Would you rather?

[QuaoarsKing]

What's really interesting is that even though we had a much worse conference record than them over this last decade, we actually finished ahead of them in the SEC standings 4 times (2000, 2002, 2003, 2007), tied them in 2001, and they finished ahead of us 5 times.

That said, I would easily rather have Ole Miss's decade, even with all the heartbreak. It would be fun to have postseason baseball in Starkville more than twice in 10 years.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

What's really interesting is that even though we had a much worse conference record than them over this last decade, we actually finished ahead of them in the SEC standings 4 times (2000, 2002, 2003, 2007), tied them in 2001, and they finished ahead of us 5 times.

That said, I would easily rather have Ole Miss's decade, even with all the heartbreak. It would be fun to have postseason baseball in Starkville more than twice in 10 years.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

What's really interesting is that even though we had a much worse conference record than them over this last decade, we actually finished ahead of them in the SEC standings 4 times (2000, 2002, 2003, 2007), tied them in 2001, and they finished ahead of us 5 times.

That said, I would easily rather have Ole Miss's decade, even with all the heartbreak. It would be fun to have postseason baseball in Starkville more than twice in 10 years.

 

[TDAWG.sixpack]

I chose the latter. The biggest difference in those two choices is 6 or 7 post season hostings compared to 2 or 3 (not sure). Omaha is nice but if you cant go any farther than 0-2 then you might as well be dominate in your conference.

 

[State82]

I know you can't be serious. Omaha is the "promised land"! Taking all those options over playing in Rosenblatt is ludicrous.

 

[Todd4State]

I don't see much difference between the two. One you have one more SR appearance, but the other has a CWS appearance.

I guess I would have to go with the CWS appearance. But what's not reflected there is our two overall losing seasons.

 

[TDAWG.sixpack]

Thats what I was thinking when I made the choice. I was thinking of the two losing seasons and how other programs have really upgraded their facilities while we sit idol.
I would not give up the CWS appearance for anything, but only five outs is the only difference between this poll being pointless.

 

[Croomp]

I had to choose ours becasue there is too much heartbreak in Ole Miss's situation. I don't think I could bear hosting and losing like that so often in the postseason.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

To look forward from? I'd rather have the SR's.

 

[patdog]

and all of theirs was in the last 6 years of it. So looking at the decade as a whole, it's pretty close, but looking at it today it's not close at all.

 

[Sutterkane]

always take the better national finish.

 

[msudawg12]

that is all

 

[ronartest]

If this same poll were posted on nafoom, I think an unbiased response might be similar to the response on here so far..Although OM's postseason run the last decade has been great, it might be most remembered for their INability to close the deal on any of their chances rather than the body of work they have put together..

 

[DerHntr]

looking at what they have done and the status of their program at this current time I take them.

our downward spiral is disgusting and i sure as hell hope that cohen has started plugging the holes that LT and Polk drilled into it.

 

[AceD3]

If it is all about Omaha and national finish, then you have to take the OM basketball success over MSU this decade. OM, after all, is the only MS team with a Sweet 16.

That's an absurd position, no doubt. Similiarly, you have OM winning an overall SEC title, something MSU hasn't done in any of it's 2010 signees lifetime, winning more SECW titles, winning more regional championships, and dominating the head to head. If you further reduce it to only the past 5 years, the disparity gets even greater.

To shy away from selectively hypocrisy you'd also have to take any OM team that finished a season nationally ranked in football- and there are quite a few of them over the past two decades- over the 98 MSU season in which that did win something in conference (SECW title) but were inferior to the relative national finish of many OM teams.

Since it's all about national finish and all.....

 

[dawgstudent]

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[DawgNDCity]

if we still had Polk. But actually doing some recruiting makes me optimistic about the future of our program. The downward spiral has rebounded off the bottom and is on the way up!

 

[Hanmudog]

The question was about the past decade and baseball accomplishments. He did not say **** about basketball or football. Posts like yours are exactly why we relish watching yet another collapse in Mike Quixote's quest for __aha (since there is no OM in the word anymore).

