WMD's Armchair QB - Troy Edition (long).....

War Machine Dawg

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1. No way around it, we were flat as hell. You could see it the first drive. We put a ton of emotion into the Auburn game and just weren't up yesterday. We were just going through the motions with no fire. Even the backups looked like they didn't give a damn. As I texted one of my buddies (it was still 23-7 at this point): "We're so flat. I'll just be happy to leave with a W."

2. A win is a win is a win. In years past, we'd have found a way to lose that game, especially when Troy cut it to 2 at 23-21. Instead, we mounted an answering drive, stepped on their throats, and escaped with a W. Nice display of a killer instinct we've lacked over the years, even on a night when we were flat.

3. Troy isn't your average Sun Belt team. They played hard, have a good offense, and put 2-4 players in the NFL pretty much every year. Yeah, we should still handle them, but give them a little credit for being ready to play. They've knocked off some good teams and saw an opportunity to do it aGAIN.

4. Perk is trying his best to prove he can be an every down back who carries the load. His runs on the draw last night were huge.

5. I'll say it for the 18 millionth time: I love Josh Robinson (no homo). He runs angry. I love that in a RB. Give him the ball and get the hell out of the way.

6. Our WRs blow. Where is Morrow? Yet another product of the MState hype machine, apparently.

7. Where were our tight ends? Zero involvement last night. I may have missed one, but I don't remember a single ball thrown to a TE. Hurry back, Malcolm Johnson.

8. Along the same lines: Where were Tubby & Robert Johnson? Those guys have been dynamic for us so far. And RJ has the big frame almost no other WR has for us. Tubby is our most electric player with the ball in his hands. Get them the damn ball and let 'em make plays. But ditch the damn Wildcat and give those snaps to Dak.

9. Darius Slay is a beast. QBs are having to pick their poison with Banks & Slay. Right now, Slay is benefiting from everyone knowing how good JB is and throwing away from him. It'll be interesting to see what teams do in the passing game as Slay's pick count climbs.

10. Nice to see Nickoe finally bring the wood to someone last night. He's been arguably the quietest player on D so far this season. His numbers are good, but almost no big plays or big hits before last night.

11. If we NEVER play that ******** soft zone aGAIN, it'll be too soon. Ditch that **** and get after it. Might as well get ready to ***** next week, though, because you damn well know Wilson will pull it out aGAIN for South Alabama.

12. I expect to see a much better effort Saturday. It won't be the effort we'd get in an SEC game, but I don't think you'll see us come out flat and/or stay flat all night, either.

13. Devon Bell should have been forced to walk back home to Natchez. He finally makes a FG, then misses an XP. Total headcase. Showed how big his leg is on the FG, though. Still, he's likely to cost us a game at some point if we can't get his head screwed on straight. Lack of a kicker is the only real gripe I have with Mullen at this point. No excuse for it in year 4. I'm ready to give one a scholly if I knew it guaranteed dude would be good. Seems like we're stuck with Bell, though.

14. We're going to skulldrag UK and roll into the UTK game at 5-0. Should be hella fun and DWS will be rockin' for that game. Sweet baby Jesus, please let that be a night game.

15. Now, chill the hell out and move on. Every team has at least one or two games like this every season. That doesn't make it who you are.

16. I vote we replace the Black Bearz with the War Hawks. Also, how did EVERYONE miss on Kolton Browning? Dude can ball.

In Mullen We Trust,

WMD
 

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Concerning 15, I wish more people would realize how much we had emotionally invested in the Auburn game. I'm very happy we gutted this one out and can now move on.
 

War Machine Dawg

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No doubt....

One thing The Kang always said was you could really only truly "get up" for 3-4 games a season. If he was correct about that, Auburn was one of those 3-4 games for us. And as I said, you've also always got 1-2 duds in the course of a season, too. Yesterday was one of them. I maintain we finish no worse than 8-4 from what I've seen from us and the rest of the SEC so far. 3rd in the West is ours for the taking.
 

