Word is Lance Pogue has quit at Brandon

[MoronDawg]

Thanks for the heads up about the SoJacks in Brandon. When the pink-haired, Marxist overlords kick me out of this town, I'll know where to find my peeps.

btw, Did ya'll know that, in its heyday, South Jackson had the highest concentration of smart alecks per mile of any neighborhood in the nation?

 

[OG Goat Holder]

btw, Did ya'll know that, in its heyday, South Jackson had the highest concentration of smart alecks per mile of any neighborhood in the nation?

McDowell Road was like A1A in the heyday

 

[615dawg]

Wait there are high schools with coach's shows?

Pancho's Cantina and Grill in downtown Brandon, man!

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

Thanks for the heads up about the SoJacks in Brandon. When the pink-haired, Marxist overlords kick me out of this town, I'll know where to find my peeps.

btw, Did ya'll know that, in its heyday, South Jackson had the highest concentration of smart alecks per mile of any neighborhood in the nation?

I’ll only say this. 15 years ago, Flowood was affluent. Today, Flowood has declined dramatically. It’s not Hinds County, but it will be in less than 10 years. Ridgeland East if you will. If NWR and Brandon public schools crap the bed, the tax base that’s mobile and looking to preserve equity will flee to Madison (it will have problems once County Line is breached), Flora, Gluckstadt, etc. Rankin County will suffer as a result.

 

[AADAWG]

I’ve been around HS football for almost 40 yrs and BHS football since B. Peterson and G. Minshew. This year’s BHS team has played like the poorest coached team I’ve seen in years. It may be in part to the players not executing, but I think it’s more due to how they have been coached this year. Williams didn't win a championship in his 3 tries, but it wasn’t because the players weren’t coached well enough to win it. We ran into teams that could and did win on both sides of the line of scrimmage and exploit Brandon’s weaknesses. I hope E. Clinton can get the team back on track and playing well because as bad as things have been, they are not out of the playoff picture snd have the talent to match up favorably with most of the south 7A teams.

 

[patdog]

I’ve been around HS football for almost 40 yrs and BHS football since B. Peterson and G. Minshew. This year’s BHS team has played like the poorest coached team I’ve seen in years. It may be in part to the players not executing, but I think it’s more due to how they have been coached this year. Williams didn't win a championship in his 3 tries, but it wasn’t because the players weren’t coached well enough to win it. We ran into teams that could and did win on both sides of the line of scrimmage and exploit Brandon’s weaknesses. I hope E. Clinton can get the team back on track and playing well because as bad as things have been, they are not out of the playoff picture snd have the talent to match up favorably with most of the south 7A teams.

It will be interesting. Coast teams seem better this year, and I hope they are cause they’ve been down for so long and there does seem to be any reason for it. But the proof will come in the playoffs. In division 3 Petal looks good now, but they have 2 early losses. And I’m not sold on Oak Grove. Pogue was a square peg in a round hole who tried to undo what Brandon does best. Clinton is very well thought of in Brandon & elsewhere. It’s not out of the realm of possibility he could get them to the finals again. But division 2 is a beast. A good team is going to miss the playoffs. The champion will come from there.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It will be interesting. Coast teams seem better this year, and I hope they are cause they’ve been down for so long and there does seem to be any reason for it. But the proof will come in the playoffs. In division 3 Petal looks good now, but they have 2 early losses. And I’m not sold on Oak Grove. Pogue was a square peg in a round hole who tried to undo what Brandon does best. Clinton is very well thought of in Brandon & elsewhere. It’s not out of the realm of possibility he could get them to the finals again. But division 2 is a beast. A good team is going to miss the playoffs. The champion will come from there.

Tupelo will have a say. Or are you talking south state champion?

 

[patdog]

Tupelo will have a say. Or are you talking south state champion?

Again reading comprehension. Clinton could get them to the finals. The champion will come from division 2 (most likely Tupelo, but could be Oxford or Germantown)

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I’ll only say this. 15 years ago, Flowood was affluent. Today, Flowood has declined dramatically. It’s not Hinds County, but it will be in less than 10 years. Ridgeland East if you will. If NWR and Brandon public schools crap the bed, the tax base that’s mobile and looking to preserve equity will flee to Madison (it will have problems once County Line is breached), Flora, Gluckstadt, etc. Rankin County will suffer as a result.