 

[mstate1977]

I gotta go with us, simply based on the Omaha appearance. A lot of people will ***** about going 0-2 when we were clearly outmatched, but I'm still impressed with the way that team stepped up when it mattered most to get there in the first place. I also like being able to tell all my ole miss friends that we've been to the CWS 3 times since I started school there in '96, 7 times in my lifespan, while they have yet to put in a single appearance in the almost 32 years that I've been alive.

 

[DerHntr]

If it is all about Omaha and national finish, then you have to take the OM basketball success over MSU this decade.</p>

maybe you should realize the thread is about Omaha and national finish for COLLEGE BASEBALL, hence the word Omaha. I realize you have no idea what Omaha is since you haven't been there but you should at least remember all your rebel brethren talking about it ad nauseam the last few weeks.

idiot.

 

[AceD3]

in baseball only, it's irrelevant compared to how you do in conference in the other sports.

That clarifies your position rather nicely...

DerHntr wrote: _________________________________________________

If it is all about Omaha and national finish, then you have to take the OM basketball success over MSU this decade.</p>

maybe you should realize the thread is about Omaha and national finish for COLLEGE BASEBALL, hence the word Omaha. I realize you have no idea what Omaha is since you haven't been there but you should at least remember all your rebel brethren talking about it ad nauseam the last few weeks.

idiot.

 

[Bdog9090]

in baseball only, it's irrelevant compared to how you do in conference in the other sports.

That clarifies your position rather nicely...

DerHntr wrote: _________________________________________________

If it is all about Omaha and national finish, then you have to take the OM basketball success over MSU this decade.</p>

maybe you should realize the thread is about Omaha and national finish for COLLEGE BASEBALL, hence the word Omaha. I realize you have no idea what Omaha is since you haven't been there but you should at least remember all your rebel brethren talking about it ad nauseam the last few weeks.

idiot.

 

[AceD3]

you think MSU has a better baseball program this decade, but has an inferior basketball program to the Rebels.

Can't have one without the other.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[AceD3]

who takes MSU over OM in baseball this decade must take OM over MSU in basketball this decade.

One has been to Omaha, one has not.

One has been to the Sweet 16, one has not.

To say otherwise is stating that national finish matters in baseball but is irrelevant in basketball, that conference standing matters in basketball but is irrlevant in baseball.

I'm sure some of you folks will try the two step, but such a 'debate' cannot be made by anyone logically or objectively.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

If this same poll were posted on nafoom, I think an unbiased response might be similar to the response on here so far..Although OM's postseason run the last decade has been great, it might be most remembered for their INability to close the deal on any of their chances rather than the body of work they have put together..

And it appears to have been deleted. Not sure why.

 

[dawgstudent]

as a whole and not trends or recent success and just simply the numbers:

I would take State in baseball and basketball.

Baseball - almost the same number of regionals and we have made it further. In terms of national scale, CWS = Final Four.
Basketball - we double the number of tournament appearances 6 to 3. I will take State every day and twice on Sunday.

But if you want to look at recent success, trends, etc - I take Ole Miss in baseball and State in basketball.

 

[AceD3]

but you haven't made it as far in basketball. Now all of a sudden number of appearances matter to you, which incidentally is a stat OM leads in. If you wanted to combine the two, you'd have OM making the equivalent of the Elite 8 in baseball(as you make the CWS the Final 4 in yours) a whopping 4 times, which is quadruple the amount of times MSU has.

Or you could go back to the direct comparison, and take in mind that despite making it almost as far 4 times more than the single year MSU went further, OM has won the SEC when MSU hasn't, won the West multiple times and MSU hasn't, won the SECT, and still has more tournament appearances.

As a person you can make up your own mind and feel any damn way you want to about it, you can "BELIEVE" all you want that MSU is better in Tennis and Football while you are at it. The point is that you aren't going to find any objective support for your believe nor any logical way to truly rationalize it.</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

and I even voted for Ole Miss in the poll so you are confusing me with Todd4State. Unlike what you "BELIEVE", we MSU fans are able to have different trains of thought.

Besides winning the national championship in baseball, the CWS is the last level people remember. Besides winning the national championship in basketball, the Final Four is the last level people remember. So considering both sports and number of regional appearances without looking at trends, I would take MSU because we are very close in number of regionals and we double you in NCAA tourney basketball appearances.

I am not really looking for objective support. It's a message board. And you can skew the stats any way you want.