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I thought you were full of **** about Troy and their NFL Players...

but after some research i stand corrected:

[h=2]NFL Players[/h]
Trojans in the NFL
NFL Draft selections
Total selected:34
First picks in draft:0
1st Round:2

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[h=3][edit]Current Players[/h]
[h=3][edit]Former Players[/h]
 

OleYeller

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Good grief, and I wish you people would realize that we shouldn't have to come out sky high to soundly beat teams like troy. All you should have to do is come out with a business like attitude and go to work. You think LSU has come out pumped against any of the competition they have played so far? Or bama? Yet they still soundly whipped those teams
 

Incognegro

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Biggest difference is... we ain't Bama or LSU. The fact that we don't have that intimidation factor hurts us too. Hopefully in due time we'll be able to do the same, but as of now...no... When Bama and LSU were comparable to us talent wise, they had their games like this as well. This is not MSU specific.
 

redbird4state

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I see what you're saying....

Good grief, and I wish you people would realize that we shouldn't have to come out sky high to soundly beat teams like troy. All you should have to do is come out with a business like attitude and go to work. You think LSU has come out pumped against any of the competition they have played so far? Or bama? Yet they still soundly whipped those teams

But that's Bama and LSU
 

OleYeller

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We're not bama or lsu? No **** sherlock. We should be striving to get there though. I don't remember lsu having talent comparable to ours. It sure hasn't shown on the field of play the last 16 years or so. The only time they have had problems with teams like that is when they had poor coaching. If we gonna play with the big boys, then we better learn to act like 'em
 

Incognegro

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*****, I said that we need to get on their level currently before we can do what they're doing dubmass. And the past 16 years? Are you 17ing serious? In 2009, LSU barely beat a 4-8 Louisiana Tech team 24-16, 2008 LSU had to dig deep to beat Troy 40-31...ALL AT HOME. And you remember Alabama in 2007? They lost to a freaking 6-6 ULM team at home too. And that's leaving out the fact that they beat Houston by 6 that same year... And guess who were coaching both teams those years... Miles and Saban.

LSU and Alabama hadn't had talent compared to us now in the past 16 years? Get. The. 17. Out.
 

OleYeller

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Look red, we play in a conference that includes bama and lsu. Not only that, but we play on the side of that conference where we have to play them EVERY year. Mullen is the one that came in here talking championships. We have heard that attitudes have changed around starkpatch. Yet we have people here who are still stuck in the past. We're not gonna win the sec with that kind of attitude. We're certainly not going to win the type of attitude that this team showed saturday night. Now, I realize we don't have the talent that LSU or bama has yet, but we better start getting the kind of attitude that it takes to compete with them. It starts with dominating these kind of teams.
 

OleYeller

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No I'm not spanked. But you certainly have proven your stupidity. Yo've had so much sunshine pumped up your *** over on the sissy board, I bet your face glows like moses coming down from the mount
 

OleYeller

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Yeah, if you notice I didn't bring bama up about the talent thing you slut. Alabama was down when Saban took them over, and Miles? I rest my case with the coach remark, and we still WERE NOT COMPARABLE TO LSU TALENT WISE IN THOSE YEARS. Dumbass
 

Spanky.sixpack

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That's the point you greasy splotch of gonorrheal puss......

Alabama and LSU almost lost to these lollypop teams and they generally had MORE talent than us.
 

Incognegro

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So we aren't currently comparable to a 9-4 (5-3) or a 8-5 (3-5) LSU team when people (not just fans) are saying that we should be able to win 8 to 10 games this season?

And the fact that you are still on the "Miles can't coach" wagon when that possessed mother17er has won a national title and the SEC twice speaks volumes of how much of an idiot you are.
 

OleYeller

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First of all, incoherent, we haven't won that many games yet, ask me again when we do. And yes, I still think he is not that good
 

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6. Our WRs blow. Where is Morrow? Yet another product of the MState hype machine, apparently.