100%. School choice, being pushed by the governor and key legislators, will hasten the decline, especially for NWR and Germantown.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

100%. School choice, being pushed by the governor and key legislators, will hasten the decline, especially for NWR and Germantown.

Pretty much everywhere else has school choice. I could see how it’s an issue in the Metro though.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Pretty much everywhere else has school choice. I could see how it’s an issue in the Metro though.

To my knowledge, there is no bill yet, so we don't know the details. Yet everyone is pushing it. The "Mississippi Miracle" must not be that much of a miracle after all.

 

[vhdawg]

Pancho's Cantina and Grill in downtown Brandon, man!

I only recognize one Pancho's, the type that has a flag you can raise to get more sopa pillas.

 

[GloryDawg]

Thanks for the heads up about the SoJacks in Brandon. When the pink-haired, Marxist overlords kick me out of this town, I'll know where to find my peeps.

btw, Did ya'll know that, in its heyday, South Jackson had the highest concentration of smart alecks per mile of any neighborhood in the nation?

Probably had just as many El Camino's.

 

[Darryl Steight]

To my knowledge, there is no bill yet, so we don't know the details. Yet everyone is pushing it. The "Mississippi Miracle" must not be that much of a miracle after all.

Just because you've had success - like moving 4th graders up from 49th to 6th or whatever in reading nationally - you don't stop there and say "mission accomplished". You need to keep finding ways to get even better.

A lot of the same people who have helped make the improvements possible are the same ones now supporting school choice. Until proven otherwise, I'll trust their judgment on how to continue to make it better.

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

Just because you've had success - like moving 4th graders up from 49th to 6th or whatever in reading nationally - you don't stop there and say "mission accomplished". You need to keep finding ways to get even better.

A lot of the same people who have helped make the improvements possible are the same ones now supporting school choice. Until proven otherwise, I'll trust their judgment on how to continue to make it better.

You should look at some states who’ve gone down this path. Arizona is a great starting point.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Just because you've had success - like moving 4th graders up from 49th to 6th or whatever in reading nationally - you don't stop there and say "mission accomplished". You need to keep finding ways to get even better.

A lot of the same people who have helped make the improvements possible are the same ones now supporting school choice. Until proven otherwise, I'll trust their judgment on how to continue to make it better.

1. I believe the MS Miracle is smoke and mirrors.
2. There already is school choice, work hard buy a house in a good district or send kids to a private school.
3. What about all over the delta/state where schools are terrible and there is no private option, what’s their choice?
4. in before the

 

[615dawg]

Again reading comprehension. Clinton could get them to the finals. The champion will come from division 2 (most likely Tupelo, but could be Oxford or Germantown)

Slight correction - Tupelo got moved to District 1 this year. They will absolutely destroy whoever District 2 sends them in the first round. Germantown is really the only District 2 team that has the fire power to hang with Tupelo, and that appears it will be the second round matchup instead of third.

South state is wide *** open. Brandon, Petal, Oak Grove, D'iberville, Gulfport or Ocean Springs could win it. NWR or West Harrison can beat any of them - but I don't think they can win South state.

 

[Darryl Steight]

You should look at some states who’ve gone down this path. Arizona is a great starting point.

I'm aware of the pitfalls and Arizona's mistakes. We should learn what to do and not to do from those that are already doing it, I agree.

 

[615dawg]

1. I believe the MS Miracle is smoke and mirrors.

I would not use the term "smoke and mirrors" but there are some concerning things that I have seen.

1. Third grade at a Mississippi public school is worthless. Its all about passing that test now. I do believe reading is key and foundational, but upper elementary teachers are frustrated because 70%+ of kids are behind in math. Most of them catch up, but third grade teachers are just teaching to that gate test.

2. I personally know a dozen families in affluent Madison that have taken their kids out of Madison schools for third grade and sent them to Canton Academy or MRA to avoid the third grade reading gate. This is happening and keeping the scores up.

