Is how everyone is telling me just how well our team did. Seriously? Did they not watch how 17ing dumb our offensive playcalling was? And most of them were Auburn fans including ones in my wife's family. I seriously hope Bama beats the living caca out of them in the Iron Bowl so I can comment about some inane positive thing Auburn did.
Worst part about last Saturday's game
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I hope so to, however, I don't think they will. I look for bammer to be in a dog fight. Auburn has improved every week since we played them.
It was a once in a generation opportunity to beat the #1 team in the country, it we couldn't even make a game out of it. That's reality.
It's not Mullen's fault we missed a 23 yard field goal and dropped a touchdown
Sure, blame him for recruiting the two players that did that, but that is just another way to bash Mullen. Realistically, the game should have been at least 20-17 if we make 2 everyday plays. I just don't see how the game Saturday night can add fuel to the Mullen hate train. He put the team in a position to win (or at least make it a game). Players have to finish. Call it a "moral victory" or whatever you want to, but don't act like it's Mullen's fault we only put up 7.
Sure, blame him for recruiting the two players that did that, but that is just another way to bash Mullen. Realistically, the game should have been at least 20-17 if we make 2 everyday plays. I just don't see how the game Saturday night can add fuel to the Mullen hate train. He put the team in a position to win (or at least make it a game). Players have to finish. Call it a "moral victory" or whatever you want to, but don't act like it's Mullen's fault we only put up 7.
Please explain away the sequence leading up to the missed field goal. Looking forward to this.
WTF? Did you even watch the game? It's the same old stuff. Run TR on 3rd down. Run LDP up the middle. You must have forgotten that before State missed the FG, State had 2-1 @ 2. @ the 2! How do you not at least get 1 yard? That's junk.
Then State gets an INT. What happens? 3-n-out. Bama goes down the field and scores right before the half. 10-0. Boom.
Special teams were the worst they've been all season.
20-17 doesn't win the game. Mullen didn't put State in a position to win. He was presented a gift and said no thank you.
Don't blame the special teams coach for the horrible special teams play? How about the punt exchanges in the 2nd quarter that we lost 20/30 yards of field position on a piece?
2nd and a foot inside the Bama 2, and we go Perkins (shouldn't be playing), then two passes? Charles Siddoway scored our only offensive points despite 3 turnovers on the plus side of the field.
2nd and a foot inside the Bama 2, and we go Perkins (shouldn't be playing), then two passes? Charles Siddoway scored our only offensive points despite 3 turnovers on the plus side of the field.
Good grief. This obvious ignoring of Mullen's mistakes is as bad or worse than any Mullen bashing could be.
I have gone on record as saying the playcalling at the goalline was bad. I will not disagree with that at all. Fact of the matter is we still should have had 3 points. Blaming Mullen on a missed field goal is ridiculous. If it had been blocked due to a bad blocking scheme, yes, but not when a kicker just misses a chip shot. I can also see blaming Mullen for leaving Jameon in as the punt returner because Jameon seemed to be shaken after the muff. However, Jameon has been our punt returner ALL SEASON. But to blame Mullen for Jameon muffing the ball and then not catching the other two is ridiculous. Some of you guys blame Mullen for the actual players not making plays. So like I said, Mullen put us in contention in this game. Players have to make plays though. Ours didn't (on offense), Bama's did.
Just like Freeze said after the A&M game, coaches call 60-70 plays a game. Fans aren't going to agree with every single one of the calls, and in hind-sight the coaches will regret some of the calls, too. But if you point out a coach as coaching a bad game based on 5 "bad play calls", you really are being unrealistic.
Just like Freeze said after the A&M game, coaches call 60-70 plays a game. Fans aren't going to agree with every single one of the calls, and in hind-sight the coaches will regret some of the calls, too. But if you point out a coach as coaching a bad game based on 5 "bad play calls", you really are being unrealistic.
Like I just said, I disagreed with it. But guess what, I saw the Steelers do the exact same thing yesterday. If we score on that position, not a word is said about the play calling. But since we didn't, everyone bashes Mullen for it. You know Bama's strength is their D-line, so I'm assuming Mullen tried to surprise them. AGAIN, I DISAGREED WITH THE PLAY SELECTION. But saying Mullen coached a terrible game because of that is over the top.
Horseshit. COLLINS put us in position to have a shot...Not Mullen.
Mullen did a better job than what we've been seeing...but still far from great
I'm just wondering what Mullen did so great to put the team in a position to win. I have nothing.
The score was 20-7. If you give state 17. Might as well give Bama 35 for all their turnovers.
Ignorance is bliss. Mullen is playing checkers while everyone else is playing chess.
I may not agree with the calls. But I can watch game film just like Mullen and say that call ruined the drive. Sadly I see it watching live and Könning can't see it from the pressbox with a TV.
So the head coach gets no credit for the defense playing well? And you also won't give Mullen credit for calling the plays to get us 17 points, which would be tied with LSU for the most points against Bama since the A&M game? You will just take away from Mullen because of his play calling on the goalline? He doesn't even get credit for getting us to the goalline? You don't see the agenda here?
