on the team and what they want to do. Tyler would be a good fit for someone that runs a system like the Texans. Dak would be good for someone that runs a system like the Redskins.

The Patriots offense is actually based off of Urban Meyer's without the option, which of course is the same as ours.

 

[HotMop]

New? Like Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jim Zorn, Steve Young, Donovan Nabb type new?

 

[missouridawg]

I've always thought that the NFL preferred traditional QB's because guys that are more mobile tend to run around and in theory "take more hits".

I've always thought the NFL wanted traditional QBs, because those with running ability never used it the right way. They'd always fall back to the run, rather than run through the proper progressions (Mike Vick).

 

[SwingAway]

New? Like Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jim Zorn, Steve Young, Donovan Nabb type new?

New like the zone reads, designed runs, etc. The game constantly evolves and with more 'athletes' choosing QB over other positions and other sports I think you are seeing a growing trend. You will always have the elite traditional guys like Luck and others but instead of Blaine Gabbart, Christian Ponder, Leinart, Sanchez, taken early the duel threats will jump them in the draft order.

 

[Todd4State]

That is an issue with some of them too- or one of the knocks on them as well.

I think ideally, they would want someone like an Elway or a Montana that is a pass first guy that looks to pass first, but he's also someone that can scramble and make a play with their legs as well.

 

[operch]

I would bet F Tarkington ran around more yards than any yet still threw the ball.

 

[SwingAway]

That is an issue with some of them too- or one of the knocks on them as well.

I think ideally, they would want someone like an Elway or a Montana that is a pass first guy that looks to pass first, but he's also someone that can scramble and make a play with their legs as well.

Naturally if you have an Elway or Montana available they would be preferable; arguablely the best 2 ever. I'm talking about the mid tier teams, revolving playoff teams if you will. The elite will be in the playoffs 80% (Brady Rogers Peyton Brees) then you have the next tier like Rivers Ryan Schaub etc. The new dual threat style that the smart folks on tv are saying is the new wave will elevate a slightly lesser arm up into the second tier where the lesser arm with no duel threat would be left behind. Allowing more teams that extra wrinkle to compete for a playoff spot, like the Seahawks this year. Who saw that coming?

Just my opinion. Adds more parity in the league.

 

[engie]

Rodgers is about as dual threat as you get though. He doesn't have "designed runs" per say, but he routinely daggers teams with his legs.

I don't think we know enough about Dak to anoint him just yet. We know what Russell is - and that's probably a mid-round draft pick who has the tools to be successful at the next level. Dak may as well...we just don't know yet.

 

[SPMT]

This is nothing new. It's the same thing as Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, and a few others have done. Those guys were pass first but very athletic and could and would scramble for bug yardage but rarely ever had a called run for them.

Elway could scramble his *** off and was a good athlete, much, much different than Marino.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Same as luck, someone said he was traditional. He has nearly the same measurables as newton and ran the same 40 I believe. He's just far more intelligent and had a superior arm. I don't think there's anything traditional about luck.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

guys like elway, rodgers, and luck are absolutely dual threats. they may not be running a lot of read option, but they run/ran ~4.6 40s and can/could absolutely makes plays with their legs. in always cracks me up when people refer to luck as the "non-athletic" QB when he put up measurable numbers (speed, jumping, shuffles, etc) on par with cam newton's numbers from the previous year, who is very much considered "non-traditional".

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

Naturally if you have an Elway or Montana available they would be preferable; arguablely the best 2 ever. I'm talking about the mid tier teams, revolving playoff teams if you will. The elite will be in the playoffs 80% (Brady Rogers Peyton Brees) then you have the next tier like Rivers Ryan Schaub etc. The new dual threat style that the smart folks on tv are saying is the new wave will elevate a slightly lesser arm up into the second tier where the lesser arm with no duel threat would be left behind. Allowing more teams that extra wrinkle to compete for a playoff spot, like the Seahawks this year. Who saw that coming?

Just my opinion. Adds more parity in the league.

well matt ryan has been in the playoffs (well counting this year, will have been in the playoffs) 4 of his 5 seasons in the NFL, so you gotta say he's gonna make the playoffs ~80% of the time too.

 

[Indndawg]

All that's new is NFL QB's running zone read options

Being players like Wilson Kaepernick and Griffin evolving the game, does Dak actually have a better shot of NFL success than TR? Obviously passing is still needed (see Tebow) but it seems that the threat of the run is going to be the next phase. Your Brady's Rogers and Brees' will always succeed based on superior decision making poise etc that makes traditional QBs great but what's the thought of Mullens style actually being part of what the new NFL is looking for.

At minimum he should be parroting these announcers to his style QB recruits.

That's it.

Sir Francis Tarkenton and Rodger the Dodger Staubach are the original-modern running QB's.