3. Graduation rate increase is complete BS. Schools are just graduating students no matter what.

All that to say is that I think there has been an increase in test scores, but its not what its being sold as.

 

[PrimeDog]

I’m still trying to figure out where the affluent area of Flowood was 15 years ago that Troy McLure mentioned since there was hardly any residential properties in the city limits back then.

 

[The Peeper]

I’ll only say this. 15 years ago, Flowood was affluent. Today, Flowood has declined dramatically. It’s not Hinds County, but it will be in less than 10 years. Ridgeland East if you will. If NWR and Brandon public schools crap the bed, the tax base that’s mobile and looking to preserve equity will flee to Madison (it will have problems once County Line is breached), Flora, Gluckstadt, etc. Rankin County will suffer as a result.

I still have friends in Rankin from my 20 years of living around 047/Reservoir area. They are fleeing to Pelahatchie area now and the Pelahatchie people want to "Keep Pelahatchie Funky" (like Austin did) and don't like them moving out there.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I’ll only say this. 15 years ago, Flowood was affluent. Today, Flowood has declined dramatically. It’s not Hinds County, but it will be in less than 10 years. Ridgeland East if you will. If NWR and Brandon public schools crap the bed, the tax base that’s mobile and looking to preserve equity will flee to Madison (it will have problems once County Line is breached), Flora, Gluckstadt, etc. Rankin County will suffer as a result.

I’m still trying to figure out where the affluent area of Flowood was 15 years ago that Troy McLure mentioned since there was hardly any residential properties in the city limits back then.

Sounds like to me Flohood should try something different. Didn't have school choice over the last 15 years so can't blame the so-called decline on that.

And from what I understand, you still have to be accepted in the school. If the school is full, they can tell you no. And you also still have to get there, i.e. they ain't changing bus routes.

And also, from what I've seen, if you're looking to get rid of Jacksonites, well, better examine what you're doing now because there's a ton of Hinds County tags in the drop off line at Brandon schools currently.

 

[dorndawg]

1. I believe the MS Miracle is smoke and mirrors.
2. There already is school choice, work hard buy a house in a good district or send kids to a private school.
3. What about all over the delta/state where schools are terrible and there is no private option, what’s their choice?
4. in before the

 

[paindonthurt]

This makes a lot more sense now, because I know a little bit about the players involved.

For a north Mississippi guy, you know a $h1t about a lot of weird things in this state.

 

[FreeDawg]

Wait there are high schools with coach's shows?

Jake Wimberly host it and a restaurant in Brandon.

 

[vhdawg]

Jake Wimberly host it and a restaurant in Brandon.

I used to enjoy Jake's show on Bulldog Sports Radio, where he would constantly remind the listener OF A PODCAST THAT THEY CLICKED PLAY TO LISTEN TO of what show they were listening to and who the guest was like it's drive time radio.

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

I’m still trying to figure out where the affluent area of Flowood was 15 years ago that Troy McLure mentioned since there was hardly any residential properties in the city limits back then.

Dogwood comes to mind as one. There were others. I wouldn’t limit affluence to residences necessarily. Suffice it to say, the shopping, etc. brought in customers on a different level than anywhere in the 150-mile radius (minus Madison County) at the time.

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

Sounds like to me Flohood should try something different. Didn't have school choice over the last 15 years so can't blame the so-called decline on that.

And from what I understand, you still have to be accepted in the school. If the school is full, they can tell you no. And you also still have to get there, i.e. they ain't changing bus routes.

And also, from what I've seen, if you're looking to get rid of Jacksonites, well, better examine what you're doing now because there's a ton of Hinds County tags in the drop off line at Brandon schools currently.

So…I pay taxes in Rankin County for Rankin County schools and those outside my tax district reap the benefits of my tax dollars? Help me understand. Check out what bussing did to Louisville, Kentucky/Jefferson County schools. A+ school students merged with D- school students don’t equal A- school students.

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

I would not use the term "smoke and mirrors" but there are some concerning things that I have seen.