One thing I am dang happy about is the complaining about Collins will stop now. It's just amazing to me that Mullen would have had to upset the number 1 team in the country for some of you guys to give him any credit.
One thing I am dang happy about is the complaining about Collins will stop now. It's just amazing to me that Mullen would have had to upset the number 1 team in the country for some of you guys to give him any credit.
"The score was 20-7. If you give state 17. Might as well give Bama 35 for all their turnovers."
Really? You can't see the difference there? You are an idiot my friend. We dropped a touchdown and missed a 23 yard field goal, but you are blaming the coach for not scoring more points. Bama did not blow 2-3 scoring chances. We forced the turnovers. I bet you aren't blaming Saban for the turnovers are you?
Really? You can't see the difference there? You are an idiot my friend. We dropped a touchdown and missed a 23 yard field goal, but you are blaming the coach for not scoring more points. Bama did not blow 2-3 scoring chances. We forced the turnovers. I bet you aren't blaming Saban for the turnovers are you?
He didn't get us 17 points. No matter how you paint it, we only scored 7 points. And those 7 were luck, because he called a dumbass play that Tyler fumbled and we were lucky enough to have it end up in our lineman's hands after the scrum. This is not going well for you.
We had 4 turnovers, and how many shots downfield did we take after them?? How many shots down field did we take downfield the entire game?? Did I mention Alabam's biggest weakness is their secondary and when teams throw the ball downfield?? But you wanna say it was only the goal line series? Come on, mane
Is it not obvious to you that the part of the team that Mullen is responsible for it the part that is keeping us from winning games. You can almost call the plays before they run it because he is so predictable. Same stupid stuff every game. It is beyond me why he runs perk between the tackles. Only use him on screens or sweeps. Jrob and shump are the only ones that should be running between the tackles. And never ever run Tyler Russell again. Those are the things that kills momentum and stalls drives. We got mullend again. He needs to quit trying to be cute and put the players in a position to use their abilities. We have a all American tackle and center. He should of ran jrob to the left side with a lead blocker 4 times in a row if that's what it took. Or on the 4th try line up in I formation and bootleg out to fullback or tight end. It doesn't take a genius in that situation. I'd been happy with the jump pass if anything else. Damn get it right.
If you don't think Bama turned it on whenever they needed to, U R N Idoit. If you think that the game was ever in doubt in the 2nd half, you are an even bigger fool.
We drop a TD pass with 1:22 left in the 4th qtr. Are you looking for moral victories or what cost us the game?
I don't blame Mullen for the TOs. So what?
ETA: I'm still wondering what Mullen did so great to put the team in a position to win. I have nothing.
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It's not going well for me? What are you talking about? You are so blinded by your hatred of Mullen that you can't even see that he put us in the position for 17 points. No, we only scored 7, but only a fool would blame a missed 23 yarder and a dropped touchdown on the coach. We only scored 7 because our players didn't execute those plays, not because of bad coaching.
They had 4 turnovers, we scored a touchdown on one of them. On their last two we had a true freshman quarterback in the game, and we had two dropped passes on one of the drives, one for a touchdown. So we should have scored on 2 of the 4 turnovers. Of course, though, blame Mullen again for the dropped passes. That makes sense.
They had 4 turnovers, we scored a touchdown on one of them. On their last two we had a true freshman quarterback in the game, and we had two dropped passes on one of the drives, one for a touchdown. So we should have scored on 2 of the 4 turnovers. Of course, though, blame Mullen again for the dropped passes. That makes sense.
I don't hate Mullen. You are forgetting the fact that we never took one deep shot all game, even after 4 turnovers. We had two horrible goal line series. We continued running Perkins even after the 12th time he slipped. We kept sending Jameon back to return punts after 2 years of screw ups, and 4 in THIS game. We still don't have a kicker.
for you to say it was "one bad series" is beyond laughable. Meanwhile Collins overcame defensive mistakes to STILL hold them to FGs, turnovers, and their lowest point total of the year.
I was actually pleased with Mullen compared to the usual ****, but for you to act like he did a hell of a job is ridiculous.
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Way to change the argument. Good for you.
I, as well as most every other person here was hoping we would play Bama competitively. We did, but that's still not good enough. If W's are the only thing that can possibly please you, then you need to switch your fanhood. I am absolutely pleased with the way we played the #1 team in the nation. Better than anyone else other than A&M. If you want to call that a moral victory, go ahead.
And Mullen put us in a position to score 17 on Bama. The fact that you are expecting more is a little ambitious. And I never said Mullen did anything GREAT, I said I don't understand how Saturday's game can add fuel to the fire.
I, as well as most every other person here was hoping we would play Bama competitively. We did, but that's still not good enough. If W's are the only thing that can possibly please you, then you need to switch your fanhood. I am absolutely pleased with the way we played the #1 team in the nation. Better than anyone else other than A&M. If you want to call that a moral victory, go ahead.