8. Along the same lines: Where were Tubby & Robert Johnson? Those guys have been dynamic for us so far. And RJ has the big frame almost no other WR has for us. Tubby is our most electric player with the ball in his hands. Get them the damn ball and let 'em make plays. But ditch the damn Wildcat and give those snaps to Dak.

10. Nice to see Nickoe finally bring the wood to someone last night. He's been arguably the quietest player on D so far this season. His numbers are good, but almost no big plays or big hits before last night.
6. I agree on Morrow, and I was afraid of this. He's not that difference maker everyone had him labeled to be... at least not yet.

8. Robert Johnson was spotted dropping about a 50+ yard TD. He looks dang good, but apparently that doesn't translate into being a good WR. Tubby should have touched the ball more. He's ever bit as dangerous as Bump or Perkins - he could have done some serious damage last night.

10. He's still not 100%. I'm not sure if he's just not 100% healthy or if he's just out of shape because of the injury... but either way he's a little slow out there. I watched him specifically a few times. I just don't think he's physically in as good of shape as he would have been with a healthy off season.
 

Incognegro

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So first, it was we weren't comparable to them. Now, it's we have to wait and see.... Aight... not only that, but you're even discrediting the 2010 and (I hate to say it...) the 2007. I'll even admit, that just because a team may have more talent most areas, does not mean that they're not comparable.
 

OleYeller

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Alabama did lose to one of them, spankingit in the bathroom, and they did NOT have the talent then. HOWEVER you *** whipe I said UNLESS they had coaching problems, which LSU did and still does.
 

Jockstrap John

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My God. Can we at least give players a year or 2 before declaring them busts? Morrow is a damn redshirt freshman playing in his 3rd game. For the first time in probably EVER, we have DEPTH. I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes players don't start and/or contribute right away. Nothing wrong with it. Just because a player isn't starting as a freshman or sophomore doesn't mean they are a bust
 

War Machine Dawg

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You think LSU has come out pumped against any of the competition they have played so far? Or bama? Yet they still soundly whipped those teams

Considering 2 of Bama's first 3 games were Meechigan and Arkansas, I'd say hell yes they came out pumped to play. Those are the games every person who's ever played or been a fan dreams of playing in.

And trying to compare us to Bama or LSU is laughable. Both of those teams will be in the national title hunt for the 2nd consecutive year and 3 out of the last 4 in Bama's case. We're a program that's improving, but we can't "expect" to destroy anyone but a 1-AA opponent. And once aGAIN, look at my point #3 and 99jc's post. Troy isn't exactly a pushover for anyone. They've got solid talent with a couple of NFL players in most years. When you come out flat aGAINST a team like that, you're damn right you're going to struggle. And as I said above, in a whole lot of years past, we'd have choked and lost that game. Instead, we found a way to grind out a W. For a program that's "learning how to win," that's a positive step.
 

OleYeller

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I said we haven't been comparable to them in talent for the past 16 or 17 years, hell I've lost count. And we probably ain't comparable with them this year either. However, if we DO win 8 or ( games it is gonna hinge on beating the jsus, troys and south alabamas. I don't know what LSU's schedule was back then, but I bet it wasn't that soft. How did we do against LSU in 2007? I don't think we faired too well in 2010 either. Oh wait we only lost 29-7, yeah we were right up there talent wise with them that year.,
 

War Machine Dawg

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My God. Can we at least give players a year or 2 before declaring them busts? Morrow is a damn redshirt freshman playing in his 3rd game. For the first time in probably EVER, we have DEPTH. I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes players don't start and/or contribute right away. Nothing wrong with it. Just because a player isn't starting as a freshman or sophomore doesn't mean they are a bust

He may be a good player....eventually. No one is saying he won't. The point is that EVERYONE who watched us practice - media, fans, players, coaches - all hyped the guy as someone who was going to make a huge, instant impact. And he hasn't done a damn thing but look like larger drop machine, much like the rest of our WRs. Once aGAIN, it appears that those who hyped him didn't know what the hell they were talking about and now we're all disappointed the guy isn't helping the team THIS YEAR.
 