1. Third grade at a Mississippi public school is worthless. Its all about passing that test now. I do believe reading is key and foundational, but upper elementary teachers are frustrated because 70%+ of kids are behind in math. Most of them catch up, but third grade teachers are just teaching to that gate test.

2. I personally know a dozen families in affluent Madison that have taken their kids out of Madison schools for third grade and sent them to Canton Academy or MRA to avoid the third grade reading gate. This is happening and keeping the scores up.

3. Graduation rate increase is complete BS. Schools are just graduating students no matter what.

All that to say is that I think there has been an increase in test scores, but its not what its being sold as.

1) Going all the way back to the mid-80s, 3rd grade Mississippi had the BSAP test (basic skills aptitude) in Mississippi. It was a benchmark. I’m not sure how effective it may have been compared to other states, but it was essentially a literacy test. Nothing more.
2) You’re saying struggling kids are taken out and sent to the Academies, hence driving up public scores? I would think that would only concentrate the public school issue? Are Madison schools impacting the State scores that much?
3) Yes. American high school in general is a complete waste. Send your kids to get a GED in the 8th grade and then online college. By 16, they’ll easily be a collegiate junior and well ahead of where any of us were at that age. High school graduates in many instances can’t read. I hired a Chem E from MS State several years ago that was barely literate. No way he earned it. No way. I was so pissed, I prepared a letter to send to the Dean. My employer stepped in and wouldn’t allow it.

Test scores, like any statistical data point, are “flexible.” 87% of all statistics are made up.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I hired a Chem E from MS State several years ago that was barely literate.

So you hired @Barkman Turner Overdrive? Just kidding

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

So…I pay taxes in Rankin County for Rankin County schools and those outside my tax district reap the benefits of my tax dollars? Help me understand. Check out what bussing did to Louisville, Kentucky/Jefferson County schools. A+ school students merged with D- school students don’t equal A- school students.

Just look at the consolidation of the Cleveland, MS High Schools.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I still have friends in Rankin from my 20 years of living around 047/Reservoir area. They are fleeing to Pelahatchie area now and the Pelahatchie people want to "Keep Pelahatchie Funky" (like Austin did) and don't like them moving out there.

I've continuously lived in Flowood/047 for the last 30 years, no one is fleeing to Pelahatiche (a few to Pisgah, but not in great numbers). However, you can see that Flowood will be on a downward slope (like Ridgeland) in the next 10 years, too many rentals.

 

[HWY51dog]

I watched Tupelo play Hernando Friday. They had the qb back for the first time. The only team in 7A that can beat Tupelo is Tupelo. I was shocked how they acted on and off the field. I lost count of the personnel foul penalties, at least 8 probably 10. Undisciplined and honestly not the Tupelo I remember playing growing up that was respected. I can’t believe the coaches allow it. Even post game trash talk, coming over to the home locker room. Lack of discipline will bite them.

 

[TroyMcClure2025]

Just look at the consolidation of the Cleveland, MS High Schools.

Makes sense to me!*

Mississippi Succeeds Report Card

The Mississippi Statewide Accountability System is a single “A” through “F” school and district accountability system. Grades are based on student achievement, student growth, student participation in testing, and other academic measures.

msrc.mdek12.org

 

[patdog]

I've continuously lived in Flowood/047 for the last 30 years, no one is feeling to Pelahatiche (a few to Pisgah, but not in great numbers). However, you can see that Flowood will be on a downward slope (like Ridgeland) in the next 10 years, too many rentals.

I think Pisgah is the next growth area. But a lot of cookie cutter neighborhoods there. And the commute would be terrible. I’d pass, and I did. But something out along or just off of 43 from Pisgah to Pelahatchie might not be bad.

I watched Tupelo play Hernando Friday. They had the qb back for the first time. The only team in 7A that can be Tupelo is Tupelo. I was shocked how they acted on and off the field. I lost count of the personnel foul penalties, at least 8 probably 10. Undisciplined and honestly not the Tupelo I remember playing growing up that was respected. I can’t believe the coaches allow it. Even post game trash talk, coming over to the home locker room. Lack of discipline will bite them.

wow! I d expect that from some schools. But not from Tupelo.