WKYT reporting that Dawson won't be back next season

Rhavic

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More issues to work out now. Who in the world are we getting as an OC?
 

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Not surprising to me, some players said the other day that Shannon Dawson's stuff was gone out of the the football offices. I thought Stoops would announce it yesterday on the radio but didn't. Stoops is strongly considering going the non-Air Raid route...
 
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Welp. I can't decide if this is good news or bad news. Leaning toward bad news unless the new offensive coordinator can teach our receivers to catch the ball.
 

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Not surprising to me, some players said the other day that Shannon Dawson's stuff was gone out of the the football offices. I thought Stoops would announce it yesterday on the radio but didn't. Stoops is strongly considering going the non-Air Raid route...
i could care less what our offense is called... as long as we score a lot more than we have been
 

Rhavic

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Not surprising to me, some players said the other day that Shannon Dawson's stuff was gone out of the the football offices. I thought Stoops would announce it yesterday on the radio but didn't. Stoops is strongly considering going the non-Air Raid route...

Thank goodness. I really have no idea who they may go after though.

My pick would be Eddie Gran at Cincy now.

That was a popular name last year.
 

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I don't think Stoops will get one from another major program. So look for a guy who outside the power 5 looking for an upgrade or a guy who was on a staff that was recently let go.
 

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Not surprising to me, some players said the other day that Shannon Dawson's stuff was gone out of the the football offices. I thought Stoops would announce it yesterday on the radio but didn't. Stoops is strongly considering going the non-Air Raid route...
Looks like he decided that 3 yrs ago because that offense is yet to resemble an "Air Raid".
 
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unfortunately for Dawson he walked into a situation that needed him to be a miracle worker...

Hopefully CMS realizes that Dawson wasn't able to succeed because of what he had to work with...

Dawson isn't with out fault, but I don't put it all on him...the entire offensive staff needs to be overhauled...

Stoops needs to knock really knock the next hire out of the ball park...his career may depend on it...
 

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So now everyone gets to wait and see ... including the recruits. Hopefully we get an OC that actually coordinates. Like seeing if the O-line is any good, if the wide receivers will catch across the middle, and if anyone on the staff realizes a tight end can catch a few passes.
Other than that, what a gravy job to have.
 
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Goes perfectly with the thread I posted yesterday. Stoops was involved way too much in the offense and either he fired Dawson because of lack of production or Dawson left because of too much interference from Stoops. Either way I knew it wasn't good by the way my friend told me the players weren't happy with the offense.
 
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It's far from only Dawson's fault (blame lies at the feet of Stoops as well), but Dawson didn't adjust in any game this year to our struggles/what the defense was giving him. I hate the open door that UK has had there of late, but this is a good thing depending on who we get.
 
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I don't blame him for leaving! Who would want a coach constantly shadowing you and keeping you from doing your job! And Air Raid! What a joke! We have not had that since the 90's!

Stoops was far from shadowing Dawson. After the Vandy game Stoops took a more active role in dictating we actually run the ball in,short yardage situations. Go figure..
 
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I honestly couldn't be happier. Thank you baby Jesus. Thank you stoops. Just effing thank you I can now renew my season tickets with hope of a possibly decent team. I've been almost protesting over that he needs to go and that he was one of the main source of our problems that and the horrible management of games by stoops. But this is a monumental step in the right direction. We just gotta be real serious about the next hire. Helleeeeaaaaaaallllluuuuuuujjjaaaaahhhhhhhhhh What a good day you all I seriously couldn't be happier. There were seriously fans acting as if he was doing a good job and I just couldn't believe those people thank you stoops for being on the same page as me just thank you it gives me hope.
 
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In addition to really poor production on the field, Dawson did not help his cause by being a prick to the media. If you are lighting up the scoreboard, you can get away with that, if not, you look like a thin skinned jerk. Even when things are going bad, there is such a thing as professionalism, which you would like the coaches who represent your university to show in public.

Further, just yesterday, Stoops said in the LHL that he wished P. Towles well and that he had the ability to "play on Sunday". Well, why then was he unproductive in his 4th year, and ultimately benched for an unproven freshman, who proved even less productive? And now we don't even have Towles as an option next year, whoever the OC is.
 
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Goes perfectly with the thread I posted yesterday. Stoops was involved way too much in the offense and either he fired Dawson because of lack of production or Dawson left because of too much interference from Stoops. Either way I knew it wasn't good by the way my friend told me the players weren't happy with the offense.
not a bad point, but all reports are that Coach Dawson was under the same type situation at WVU. Part of me wonders if it could be a case of him not really understanding the position and almost expecting the HC to do most of the calling. Since Stoops is more a defense guy, I can see where this would cause trouble.
 

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In addition to really poor production on the field, Dawson did not help his cause by being a prick to the media. If you are lighting up the scoreboard, you can get away with that, if not, you look like a thin skinned jerk. Even when things are going bad, there is such a thing as professionalism, which you would like the coaches who represent your university to show in public.