OleYeller

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Good grief, you think they came out pumped against Western Ky? THAT"Sthe point, and I am not comparing us to bama and lsu talent wise, but ATTITUDE wise. And we still should have enough talent to dominate troy without getting pumped up, that's all I'm saying
 

MetEdDawg

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You must not have gotten the memo.

If you are a 4 star and come to MSU and aren't productive in your first two years, you are a bust. At least on this board. Some people on here don't understand that just because you are highly rated doesn't mean you will come in right away and produce. Morrow has SEC speed and is 6' 4'' and has played in 3 total college games. He needs some time to mold into a good WR, but because he was highly rated people on here think he's supposed to come in and be a stud day 1.

Tyler Russell was a bust to many on here because he didn't beat out Relf last year. Now he looks a hell of a lot better and looks like a more polished SEC caliber QB. But he was a 4 star and people expected him to come in and be all world and beat out Relf and when he didn't, he was labeled a bust. People on here need to realize we are a developmental team and most likely always will be. We aren't a talent factory like Bama and LSU who spit out first round draft picks every year. We have to bring in guys, redshirt them, groom them into SEC caliber guys, then rely on them once they've been in the program for three years.
 

OleYeller

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I doubt you could find your *** with both hands, but keep telling yourself this was ok. Hell let's just go ahead and say we had it all planned that way if it makes you feel better. BTW, is that you in the bikini?
 

War Machine Dawg

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So now you got schooled and don't like it. You said "Do you think they [LSU and Bama] came out fired up against any of their opponents so far?" Any means at least one. So I say hell yes Bama came out pumped up for 2 of the first 3, thus disproving your dumbass assertion Bama DIDN'T come out pumped up for a game so far this season. And no, we don't have the talent to "dominate" Troy without being pumped up. Never have. They're a solid program that would probably beat Auburn, Mississippi, and UK this season, especially at home.
 

OleYeller

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OK, I'll give you that about bama, but they didn't against western ky, yet they still dominated them, that was my point. And if we can't dominate troy without getting pumped up, then you can forget about winning 9 games. We weren't focused. Dropping passes like we did has nothing to do with being pumped up. We make those catches, this game ain't close. That is what I am trying to say. Now the defense? That's a different story, I think that is more to do with scheme instead of talent. I guarantee you we are gonna see some offensive lines a lot better then troy's this year. Those 8 or 9 wins are looking a little less likely now. Another thing, I saw NO improvement betwwen the aubarn game and this one. We SHOULD see steady improvement from a young team. That's the point of schedling all these powder puffs. To give them time to mature.
 

Incognegro

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You are one illiterate son of a *****.... I compared our current, 2010 and 2007 teams to the 2008 and 2009 LSU teams. Why the 17 would I compare the 2007 state team with that same year LSU team when they won the damn BCSCG?

Hell, you can look up what their schedule was then, but 17 it... I'll send you the links (don't know how to copy/paste schedules):

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/99/year/2008/lsu-tigers

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/99/year/2009/lsu-tigers

You can see that they played juggernauts such as North Texas, Tulane, Washington and ULL. But 17 it... you've done nothing but prove how much of an idiot you are... continuing arguing with your dumbass is a waste of my time.
 

kired

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Where did I call him a bust? I said "He's not that difference maker everyone had him labeled to be... at least not yet."

Listening to people during last fall & this spring --- you'd think he was going to be a break out player. I never watched him so I have no idea what he's done in practice. I just know he hasn't made an impact like some people claimed he would in year one. I hope he'll be a fine player one day. I just don't think it's going to be this year like others had predicted.

And our depth is not as great as people think. Clark does down and you got two receivers doing everything. Bumphis & Smith had 9 of our 11 receptions and over 90% of the yards.