 

[AceD3]

"and I even voted for Ole Miss in the poll so you are confusing me with Todd4State."

Then I really wonder why you are arguing the oppositional position here, unless it is just for the sake of arguing. If you voted OM then you put OM in front in baseball and are wasting keystrokes trying to rationalize otherwise.

As to your 'point', I'm not certain that the CWS is the last level people remember. Unless it is an involved party I highly doubt a fan could list the 8 teams in Omaha from 5 years ago anymore than the 16 who played to go. Likewise, I don't get where you make the distinction in basketball that the Final Four is everything but the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 are nothing, I don't buy that argument. But you are free to express it.

In any case, I won't go any further since you apparently agree with me. If you didn't agree with me I would again point out that Ole Miss has appeared in the Elite 8- by your standards- 4 times the amount of times MSU has, has been to more NCAA tourneys, has won the SEC West twice while MSU hasn't done it once, and has won an overall SEC title, something MSU hasn't accomplished in the lifetime of anyone on next years baseball team.

There's really no comparison. Objectively, anyway

 

[BR549.sixpack]

asdg

 

[dawgstudent]

I just like to <span style="font-weight: bold;">bold</span> words and be all cute with <span style="font-style: italic;">italics.</span>

I am trying to explain to you that if someone took the poll without looking at trends and what teams were involved - dare I say look at it objectively - just looked at the numbers that was presented in the initial question - then I can see how people would vote for State.

The stats you provided made more sense to vote for Ole Miss. And if I had to guess - you are a lawyer the way you twist words.

 

[AceD3]

"I just like to <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">bold</span> words and be all cute with <span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">italics"

Touche.

In any case, at least you are honest. The truth is that they both suck- MSU had a great single year accomplishment but has been decidedly average to below average in baseball, OM has been one of the best teams in the SEC over the past 7 or so years in baseball but can't stop the hand ringing enough to nut up and give itself the chance to actually win a championship. Both cases leave you less than satisfied, but you'd have to be crazy to trade OM's current position and recent history with MSU's. We did just win the SEC after all.

Likewise in basketball, I'd put MSU as one of the top 2-3 programs in the SEC over that time if they could do ANYTHING when it really matters. Of course, you guys won a SEC championship and an SEC tourney so it isn't all bad, all the while OM has been struggling to be average. Both positions leave you less than satisfied, however.

For all my school pride, sometimes I just wish we'd combine university's and kick everybody's *** in every sport for awhile. After a decade or so we could split again and going back to being "almost".

Close on the lawyer bit....maybe I'm just someone with a law degree and a real job..........or maybe not.</span>

 

[patdog]

give me MSU's basketball success and UM's baseball success every day. Sure it sucks to not advance any further than we have, but it's damn nice to win a lot of games and a few SEC/SEC tournament titles along the way.

 

[fishwater99]

AceD3[/b]]Ole Miss has appeared in the Elite 8- by your standards- 4 times the amount of times MSU has, has been to more NCAA tourneys, has won the SEC West twice while MSU hasn't done it once, and has won an overall SEC title, something MSU hasn't accomplished in the lifetime of anyone on next years baseball team.

When did Ole Miss win the SEC Title? Co-Champs maybe and a #3 Seed in the SEC Tourney? Kind of like the Co-West Champs and no SEC Title game in football.

 

[HD6]

dominating the head to head

Where are you getting this from? Since 2000, we're 22-22 against each other, unless I'm just reading something entirely wrong.

 

[BriantheDawg]

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[HD6]

I want the answer to this one.

 

[AceD3]

My "dominating" comment was more along the lines of Ole Miss winning the conference series 6 of the last 7 years, and not having lost the season series vs MSU since 2002.

In any case, the head to head record since 2004 is

2004- 3-1 OM
2005- 4-1 OM
2006- 3-1 OM
2007- 3-2 OM
2008- 2-2
2009- 2-2

Total is 17-9 Ole Miss, winning at almost 65% clip.

Pretty dominate.

 

[fishwater99]

When did Ole Miss win the SEC Title? Co-Champs maybe and a #3 Seed in the SEC Tourney? Kind of like the Co-West Champs and no SEC Title game in football. I bet you don't put Co-Champs on your Banner, to go along with your Mythical National Championships in football.