And Mullen put us in a position to score 17 on Bama. The fact that you are expecting more is a little ambitious. And I never said Mullen did anything GREAT, I said I don't understand how Saturday's game can add fuel to the fire.
Again, Collins' defense put us in position to score most of those....you said so yourself
I never said he did a hell of a job. I said I didn't understand how he could be bashed for that game. You have even said so yourself that this game brought you back on his side a little bit (I admit it may not have been you that said this, but multiple have).
You are forgetting that after 2 of those turnovers, Damian Williams was the QB. And after 1 of those turnovers we scored (can you seriously fault not going deep in that drive?). What has Jameon done poorly this year in the punt return game that would warrant his removal after muffing 1 punt? The kicking has absolutely nothing to do with his coaching. And everyone has been calling for Sobiesk for a while and he had produced all of his kicks before that one.
I know you want the last word in this conversation, so I will let you enjoy it. I have said my peace, and it is obvious neither of us are willing to give in. Thank you, and have a GREAT day.
You are forgetting that after 2 of those turnovers, Damian Williams was the QB. And after 1 of those turnovers we scored (can you seriously fault not going deep in that drive?). What has Jameon done poorly this year in the punt return game that would warrant his removal after muffing 1 punt? The kicking has absolutely nothing to do with his coaching. And everyone has been calling for Sobiesk for a while and he had produced all of his kicks before that one.
I know you want the last word in this conversation, so I will let you enjoy it. I have said my peace, and it is obvious neither of us are willing to give in. Thank you, and have a GREAT day.
Mullen put us in a position to score 17? Did Mullen catch a pass? How many rushes did Mullen have? Why are you giving Mullen credit? You don't understand my argument. Mullen did nothing. The only points we scored were on a freak play where we could have actually scored no points! If you blame the players, you have to include the coach first and foremost.
Look at what you wrote: "The fact that you are expecting more is a little ambitious." You're wanting 17. What a joke.
Oh, by the way, Mullen didn't miss the FG? Does he coach the FG Kickers? Why can his kickers not make more than 2/5 FGs?
Here's our FG rank (out of 125)
Ah -- so Mullen gets credit for the defense playing well -- but NO fault for HIS special teams being totally horrible? And you are accusing others of having the agenda?
I thought the team was well-prepared and we had a good game plan. Mullen deserves credit for that. The players were put into positions where there were plays that were there to be made, and if we had made them, we had a chance to win. That usually isn't the case for most teams against Bama. It didn't happen, primarily because Alabama is just really reallygood and you have to be almost perfect to beat them and we weren't.
You say this -- yet we wasted almost 20% of our total plays on Russell runs and Perkins fall downs up the middle. While you say you can't beat Bama because we didn't make a few plays -- one can just as easily contend that we didn't beat Bama because we WASTED a ton of plays.
Fact of the matter is -- the argument has NOTHING to do with Alabama. It's got everything to do with the constantly recurring theme that happens every time we have a chance to beat a team with a pulse -- and coached our way out of doing it.
Putting yourself in position to be successful is only applicable if, at some point, you actually break through and become successful. Otherwise it's just window dressing for being better than horrible.
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2nd & 1 from the 2. Get under the center with a big fullback (don't care who), and give the ball to either Robinson or Shumpert behind our LG. If you can't punch it in from there, you don't deserve to win anyway. Quit trying to be so damn cute.
I understand the emotion involved here, but lets apply some data and logic.
LaDarius had 2.5 yards per carry. The best on the team was Robinson's 2.8. On Russell's three called rushing plays (excluding the sack), he got 3.7 yards per carry. Generally speaking, running plays to Russell or LaDarius were just as effective as running plays to anyone else. And you have to call some running plays, even if they aren't particularly successful. I assume you'd agree with that. Our inability to get 3 yards per carry was consistent across all of our backs. If you think that Bama had no role in that, I don't know if there is any point in arguing with you.
One could validly argue is that we should have passed more and rushed less. But we threw 56% of the time until Russell got hurt. We possibly could have thrown a little bit more, but passing over 60% of the time could just as easily be counter-productive. This is hardly an obvious point, however, and its hardly obvious that it would have made a difference.
LaDarius had 2.5 yards per carry. The best on the team was Robinson's 2.8. On Russell's three called rushing plays (excluding the sack), he got 3.7 yards per carry. Generally speaking, running plays to Russell or LaDarius were just as effective as running plays to anyone else. And you have to call some running plays, even if they aren't particularly successful. I assume you'd agree with that. Our inability to get 3 yards per carry was consistent across all of our backs. If you think that Bama had no role in that, I don't know if there is any point in arguing with you.
One could validly argue is that we should have passed more and rushed less. But we threw 56% of the time until Russell got hurt. We possibly could have thrown a little bit more, but passing over 60% of the time could just as easily be counter-productive. This is hardly an obvious point, however, and its hardly obvious that it would have made a difference.