Wonder if the miners will vote again to put themselves out of work
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Can the miners really believe their lying eyes? What does miner do when Cecil passes around the campaign cup? May need a little more leverage and desire to pass the cup around a few more times. How much is an acceptable "voluntary" contribution? One day, three days, or just round figures of one week? Who can complain about "voluntary" contributions, after all, I am going to vote for Trump?
It was doing so well right up until Obama! :flush: My hometown started the downward slide just like the rest of the coalfields in WV back in the mid 80s. Obama's and Hillary's reach can time travel apparently.
Somebody was talking on Hoppy Kerchival's show yesterday. They were already in the conversation when I turned it on, but it sounded like they were talking about having factories or whatever to build windmills (and maybe solar panels) in WV. I almost couldn't believe what the caller said ... something like "people in WV aren't going to want to see windmills on top of all of the ridges", I guess forgetting or ignoring how many of those ridges don't even exist now because of mountain top removal.
I can't speak for everybody, but I'd rather have a ridge with a windmill than to have the ridge removed altogether.
However, since we have so many of these ridges that are already flattened, it seems like they would make decent places to put windmills.
Leaving aside your points about mountaintop removal, the caller was accurately articulating a widespread attitude. People in Greenbrier County fought tooth and nail to prevent the Beech Ridge-Cold Knob Wind Farm. One note about one of the photos on the page linked below: My dad grew up in Trout. [smoke]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beech_Ridge_Wind_Farm
I can understand opposition in Greenbrier County, if the Wikipedia page is right and you can see it from Watoga and Cranberry. Likewise, I wouldn't want to go to Cooper's Rock and see windmills on the ridge across the valley. However, there are hundreds of other ridges in which they wouldn't be obstructing any popular/pristine views.
There is a big wind farm near my home (laurel mountain) and I don't recall a lot of opposition to it, and the one up around Davis actually has a parking area off the side of the road so people can pull off and look at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Mountain_(West_Virginia)
Like I said, if nothing else, put them on top of the mountains that have already had the tops lopped off.
So, the windmills are "eyesores" but the coal dust, dirty roads and cars, and black soot siding on homes isn't???? Listen, I'm all for jobs in WV. But coal isn't going to be here forever. We DO need to look at other options. If we don't, our state will die a slow painful death. We are already going down the path of heroin addiction, meth, and Mountain Dew mouth.
We are looking at other options. Everything is on the table. Both Hillary and Bernie have both declared they will end coal and natural gas, the two cheapest options at tthis current time. Hillary took back her declaration to put more miners out of work. I for one believe her and I also look forward to IH finding whoever killed Nicole.
When I fly back to Baltimore from Huntington, without fail I remark on how cool the windmills look up around Thomas. Conversely, when I used to fly over coal country from Huntington to Beckley, I would be depressed at the raping I saw of the mountain tops.
Do you think that the wind farms should be treated the same as electrical companies when it come to fines from the killing of birds of prey? Electrical utilities have large fines levied on them and the wind farms are given a pass, for the most part. Govt picking and choosing winners and losers.
The cost of energy is immaterial for a country as wealthy as ours? The coal dust will actually wash off and leave the miner with a fat wallet. Those people in the coal region see those beautiful hills in the winter as the place where coal is stored. In summer, those mines are like having an air conditioned place to work because the temp stays fairly uniform.
For those governments that rely on coal taxes to fund operational budgets, we are going to observe some facilities deteriorization. Public education will be one of the first places to feel the pinch. For those who want the coal industry to give way to another industry......., well, good luck. I have heard of a transformation out of coal for my entire life. Many times I have left my birthplace to find employment. I now leave that to the younger generation.
They weren't given a pass in Cali. I was not far from Tehachapi which is one of the largest wind farms in the country.
To answer your question, I don't think certain types of industry should get a pass, however, fines for birds that fly into a turbine is fvcking retarded.
I think at first the biggest problem was bats. I don't know if that's still the case. (at least with the windfarm around Thomas/Davis)
Electric utility companies have pretty large fines levied against them for electrocuting birds of prey. You can look it up, assine but what would you expect out of our govt. The wind farms were given a pass in some if not most areas. Winners and losers.
People who live around some of the windmills hate the sound they make. Windfarms were given a pass against fines that electric utility companies were not.
Please post a link where Bernie said he wanted to end natural gas.
It's funny that you lump coal in with natural gas when the cheap natural gas is actually responsible for killing coal.
And who in the hell is IH?
Brilliant! Actually, the govt wouldn't treat them the same as the electric utilites cause that would make them lose even more money. Have to support non efficient means of producing electricity. In other wasteful news, the NIH paid 1 million to study whether monkey s could be trained to roll around in a ball on a treadmill. NSF paid 70,000 to study shrimp fighting each other. Said it was a national defense project in case we are ever attacked by shrimp.
Coal is still more effective if you take away the liberal govt interference for no other reason than they hate coal. Treat all forms of energy the same, don't use govt money to support the inefficient ones and I would be fine with it. Stand on your own.
Someone knocked on my door at noon to announce they were going to shut my power down for a while. I told him the games had just started. He said they were going to shut it down. I said I would shoot someone off the pole if my TV went out. He said he would tell the crew boss. Here comes somebody the size of king kong and asks if I was going to shoot someone. I asked how long the power would be off. He said at least two hours. That is the whole ***** game. We are going to shut the power down, now are you threatening to shoot someone - as he reached for my door handle. Asked if he was threatening me - he moved a little closer. Asked him to wait there just a minute. When I returned, he reached for the door, and I reached for the same door and reached to my back pocket with other hand. He backed off and started with all the things he was going to do. I walked out the door kindly asked him to remove himself from my property.
He walked off and I proceeded to kitchen for lunch. When I looked out, both trucks and the crew had departed. I really didn't want to hurt someone just to get to watch a Duke game. My luck, they will be back with reinforcements tomorrow during WV game.
He walked off and I proceeded to kitchen for lunch. When I looked out, both trucks and the crew had departed. I really didn't want to hurt someone just to get to watch a Duke game. My luck, they will be back with reinforcements tomorrow during WV game.
Oil companies make billions in profits but still get government subsidies. So much for "treating all forms of energy the same."
I asked that question in a grad class. One of the mining engineers said they lose so much power to friction that it is cheaper to transport the coal to a plant that is being served. He said transporting over an electrical line is not like running water thru a hose - what goes in one end comes out the other end. He suggested at least half of the electricity would be scrubbed of by transporting to a metro area from WV.
Personally, I want to do away with all forms of govt allowances such as depletion. I don't want govt picking winners and losers. Stand on your own two feet.
It's the whole point: oil companies have been "standing on their own" for more than 100 years, but still get government subsidies. How is that more fair than subsidies for wind energy companies, who aren't yet profitable enough to stand on their own, but will be someday if encouraged and helped to innovate and grow? And if you're "treating all forms of energy the same," why should the oil companies get subsidies and the wind energy companies not?
You didn't read her proposal, did you? MOST of the $30 billion would go to education and infrastructure of regions most affected by this switch to new industries.
It's the whole point of he is defending oil. He clearly isn't. He is saying end subsidies entirely. Stop trying to defend through deflection. Let them all stand on their own and see what shakes out.
Wind farms have a lot of issues.
Take my advice and dont get within a few hundred yards from a windmill during a snow or ice storm. #itsraininghugechardsofice