Further, just yesterday, Stoops said in the LHL that he wished P. Towles well and that he had the ability to "play on Sunday". Well, why then was he unproductive in his 4th year, and ultimately benched for an unproven freshman, who proved even less productive? And now we don't even have Towles as an option next year, whoever the OC is.

Towles wasn't going to get the benefit of doubt from the fans no matter who the offensive coach is next year.
 
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Get rid of that f'd up formation where we had the TE and Fb and RB bunched up near the QB. I hated that formation all year.

Actually that formation was a safety valve for the QB because of the Oline.
 
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In addition to really poor production on the field, Dawson did not help his cause by being a prick to the media. If you are lighting up the scoreboard, you can get away with that, if not, you look like a thin skinned jerk. Even when things are going bad, there is such a thing as professionalism, which you would like the coaches who represent your university to show in public.

Further, just yesterday, Stoops said in the LHL that he wished P. Towles well and that he had the ability to "play on Sunday". Well, why then was he unproductive in his 4th year, and ultimately benched for an unproven freshman, who proved even less productive? And now we don't even have Towles as an option next year, whoever the OC is.
I'm a firm believer that barker is a way better qb going forward.
 

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unfortunately for Dawson he walked into a situation that needed him to be a miracle worker...

Hopefully CMS realizes that Dawson wasn't able to succeed because of what he had to work with...

Dawson isn't with out fault, but I don't put it all on him...the entire offensive staff needs to be overhauled...

Stoops needs to knock really knock the next hire out of the ball park...his career may depend on it...

I just don't agree with the what he had to work with argument. Every one of the rankings for Offensive categories got worse except for this down conversions and we still sucked at that. Fact. All the while we lost one player on offense of consequence and added several pieces while getting a year older and experienced across the board.

All i needed was to see the goal line play calls and 4th and one fly pattern at Vandy to know Dawson wasn't the answer. Loved the explanation that "we decided to take a shot" on the 4th and 1. And that if it had worked he'd have been a genius (which we heard all year). That ranked up there as one of the very worst play calls with regard to game situation that I'd ever seen
 

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I do not know whether or not this is good or bad. I wish Coach Dawson the very best and thank him for his time at Kentucky. I hope that he is replaced by someone with proven experience who will put his mark on our offense. - Our offense needs an identity.

Unlike this staff, I am not all that concerned about a balanced attack as I am about a successful attack. - Just be good at something. Go Cats!!
 

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Actually that formation was a safety valve for the QB because of the Oline.

A lot of Air Raid teams use that set. It's what is used when the offense wants to go power. I've called it a full house set even though it's actually a 3-0 and not a 3-2. Just like the name better I guess. Anyway the set works fine we just way over used it.
 

Snowcats86

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Easily my top pick of realistic choices would be Eddie Gran at UC. He fits everything we need in an experienced offensive coordinator who is not afraid to throw the ball but also use an effective run game. He has almost 30 years of coaching experience including 15 years in the SEC with stops at Auburn, Tennessee and Ole Miss. He set UC's offensive record in 2013 averaging over 470 yards per game. Stoops also would be very fimilar with him as he was the associate head coach, rb coach and special teams coordinator at Florida State from 2010-2012. He currently makes $350,000 at UC ($200k less than Dawson at UK) so UK can easily offer him ~600k. Would be a home run hire!!!
 

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A lot of Air Raid teams use that set. It's what is used when the offense wants to go power. I've called it a full house set even though it's actually a 3-0 and not a 3-2. Just like the name better I guess. Anyway the set works fine we just way over used it.

Did you ever see Mumme run it?
 

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A lot of Air Raid teams use that set. It's what is used when the offense wants to go power. I've called it a full house set even though it's actually a 3-0 and not a 3-2. Just like the name better I guess. Anyway the set works fine we just way over used it.

Yeah but SEC teams figured out that you can load the box and play man to man on the outside guys and blitz like crazy. When you have 1.5 seconds to throw you can't do much.
 

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Not surprising to me, some players said the other day that Shannon Dawson's stuff was gone out of the the football offices. I thought Stoops would announce it yesterday on the radio but didn't. Stoops is strongly considering going the non-Air Raid route...

Considering it? I think he made that decision a long time ago
 

TBCat

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Did you ever see Mumme run it?

No but Sonny Dykes does. I'm sure it was in the play book as Mumme even had option plays that he just didn't call. Mumme had other techniques that he used instead. The 30 set worked early in the year but teams just started scouting it and shut it down. The problem is our offense was just too shallow. We only did one or two things well. Once they were taken away we were done.
 

TBCat

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Yeah but SEC teams figured out that you can load the box and play man to man on the outside guys and blitz like crazy. When you have 1.5 seconds to throw you can't do much.
Agreed that's the problem. The set worked until teams started loading the box. Once they took that away we had nothing to fall back on.